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Coronavirus in Poland


Lenka 3 | 1,980
26 Jun 2020 #2,611
There will be a vaccine out soon

Maybe, maybe not. We cannot rely on that
Lenka 3 | 1,980
26 Jun 2020 #2,613
Sorry, but I really don't care what he says unless he has one already aproved and as far asI know the answer is no.
johnny reb 23 | 4,537
26 Jun 2020 #2,614
It will be approved soon, you just have to have a little patience and some self discipline.
Lenka 3 | 1,980
26 Jun 2020 #2,615
Sorry but while it would be nice there is no guarantee and no policies should be based on the assumption there will be vaccine.
And those concerts, pubs etc also mean millions of work places
johnny reb 23 | 4,537
26 Jun 2020 #2,616
You are thinking like a very selfish brain dead person.
Even if you caught it and had no serious effects from it........how about the people YOU spread it to die because of YOUR selfishness.

Or the people you give it to gives it to someone that dies ?
You are guilty of murder !
NO, I don't care how "sorry" you are, we are all in this together and must all work together to slow this until the vaccine is available.

How can such self serving person like you not get that ??????
johnny reb 23 | 4,537
26 Jun 2020 #2,617
23 - June - 20

USA wont be banned. Please. NYT is all about the left and scaring people.

26 - June - 20
The EU just banned Americans from entering the E.U.
Bratwurst Boy 6 | 10,590
27 Jun 2020 #2,618
Hmmm....

The only thing I read about that is that the EU travel limitations for citizens from the US, Russia and Brazil are being uphold.

That doesn't sound either new nor like a "ban"....

sueddeutsche.de/politik/coronavirus-weltweit-1.4930379

Only for a handful of countries these travel limitations are officially ending in July, between them South Korea and New Zealand (only for necessary travels though).

The deciding factor for these travel limitations is the count of Covid-19 new infections! (Better be "stable" or "sinking")
PolAmKrakow 1 | 434
27 Jun 2020 #2,619
@johnny reb
Mike Pompeo saying that EU-USA will reopen borders. This is not a new ban, it is a mutual closure that was first initiated by the USA when Trump closed all borders. Expected to be eliminated within two weeks.
Lenka 3 | 1,980
27 Jun 2020 #2,620
we are all in this together and must all work together to slow this until the vaccine is available.

Again, there is no guarantee the vaccine will be available . And even if it will be the question remains when. Do you really believe it's a viable option to shut everything for say half a year or a year?

Staying in a lockdown has it's own damaging effects and treating it like a valid long term plan is stupid. We slowed down the virus enough that most health system managed to cope and now we can look at how to organise it so life can be resumed.

And you can stop personal trips as due to my responsibilities I'm not socialising with anyone outside of my household. I just pointed out that you can't ignore human nature . Do you really think you can stop teenagers for long? That their desire to start life and hunger for peers contact will somehow disappear? Unless one can see the point in it AND an end to it at some point the risk will be ignored. Especially by young people who want to experience life.
Crow 139 | 8,620
27 Jun 2020 #2,621
People, hey, last night I checked with friends. Rakija and vodka, both work against Covid. Yes, vodka, too. You just let it flow and all germs are awashed. Even better, swim in it.

So, no need for panic.
mafketis 23 | 8,410
27 Jun 2020 #2,623
The numbers release.

Fatalities (daily total) 6 - age range 54-87 = average age 72 (again a bit younger than the general 75-77 average in Poland)

Hospitalizations (running total) decrease of 64 to 1869

Cured (daily total) 754 well over twice the number of discovered infections... (and tenth day in a row with more cured than discovered infections)

Rona Lisa, Rona Lisa men have named you, you're so like the lady with the mystic sty...., oops, sorry, never mind.

Oh Coronavirus, I long to see you
Go away, you crappy illness
Oh Coronavirus, I long to see you
Away, go far away
Across the wide Missou.... anyway back to our regularly scheduled knock down drag out....
mafketis 23 | 8,410
28 Jun 2020 #2,624
Numbers on election day

Fatalities (daily total) 4 - age range 45-83 = average age 70 (new trend? a few younger fatalities pulling the average age down... I suspect serious comorbidities but there's no way to know for sure)

Hospitalizations (running total) decrease of 24 to 1845

Cured (daily total) 576 well over twice the number of discovered infections... (and 11th day in a row with more cured than discovered infections)
mafketis 23 | 8,410
29 Jun 2020 #2,625
Mostly good numbers, all things considered.

Fatalities (daily total) 6 - average age 71, age range 37-90 (new trend of a few younger fatalities pulling the average age down...)

Hospitalizations (running total) decrease of 48 to 1797

Cured (daily total) 349 just over 100 more than newly found cases... (and 12th day in a row with more cured than discovered infections)
johnny reb 23 | 4,537
30 Jun 2020 #2,626
So, no need for panic.

Really, read this and then tell me that.
msn.com/en-us/health/medical/worlds-dominant-strain-of-coronavirus-is-10-times-more-infectious-than-the-one-that-jumped-to-humans-in-china-because-it-mutated-so-its-vital-spike-protein-doesnt-snap-as-often-in-the-body-scientists-say/ar-BB167e7l?li=BBnb7Kz
Bratwurst Boy 6 | 10,590
30 Jun 2020 #2,627
Corona is so yesterday....tomorrow it's G4!

New swine flu with pandemic potential identified by China researchers

Researchers in China have discovered a new type of swine flu that is capable of triggering a pandemic, according to a study in the US science journal PNAS.

