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Coronavirus in Poland


mafketis 23 | 8,543
24 Jul 2020 #2,731
Numbers..

Fatalities (daily total) 4, age range 53-83, average age 71

daily average fatalities for the last 7 days 6.2 (down from 7.2 the week before)

Hospitalizations (running total) down 9 to 1617

Ventilators in use (new number) down 10 to 61

Cured (daily total) 456, 2 less than new cases...

Ratio of cured to fatalities (daily) there were 114 times more cured than new cases....
delphiandomine 85 | 18,254
24 Jul 2020 #2,732
Maf, what do you make of the current spike in infections? For me, it seems clear that people should avoid large groups where alcohol is involved (weddings, crowded places), but other than that, the situation seems pretty calm.
mafketis 23 | 8,543
24 Jul 2020 #2,733
what do you make of the current spike in infections?

Is it a spike in infections or a spike in discovered cases? There's been no corresponding rise in hospitalizations which has been steady at 1600-1700 or so for a time now....

Given the fatality rates I'm assuming less than half of the asymptomatic cases have been found... it's important to remember that according to one estimate about 80 % of people are essentially immune and 80 % of those who aren't will be asymptomatic or have very mild symptoms (like a cold that never seems bad enough to see a doctor).

A lot of people's anxiety levels are stuck back in March when it seemed this would be very dangerous for large numbers of people or completely overwhelm the healthcare system... hasn't happened yet in Poland and I'm not expecting it to (knock on wood).
OP Braveheart16 18 | 200
25 Jul 2020 #2,734
Mafketis - Is it a spike in infections or a spike in discovered cases?

When you say 'discovered cases' do you mean people who have taken a COVID test and have then been diagnosed as having the virus, because I would be surprised if there are that many people who could afford the high cost of a test, unless of course it has become cheaper. As you say however a percentage of people will have a mild form of the virus and will not need to be hospitalised (but presumably are carriers and can spread the virus to more vulnerable people) It is quite a balancing act.
mafketis 23 | 8,543
25 Jul 2020 #2,735
I would be surprised if there are that many people who could afford the high cost of a test

Well presumably when the government gives you the test it's for free... I'm not sure what the government's.... plan is on who they test but whenever random testing has been done they find lots more people have/do have it than they'd imagined....

do you mean people who have taken a COVID test and have then been diagnosed as having the virus

yes
kondzior 12 | 1,074
25 Jul 2020 #2,736
It takes nothing but this basic fundamental rule of logic to realize that the whole mainstream discourse on COVID-19 and masks is political bullshit, regardless of whether masks are effective or not. All officials talking publicly about this have been flip-flopping in worldwide unisson from one position to its complete opposite without even acknowledging it, but instead calling all those who don't bend their minds to the jedi trick "conspiracy theorists", "science deniers", etc. Trying to prevent people from examining the contradicton with an ad hominem, fuucking hell. It says a lot about the state of people's education that such sh!t even works.
Joker 1 | 1,458
25 Jul 2020 #2,737
COVID-19 and masks is political bullshit, regardless of whether masks are effective or not.

In the US, they flip flop every week, its just political to keep everything locked down until November election.

Its ok to go protest, but if you attend church you will be issued a fine.

Everyone seems to ignore the real culprit....CHINA



mafketis 23 | 8,543
25 Jul 2020 #2,738
Numbers..

Fatalities (daily total) 9, age range 62-94, average age 77

Hospitalizations (running total) down 23 to 1594

Ventilators in use (new number) up 4 to 65

Cured (daily total) 422, over 160 less than new cases

Ratio of cured to fatalities (daily) there were 46 times more cured than fatalities
delphiandomine 85 | 18,254
25 Jul 2020 #2,739
Is it a spike in infections or a spike in discovered cases?

This is the critical question today. The amount of new infections is nearly 600, yet it seems that this might well be the result of intensive targeted testing as it seems that the majority of infections are in clusters.

However, I'm predicting right now that in the very near future, travel abroad will only be possible with a negative test result.
pawian 171 | 12,080
25 Jul 2020 #2,740
yet it seems that this might well be the result of intensive targeted testing

Or, careless quarantine behaviour. People are too relaxed. Besides, we had a campaign and elections.
mafketis 23 | 8,543
25 Jul 2020 #2,741
new infections is nearly 600, yet it seems

Recent explosions of new cases in Texas and Florida were accompanied by lowered rates of hospitalization... (which media coverage has tried to not dwell on...)
kondzior 12 | 1,074
26 Jul 2020 #2,742
In the US, they flip flop every week, its just political to keep everything locked down until November election.

