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Coronavirus in Poland


Atch 17 | 3,429
11 Aug 2020 #2,911
I generally assume that most cases aren't confirmed

They are confirmed. I don't know how they go about it in Poland but in Ireland, the figures released of new cases are those that have been confirmed by lab test. They might not be showing symptoms at all. They usually get tested because they have been a close contact of a confirmed case. I'm sure it's similar in Poland. Tracing is vital if you want to slow the spread.

hospitalized cases I

Though we've had 879 confirmed cases in fourteen days in Ireland, we only have 12 confirmed cases in hospital.

the virus is already weaker than it was in April

That would be great wouldn't it, as you say let's hope for the best.
johnny reb 28 | 5,329
11 Aug 2020 #2,912
I've seen speculation (no hard proof but possible evidence) that the virus is already weaker than it was in April

Where did you see these speculations. (Sources ?)

Russia came out today with the first vaccine in the world.
Putin said his daughter had already been booted up with it as a test guinea pig.
He hasn't got it yet if you can imagine that.
mafketis 24 | 9,387
11 Aug 2020 #2,913
Where did you see these speculations. (Sources ?)

There were reports from Italy which mainstream sources were very quick to try to discount but also there's no place with really large fatalities now... Alex Berenson's twitter feed points out that fatality (and in some cases even hospitalizations) have flattened out in the sunbelt....

Actually daily numbers for Poland today

Fatalities (daily total) 12, age range 56-93, average age 71

Hospitalizations (running total) up 56 to 1985... creeping closer to 2000 again?

Respirators in use, up 3 to 74

Cured (daily total) 273 just a tad less than half the number of newly found cases

Ratio of cured to fatalities (daily) there were 22 times more cured cases than fatalities.

Again fewer tests in the last few days which might explain the lower positive test numbers...
johnny reb 28 | 5,329
11 Aug 2020 #2,914
Wearing a neck gaiter may be worse than no mask at all, researchers find.
jon357 66 | 17,078
11 Aug 2020 #2,915
I don't know how they go about it in Poland

Here there seems to be conflicting information about the number of cases.
mafketis 24 | 9,387
11 Aug 2020 #2,916
Here there seems to be conflicting information

From what different sources?
johnny reb 28 | 5,329
11 Aug 2020 #2,917
Over 63,000 have recovered in Michigan with over 6,000 deaths.
mafketis 24 | 9,387
12 Aug 2020 #2,918
Actual daily numbers for Poland today

Fatalities (daily total) 9, age range 61-86-93, average age 75

Hospitalizations (running total) up 36 to 2021... so we've officially passed my (completely non-scientific) benchmark will two of the next four days stay above that level?

Respirators in use, up 2 to 76

Cured (daily total) 461 just a third less than the number of newly found cases

Ratio of cured to fatalities (daily) there were 51 times more cured cases than fatalities.

Just 24,000 tests done which is down from the 30,000 or so when the daily numbers were higher, again, the number of new cases is a function of how much testing is being done. Humans cannot control the course of a respiratory virus through lock downs or social distancing....
mafketis 24 | 9,387
13 Aug 2020 #2,919
Actual daily numbers for Poland today

Fatalities (daily total) 14, age range 48-96, average age 75

Hospitalizations (running total) up 38 to 2059...

Respirators in use, up 6 to 82, the highest since I began tracking this number? I think so...

Cured (daily total) 350 well less than half the number of newly found cases

Ratio of cured to fatalities (daily) there were 25 times more cured cases than fatalities.
mafketis 24 | 9,387
14 Aug 2020 #2,920
Actual daily numbers for Poland today

Fatalities (daily total) 15, age range 64-90, average age 76

Hospitalizations (running total) down 19 to 2040...

Respirators in use, down 3 to 79

Cured (daily total) 401 a bit less than half the number of newly found cases

Ratio of cured to fatalities (daily) there were 26 times more cured cases than fatalities.

Daily average fatalities for the last 7 days.... 10.1 (exactly the same as the previous week).
Dirk diggler 9 | 4,721
14 Aug 2020 #2,921
So basically covid is a non-issue in Poland...