Named G4, it is genetically descended from the H1N1 strain that caused a pandemic in 2009.


theguardian.com/world/2020/jun/30/new-swine-flu-with-pandemic-potential-identified-by-china-researchers

It emerged recently and is carried by pigs, but can infect humans, they say.

The researchers are concerned that it could mutate further so that it can spread easily from person to person, and trigger a global outbreak.

The virus, which the researchers call G4 EA H1N1, can grow and multiply in the cells that line the human airways.

They found evidence of recent infection in people who worked in abattoirs and the swine industry in China when they looked at data from 2011 to 2018.


bbc.com/news/health-53218704

Can't we just isolate China for awhile? It would make things so much easier for the rest of the world....
mafketis 23 | 8,410
30 Jun 2020 #2,628
Election hangover numbers....

Fatalities (daily total) 18 - average age 72, age range 42-91 (new trend of a few younger fatalities pulling the average age down continues... I'm wondering how long they'd been hospitalized)

Hospitalizations (running total) increase of 14 to 1811

Cured (daily total) 384 just over 140 more than newly found cases... (and 13th day in a row with more cured than discovered infections)
mafketis 23 | 8,410
1 Jul 2020 #2,629
Numbers..

Fatalities (daily total) 14 -age range 66-97, average age 82

Hospitalizations (running total) increase of 112 to 1923

Cured (daily total) 510 just over 125 more than newly found cases... (and 14th day in a row with more cured than discovered infections, so that's a good trend....
OP Braveheart16 18 | 195
1 Jul 2020 #2,630
The number of cases in the Silesia region has reached about 12,000 plus which is about one third of the total number of cases in Poland. Does anyone know what steps are being taken to deal with this terrible situation....I presume the government are taking extraordinary steps to deal with this....I guess some sort of lockdown to contain the virus...improved PPE for nurses/doctors etc.... Urgent action would seem to be needed now to stop the spread of the virus to surrounding areas...?

It would seem that Leicester in the UK is now about to go back to lockdown due to very high numbers of new cases of people transferring the virus....is this something Poland should do with Silesia...?
dolnoslask 5 | 2,889
1 Jul 2020 #2,631
Poland should do with Silesia...?

Yeah silesia has been a big problem for months due to close proximity mining, but it has been kept under control and no spread has occurred.
OP Braveheart16 18 | 195
1 Jul 2020 #2,632
yes I agree with the reasons why this is so high but when you say no spread has occurred how is this assessed because I am not convinced that people are complying with social distancing...wearing masks etc particularly with the good weather and children now being off school..... it must be said that Silesia has one third of cases in the whole of Poland....something must have gone wrong in Silesia....are any lessons being learnt...?
dolnoslask 5 | 2,889
1 Jul 2020 #2,633
are any lessons being learnt...?

I think they are being learned everywhere, looks like certain activities such as mining and food processing are creating a disproportionate number of cases , temperature?
mafketis 23 | 8,410
1 Jul 2020 #2,634
.I guess some sort of lockdown to contain the virus...

I think the general lockdown helped in Poland but regional lockdowns don't work (for one thing they just encourage anyone who can to leave before the lockdown takes effect spreading it further).

Also the panic spiral brought about by the regional lockdowns in Italy probably made things far worse... spikes definitely seem to be worsened iatrogenically...

Unless hospitalizations in Poland rise above 2200 or so (they haven't broken 2000 since early June) things are not too drastic. the less attention you pay to media and the more to basic numbers (like hospitalization) the less scared you'll be.

This twitter feed should calm you down a bit... he only uses official government numbers and finds a very different story from the panic pr0n pushed by the media.

twitter.com/AlexBerenson
mafketis 23 | 8,410
2 Jul 2020 #2,635
Numbers..

Fatalities (daily total) 15 -age range 50-87, average age 68 (definitely younger than average probably due to the deaths of 50, 53, 59 and 60 victims (all with comorbidities)

Hospitalizations (running total) decrease of 136 and down to 1787

Cured (daily total) 418 just under 50 more than newly found cases... (and 15th day in a row with more cured than discovered infections, so that's a good trend....
Atch 17 | 3,224
2 Jul 2020 #2,636
There is really no change between May and June except that the age of those dying is dropping.



dolnoslask 5 | 2,889
2 Jul 2020 #2,637
age of those dying is dropping.

Ahh the snowflakes might get zapped after all.
mafketis 23 | 8,410
2 Jul 2020 #2,638
There is really no change between May and June

Poland flattened the curve.... that doesn't mean it disappears more quickly just that there haven't been days with hundreds of people dying and a lower overall death rate.

And the hospitalization rate is absolutely lower now than in May.... looking at the per capita death rate Poland has done far better than most European countries.
OP Braveheart16 18 | 195
2 Jul 2020 #2,639
mafketis - regional lockdowns in Italy probably made things far worse.......just encourage anyone who can to leave before the lockdown takes effect....

These are fair points....I remember the sudden exodus of people from Northern Italy to Southern Italy and this clearly spread the virus further....I just hope that people living in Silesia take a responsible attitude when moving around and are conscious of the very serious consequences to others on the potential effect of spreading the virus.....
mafketis 23 | 8,410
3 Jul 2020 #2,640
no change between May and June

I don't know how to take snapshots, but if you go to that same chart and click the "7 day moving average" you'll see clear peak from around April 23 to May 1 topping out around april 28...


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