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Coronavirus in Poland


johnny reb 27 | 4,569
4 Aug 2020 #2,821
Warsaw Poland population 1.79 million
Wayne County Michigan population 1.75 million
Hamtramck (home of the Am - Polish) is included in Wayne County

clickondetroit.com/news/local/2020/04/04/wayne-county-covid-19-data-tracking-cases-deaths/

While Wayne county (Detroit Michigan) has about the same population of Warsaw the statics are surprising.
Wayne County has had 24,000 cases while the whole country of Poland has twice as many at 47,000 cases.
Wayne County has 2700 deaths while the whole country of Poland only has about half that many at 1700 deaths.
pawian 173 | 12,565
4 Aug 2020 #2,822
Don`t forget PiS statistics are said to be unreliable - they have always been accused of falsifying them, since the very beginning. The amount of fatal cases is twice as much in reality - I read and quoted articles in April/ May that covid-induced deaths were counted as other diseases.
Atch 17 | 3,264
4 Aug 2020 #2,823
Also countries have different ways of counting deaths. Some countries count all deaths regardless of the setting they occur in, whilst some countries only count deaths in hospitals. Some countries don't count deaths that occur from for example a stroke, as a result of clots formed in a coronavirus patient (clotting is a major complication apparently). They count it as death from a stroke.
pawian 173 | 12,565
4 Aug 2020 #2,824
Those stroke death might also be a case in Poland. Might, but of course I am not certain coz we would need to ask doctors who are in the midst of it. But doctors who speak to journalists anonymously say that the counting system is not reliable.
mafketis 24 | 8,706
4 Aug 2020 #2,825
PiS statistics are said to be unreliable - they have always been accused of falsifying them

I'm able to believe that, but I need evidence which no one has yet supplied.

Some countries count all deaths regardless of the setting they occur in

There has definitely been overcounting in the US, where a gunshot victim was recorded as a covid death because he had earlier tested positive....

I read and quoted articles in April/ May that covid-induced deaths were counted as other disease

Again is there real evidence? And remember wide scale falsification would be necessary and would require active cooperation from medical professionals who mostly hate PiS...

What about overall death rates for may june july 2019/2020 has their been an excess this year?
Atch 17 | 3,264
4 Aug 2020 #2,826
the counting system is not reliable.

I think it's very dodgy. It simply doesn't make sense.

Ireland - population 5 million, number of cases 26,253, deaths 1,763
Poland - population 38 million, number of cases 48,149, deaths 1,738

So Poland with a population eight times the size of Ireland has fewer deaths??? And if you look at the proportion of deaths to confirmed cases, Poland's figures also seem too good to be true. The demographic of the two countries is not that different in terms of seniors. Granted, the nursing home clusters in Ireland played a more significant part in our death rate than in Poland's, but it doesn't explain such a huge difference. Are we really to believe that Poland did a significantly better job of curing its patients than other European countries?? Poland's true figures are probably closer to that of Germany.
mafketis 24 | 8,706
4 Aug 2020 #2,827
but it doesn't explain such a huge difference

Engineered virus that is especially virulent in ethno-racially mixed environments? (just a theory, but there's some correlation and it's hardly the weirdest theory out there).

Where do Irish care home employees come from are they Irish or imported from places like Poland and the Phillipines?
pawian 173 | 12,565
4 Aug 2020 #2,828
Poland's figures also seem too good to be true.

Yes.
Now, the only question is: can be entirely blame PiS for this or another government, the opposition or whatever, would also flunk the job in the same way?
mafketis 24 | 8,706
4 Aug 2020 #2,829
Yes.
Now, the only question is: can be entirely blame PiS for this

Y'all are starting to sound like the Smolensk crowd.... get a grip.

I'm sure journalists from Polityka or Newsweek would be on it (or are digging as we speak) when they uncover a smoking gun or two we can talk about it.
Atch 17 | 3,264
4 Aug 2020 #2,830
Where do Irish care home employees come from are they Irish or imported

Most of them are Irish, especially outside Dublin but there are certainly foreign nationals too. More likely to be from EU countries though, the Eastern European countries, not the Phillipines, because of work permit issues.
pawian 173 | 12,565
4 Aug 2020 #2,831
like the Smolensk crowd.... get a grip.