Meanwhile, the dumbasses in the USA a country with literally 50x the GDP account for something like 25% of the world cases with no end in sight. When Illinois was shut down for 2 1/2 months our daily cases hovered at like 1,200, 1,500, 1,700 etc. Now that we've been reopened 2 1/2 months we have the same amount - slightly less but not much of a difference
PolAmKrakow 1 | 590
15 Aug 2020 #2,922
@Dirk diggler
The problem was and still is that no one ever really shut down completely like was done in Europe. The lockdown wasnt hard and people still traveled and didnt wear masks or social distance. Nothing will change until people just stop being stupid.
Dirk diggler 9 | 4,721
15 Aug 2020 #2,923
At first I thought it was because the blacks and the latinos, who account for the majority of cases at least in our area, since they live in crowded conditions and take public transport more than whites and asians. In Europe though it's similar with some cities/countries being more densly populated than USA.

Also, we did have a shut down - major shut down with basically EVERYTHING except food (drive through only), gas station, and a few truly essential businesses (marijuana dispensaries and liquor stores are considered essential businesses... churches, department stores, etc.). It didn't make a meaningful difference. New cases hovered around 1.5k each day and they're still around that number. Even though we were closed for 2.5 months and that was like 5 months ago it still made no meaningful difference. Everyone still wears masks - you have to when you enter any business. It doesn't matter whether it's a gas station, a Gucci outlet, or whatever. The larger businesses like casinos will scan your body as you walk through.
PolAmKrakow 1 | 590
15 Aug 2020 #2,924
@Dirk diggler
I was in Detroit and a few other Michigan Cities only a few weeks ago. No one social distancing, less than 25% wearing masks. Everyone I speak to in the States telling stories how parties were taking place during lockdown, and how most people were not following the rules. Georgia didnt make it a month, and many other States didnt lock down until it was too late and then opened up too early, Florida and Texas are examples. Now, children in places that are opening schools too soon are getting sick. Lets call a spade a spade, the US pooped the bed when they had a chance to show the world why it is so great. Congress cant do anything right and they cant get money to people who need it but their "break" is more important. The USA in my opinion is looking like a failed experiment and it has truly shown how weak the country really is.
Cargo pants 2 | 865
15 Aug 2020 #2,925
@PolAmKrakow
Are you back in Poland and if you are did you have to quarantine ?I am going there next month.I saw on the Polish site that says that the flights coming from the EU are exempt,as I will be changing flights at Frankfurt or should I bring the Covid test results issued before 72 hours of the arrival?
Spike31 2 | 2,110
15 Aug 2020 #2,926
Is she a virologist?

Dr Theodore Noel explain for less perceptive individuals how the masks work

videos.files.wordpress.com/4egEyh2b/masks-aerosols-dr-ted-noel_dvd.mp4
Spike31 2 | 2,110
15 Aug 2020 #2,927
Germany. Chinese flu cases vs common flu cases

I know that no amount of data will convince coronacult followers but I only want to reach intelligent and logical thinking individuals.



mafketis 24 | 9,387
15 Aug 2020 #2,928
Actual daily numbers for Poland today

Fatalities (daily total) 11, age range 37-97, average age 72

Hospitalizations (running total) down 12 to 2028...

Respirators in use, up 5 to 84

Cured (daily total) 491two thirds the number of newly found cases

Ratio of cured to fatalities (daily) there were 44 times more cured cases than fatalities.

no amount of data will convince

Aren't the graphs measuring different things? You're measuring the numbers of confirmed/known cases of the flu (when no special measures are taken) vs this virus where lots of special measures have been taken...

Also lots of people get the flu and never see a doctor even though they have pretty bad symptoms (I remember when I had a very nasty flu and never got near a doctor cause I had no health insurance).