I'm fine with people choosing to wear them or not, I'm fine with governments recommending them, I'm fine with Trump wearing them, whatever. I would never attack a person for making that kind of choice. I don't even have huge objections to mandating them in public transport, since you also have the option to walk, cycle, drive a car. And airplanes, because you can't have a socially distanced plane while running a profit.

But what's happening now is governments are mandating them even in places where it's not germane to the situation. And openly encouraging vigilante enforcement by left-wing hate mobs, because you can't expect police and shopkeepers to confront people all day, but the government still wants to enforce the rules. It's a one-way road to social control. I would be very surprised if jurisdictions that are forcing masks now are ever going to rescind the mandates, except maybe some red states in the US.

Even the flu comparisons are dangerous. Governments might as well say: "Oh yeah you're right, we're going to mandate masks forever just to keep down flu deaths as well".
cms neuf - | 1,667
26 Jul 2020 #2,743
But some countries have already dropped mask wearing rules - including Poland and most of their neighbors. In Poland you have to wear one in a shop or on the tram and that is pretty much it. So that might be half an hour of your day.

I don't know if they work but it only costs a few zloty for a mask and if I'd not want to wear one even in a shop then I can get stuff delivered.

Americans and Brits are making heavy weather of something that every other country had just got on with and done. It's a weird thing because they are countries that take some civil liberties very seriously and in other cases are very repressive (drinking ages, prostitution, ****, drugs etc).
delphiandomine 85 | 18,254
26 Jul 2020 #2,744
In Poland you have to wear one in a shop

One nice thing recently is that shops are taking it more and more seriously, and people are being openly refused service until they get a mask.

Still plenty of selfish morons not wearing one inside bigger shops, but on the whole, compliance is there.
Bratwurst Boy 6 | 10,363
26 Jul 2020 #2,745
I'm not sure about the knowledge in Poland, but in Germany they talk more and more about the longterm effects of Corona. It seems it's not at all only a lung disease...it affects multiple organs and even the blood vessels.

Even after a survived infection people stay sick, they feel sick and weak...doctors and hospitals are preparing for lots of after-Corona-patients who need rehab and intensive care.

It's definitely not the flu!
rozumiemnic 8 | 3,770
26 Jul 2020 #2,746
I don't think you should call it 'corona' there are lots of corona's..like 'SARS ..avian flu...etc.
Covid 19 is more accurate..
Chemikiem 6 | 2,212
26 Jul 2020 #2,747
Americans and Brits are making heavy weather of something that every other country had just got on with and done

I don't know about America, but I think what Brits are most hacked off with is the ridiculous rules around wearing of masks. I think if it had been mandatory to wear them at the start, most people would have complied, but this is 4 months on and people are fed up of the clowns in power making it up as they go along.

For example, I can walk into Costa Coffee, order a drink to take away and I have to be wearing a mask. If I decide to sit down and have that drink inside, I don't have to wear a mask. I have to wear a mask in shops and supermarkets, but those working in them don't have to. What sort of crazy logic is this?
Bratwurst Boy 6 | 10,363
26 Jul 2020 #2,748
I don't think you should call it 'corona'

I think I've just got used to it....as everybody and his grandmom is calling it so...and all of the media!
Joker 1 | 1,458
26 Jul 2020 #2,749
I haven't and still think the Commie Chinese should be held accountable!

Its always going to be the ChinaVirus to me.

China Lied People Died



rozumiemnic 8 | 3,770
26 Jul 2020 #2,750
The media here tend to say 'covid19' as there are in fact many corona viruses. This one is just the latest....
It's almost as if someone is working on it!

Yes Pam exactly. Vague instructions that come too late from a weak , corrupt and venal government that patently don't care about the people....
Bratwurst Boy 6 | 10,363
26 Jul 2020 #2,751
Its always going to be the ChinaVirus to me.

....for me too!

But it seems nobody is holding China accountable, they will go away with it... :(
Joker 1 | 1,458
26 Jul 2020 #2,752
If Trump wins he will hold them accountable as Pompeo has already started laying down the ground work. If Dementia Joe wins, then its back to the same old status quo and we will all be sold down the road.