No, it is called SmoleĊ„sk folk. :)
cms neuf - | 1,737
4 Aug 2020 #2,832
They seem to good to be true but all of our neighbors have similar low rates - Hungary, Czech, Lithuania, Slovakia - they can't all be in a coordinated cover up
mafketis 24 | 8,706
4 Aug 2020 #2,833
all of our neighbors have similar low rates

For a very long time I've been thinking there's a big genetic element to this.... given the very weird differential fatality rates. I get the idea it's engineered to target something, I'm just no sure what.... What do the countries with high totals have in common that's missing in Poland and Slovakia?
Dirk diggler 9 | 4,573
4 Aug 2020 #2,834
Polish people are germaphobes and care about cleanliness, hygiene, health, etc. a lot more than others. Also, you don't have a dozen filthy turd worlders sharing a 1 bedroom flat like in Germanistan or Italy which further spreads covid. In Chicago, one of the hardest hit cities, the majority of cases are blacks despite them being a minority. Well, it's no wonder - it's the same thing with the turd worlders in Europe. It's the same kind of mentality and way of living, there's no difference. Their living spaces are rented or paid for by the government so they keep them filthy since it's owned by 'sum crackaz' anyway so they don't care for it at all - not even enough to wipe the countertops or the inside of the fridge... there is trash all over the street and even in their homes spilling out of the garbage, they live like 10 people to an apartment, they let dishes pile up to the ceiling with flies swarming all around, random people coming in and out constantly... Instead of spending $20 on paper towels and cleaning sprays they'll spend $200 on a pair of jeans... and then they talk about "racial disparities" rofl...

Here's an example of Chicago's finest partying during covid -

kron4.com/news/national/viral-video-shows-large-house-party-in-chicago-amid-coronavirus-pandemic/
thesun.co.uk/news/11486159/video-shows-massive-chicago-houseparty-lockdown/

Man that's a lot of dindus... now if just 1 person had covid look how many people were exposed to it... then those people go to another filthy place stuffed with people and spread it further, and on and on...

You'd never see Polish people doing something like this.
pawian 173 | 12,565
4 Aug 2020 #2,835
You should see pics from Polish seaside: :)



Dirk diggler 9 | 4,573
4 Aug 2020 #2,836
That's outdoors on a beach, not cramped like sardines inside a home constantly. Totally different.
pawian 173 | 12,565
4 Aug 2020 #2,837
OK, you can be right, provided they are outside. But after leaving the beach, those holidaymakers walk the narrow streets and enter local shops and other facilities. It is reported that seldom do they wear masks.
Spike31 3 | 1,813
4 Aug 2020 #2,839
Swedish companies reap the benefits of the country's Covid-19 approach

ft.com/content/f7be28a0-ba3c-49d2-ab0c-09c932f32901

And yes, abbot @mafketis, that was my another lucky guess from an early stages of corona-paranoia. Maybe I should start playing lotto instead of wasting those lucky shots on the [dust] masked crowd?

And just like Italy, there are probably many more than officially recorded.

Of course, and many more symptomless cases of a "deadly virus". All in all, it has a mortality rate similar to the common flu. And we will have to live with it just like with influenza.
Bratwurst Boy 6 | 10,423
4 Aug 2020 #2,840
I don't think so....most people survive a flu just fine. An the flu has been around for millennia already.

But in the case of Covid-19 people just are about to find out that the longterm complications are much more desastrous to the whole body....to the brain, to the heart, to the blood vessels etc...and that is only the beginning. Even those that survive an infection will suffer most likely difficult health problems in the future, maybe chronic, maybe even life shortening. You should try to keep up with the scientists!

Just because Covid-19 isn't long enough "out" yet to get the whole statistic numbers doesn't mean you should take it lightly or advise others to ignore the danger...how you will define the mortality rate of Covid-19 if people die a year or so later because of consequential complications? Of if their life quality is destroyed but they are still alive?

It's not just like the flu! That looks like a cake walk compared to that. Better now safe than later very sorry!
Spike31 3 | 1,813
4 Aug 2020 #2,841
@Bratwurst Boy

Actually, there are around 290 000 to 650 000 global influenza-related respiratory deaths each year according to WHO.

who.int/influenza/Global_Influenza_Strategy_2019_2030_Summary_English.pdf?ua=1

But that doesn't sell well in the media since common flu is known since, at least, Roman times. People got used to it and the media need something new, something exciting to manipulate the masses.

And politicians couldn't waste such a great opportunity to keep people under control either.