I can agree that it's folly to think that the virus can be contained through lock downs and agree on the need to get economies and institutional life back up to speed but this wasn't just the flu in lots of ways (first and foremost since it was born in China where nothing the government says can be trusted nowhere else in the world had any idea of what to expect and so caution was called for... now? not so much).
PolAmKrakow 1 | 590
16 Aug 2020 #2,929
@Cargo pants
Yes. Back in Krakow. No quarantine. Poland just eliminated all direct flights from USA last Thursday. I had no problem in Amsterdam and a client had no problem in Frankfurt last week.
Tacitus 2 | 1,237
16 Aug 2020 #2,930
According to this article, there has been a notable increase in corona-cases during thr last day on Poland? Can someone verify that?

theguardian.com/world/2020/aug/16/workers-cancel-family-trips-home-amid-fears-poland-is-next-on-quarantine-list
Atch 17 | 3,429
16 Aug 2020 #2,931
It's been happening over the last couple of weeks, more cases than ever.







mafketis 24 | 9,387
16 Aug 2020 #2,932
a notable increase in corona-cases during thr last day on Poland?

Partly that's due to increased testing. The more important (IMO) metric of hospitalizations has also increased from around 1700 to just over 2000 but seems to be stalling out now...
Spike31 2 | 2,110
16 Aug 2020 #2,933
Partly that's due to increased testing

Not partly but completely. Test more people and you'll get more positive results from those who have no symptoms and no side effects but have virus antibodies in their system. They are called "asymptomatic coronavirus carriers".

In Soviet Russia they had "asymptomatic schizophrenia" which was a pseudoscientific tool of repression used to lock up anti-communist political prisoners in psychiatric hospitals. It's just too funny how the history repeats itself as a grotesque...

"Dutch government will not advise public to wear masks. The decision was announced by Minister for Medical Care Tamara van Ark after a review by the country's National Institute for Health"

uk.reuters.com/article/uk-health-coronavirus-netherlands/dutch-government-will-not-advise-public-to-wear-masks-minister-idUKKCN24U2YT
mafketis 24 | 9,387
16 Aug 2020 #2,934
Daily numbers for Poland

Fatalities (daily total) 8, age range 37-83, average age 59 (way younger than normal, let's hope that's a fluke

Hospitalizations (running total) up 7 to 2035...

Respirators in use, down 3 to 81

Cured (daily total) 277 back to less than half the number of new cases...

Ratio of cured to fatalities (daily) there were 34 times more cured cases than fatalities.

And I'll link again to this site, which will have something to bother everyone....

swprs.org/a-swiss-doctor-on-covid-19/#latest
mafketis 24 | 9,387
17 Aug 2020 #2,935
Daily numbers for Poland

Fatalities (daily total) 8, age range 29-86, average age 68 still younger than avera... (is 29 the youngest fatality so far?)

Hospitalizations (running total) up 5 to 2040...

Respirators in use, up 2 to 83

Cured (daily total) 229 back to less than half the number of new cases...

Ratio of cured to fatalities (daily) there were 28 times more cured cases than fatalities.
mafketis 24 | 9,387
18 Aug 2020 #2,936
Daily numbers for Poland

Fatalities (daily total) 11, age range 65-86, average age 75

Hospitalizations (running total) up 17 to 2057...

Respirators in use, down 1 to 82

Cured (daily total) 284 a bit less than half the number of new cases...

Ratio of cured to fatalities (daily) there were 25 times more cured cases than fatalities.
Vesko Vukovic 1 | 213
18 Aug 2020 #2,937
youtu.be/t2vqjBtnltI

RUSSIAN INTEL OFFICER: Depopulation agenda is real
Spike31 2 | 2,110
18 Aug 2020 #2,938
Good news everyone. Minister Lukasz Szumowski, a face of corona-hysteria in Poland was dismissed ("has resigned") from his post earlier today, just a few days after he introduced sharper restrictions.

This clearly marks a change of course when it comes to Chinese flu measures.
pawian 176 | 14,299
18 Aug 2020 #2,939
Quite a rational decision although it reminds of rat`s behaviour - he has abandoned the ship just before the disaster: in autumn, when millions of common cold and flue patients are treated as potential covid bearers, the med care system will be totally clogged. He wants to avoid being mixed up in it.

How do you know he was dismissed??? TTBofMK, KaczyƄski was intent on defending him like communism in 1980s.
Spike31 2 | 2,110
18 Aug 2020 #2,940
Quite a rational decision

Rational decision, but not in a sense you described it.

A real disaster wasn't a "deadly corona pandemic" and its mythical second wave of chinse flu but the way this common infection was handled and the official propaganda which stood behind it.


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