Mike Pompeo calls on free world to triumph over 'new tyranny' of 'Frankenstein China'

nypost.com/2020/07/24/mike-pompeo-gives-scathing-speech-on-totalitarian-china/
Bratwurst Boy 6 | 10,363
26 Jul 2020 #2,753
Mike Pompeo calls on free world to triumph over 'new tyranny' of 'Frankenstein China'

I wish Germany would join....
cms neuf - | 1,667
26 Jul 2020 #2,754
Why does he have to wait until he gets a second term ? He's in charge now and he's been in charge since January when this started.

Too busy playing golf probably

Seriously this would be fixed much quicker in the US if you stopped arguing about masks and what to call the virus and started following simple instructions
mafketis 23 | 8,543
26 Jul 2020 #2,755
Numbers..

Fatalities (daily total) 7, age range 61-93, average age 79

Hospitalizations (running total) up 7 to 1601

Ventilators in use (new number) up 3 to 68

Cured (daily total) 334 about 110 less than new cases

Ratio of cured to fatalities (daily) there were 47 times more cured than fatalities
Bratwurst Boy 6 | 10,363
26 Jul 2020 #2,756
After newest information those cured won't be really cured for a long time....maybe never....

"....Now, more than 300 studies from around the world have found a prevalence of neurological abnormalities in Covid-19 patients, including mild symptoms like headaches, loss of smell (anosmia) and tingling sensations (arcoparasthesia), up to more severe outcomes such as aphasia (inability to speak), strokes and seizures.."

bbc.com/future/article/20200622-the-long-term-effects-of-covid-19-infection

With that knowledge mounting any real try of "herd immunity" would have proven fatal for any society. Because that sickness isn't done with the overcoming of an infection. The won immunity is questionable and the longterm effects will put every health system to test for years to come!

..."As the number of cases increases, you will start to see not only the common manifestations but also the uncommon manifestations - and we're seeing them all at once, which is not something any of us have encountered in our lifetimes."....

....

If Sars-CoV-2 can cross this barrier, it suggests that not only can the virus get into the core of the central nervous system, but also that it may remain there, with the potential to return years down the line....


It seems to be able to cross the blood-brain barriere:

"....In fact, some scientists now suspect that the virus causes respiratory failure and death not through damage to the lungs but through damage to the brainstem, the command centre that ensures we continue to breathe even when unconscious...."
mafketis 23 | 8,543
26 Jul 2020 #2,757
have found a prevalence of neurological abnormalities in Covid-19 patients

Are these patients with no symptoms? mild symptoms? symptoms requiring hospitalization?

What percentage of patients have these long term symptoms?

This reads like fear ****....

which is not something any of us have encountered in our lifetimes

Sounds engineered....
Bratwurst Boy 6 | 10,363
26 Jul 2020 #2,758
It's all in the article.

This reads like fear ****....

After 300+ studies?

"We are facing a secondary pandemic of neurological disease."

What percentage of patients have these long term symptoms?

In the next months we will know more than now....it's hard to give now exact data about long term symptoms if the disease is only a few months old...

But it's definitely not the flu!

Sounds engineered....

...as I posted a few weeks back...about these findings of that lab near Wuhan...
Bratwurst Boy 6 | 10,363
27 Jul 2020 #2,759
Interesting....they questioned Germany's very first official Covid-19-patient. He already has no anti-bodies anymore, meaning he is not immune anymore. That means the won immunity holds no longer than 6 months...then it's back to square one and you can get infected again including the long rats tail of long term health (especially neurological) problems...

It's so definitely not the flu!

bild.de/news/inland/news-inland/corona-in-deutschland-patient-1-ein-webasto-mitarbeiter-im-interview-72085904.bild.html

(I'm more and more glad the idea of "herd immunity" wasn't followed through. It would have been a desaster...and useless!)
Atch 17 | 3,234
27 Jul 2020 #2,760
This reads like fear ****....

Have a read of this. Twenty seven year old nurse, no underlying health conditions. Three weeks into her recovery, back in hospital with heart problems:

"In the middle of the day yesterday, she just simply walked to the toilet and her heart rate went up to 250 beats per minute where her normal would be 50," explains Dr Eileen Sweeney, Registrar in Infectious Diseases."

rte.ie/news/investigations-unit/2020/0721/1154658-covid-im-fit-and-healthy-and-its-absolutely-floored-me/


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