It just doesn't cease to amaze me how silly and short-sighted, and prone to manipulation people are. That's one of the main arguments against democracy in my book: dummies will always out-vote smart minority.
Bratwurst Boy 6 | 10,423
4 Aug 2020 #2,842
Well..."short sighted" would be to ignore a new possible danger just because it hasn't killed enough people YET! Or to compare it to another deadly old danger which has killed many more YET!

One can take precautions against both, thank you!

If that means I'm easy to manipulate then so be it, I guess...but I don't want to come to regret my decisions later.

And what would you do in an autocracy/kingdom if your ruler demands from you to take precautions? Why would that be better than a democracy?
Spike31 3 | 1,813
5 Aug 2020 #2,843
@Bratwurst Boy

Don't get me wrong. I believe in personal freedom.

If some scared/confused individuals bombarded with "news" by media outlets decide to wear a dust masks on their faces that's their personal choice. If they want to keep a "social distance" with their family and friends they are free to do so.

What I'm protesting against is making it mandatory and enforcing everyone to wear it. I refuse to do so, and I will not put a dust mask on my face as simple as that.

Also, I have to add that I'm surprised and mildly impressed with Germans protesting against lockdown.

"Coronavirus: Thousands protest in Germany against restrictions"

bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-53622797
Bratwurst Boy 6 | 10,423
5 Aug 2020 #2,844
I refuse to do so, and I will not put a dust mask on my face as simple as that.

But if you get infected it would be nice if you don't become an "spreader" to others, right? Could you agree with that?

Also, I have to add that I'm surprised and mildly impressed with Germans protesting against lockdown.

Yeah...me too....last saturday made quite the waves in Germany....nobody really believed it would be that many!
johnny reb 27 | 4,569
5 Aug 2020 #2,845
Thirteen Nuns from one convent in Detroit have died from the virus.
msn.com/en-us/news/us/covid-19-is-ravaging-a-michigan-convent-13-nuns-have-died/ar-BB17xqJH
Spike31 3 | 1,813
5 Aug 2020 #2,846
But if you get infected it would be nice if you don't become an "spreader" to others, right?

Who said I didn't get infected, and cured, already without even knowing it? Just like with influenza many people are carriers, out of those many a few get sick and even fewer of them suffer severe symptoms and may even die. Should we all wear muzzles on our faces and keep a 2 meter distance from each other for the rest of our lives because of that?

Another question, this time about the miraculous vaccine: how come we didn't get rid of Influenza yet? Because a common flu virus is mutating and the vaccination only last for one season.

Coronavirus is slowly mutating* as well. Imagine keeping the masses in fear by mass media and politicians and then selling them a vaccines - and concessions - for every season (basically on a subscription basis). Or, once we reach a certain fear threshold in the society, even making it mandatory and forcing everyone to take it for the greater good.

A golden business opportunity and a perfect social order at the same time.

Sounds impossible? For a persona born and raised in DDR no dystopian scenario should sound impossible :-)

sciencenews.org/article/coronavirus-covid19-mutations-strains-variants
mafketis 24 | 8,706
5 Aug 2020 #2,847
see pics from Polish seaside:

Pictures from that angle can't be trusted as they can make a place look more crowded.... though even if it is that crowded those aren't conditions that spread the virus (sun wind seawater)

vitals.lifehacker.com/how-to-spot-a-misleading-crowd-photo-1843679750
kondzior 12 | 1,098
5 Aug 2020 #2,848
Poland - population 38 million, number of cases 48,149, deaths 1,738

Since you're here I thought I'd ask:
What is it with leftists and per capita? Is there a reason you guys don't know what it is?
pawian 173 | 12,565
5 Aug 2020 #2,849
What's the year the photo was taken?

You rightly ask about it coz there has already been a controvercy about it but the photographer corroborated it is 2020 and holidaymakers who were there did too.

Pictures from that angle can't be trusted as they can make a place look more crowded..

Yes, the angle adds those wind screens.
kondzior 12 | 1,098
5 Aug 2020 #2,850
journaldequebec.com/2020/08/04/saguenay-une-entreprise-collabore-pour-un-nouveau-masque-performant-et-reutilisable

Quebec company has invented a new mask that has even better filtration than N95, allows you to breathe more easily, and that is even resuable and can be washed in the washing machine. 99% filtration vs 95% for N95 masks. They are just waiting for approval from Health Canada and will then massively produce it. An app takes a picture of your face and tells you exactly which mask size you need so that it fits perfectly.

Nice, I'll try that if it's available to the public for sure!


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