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Coronavirus in Poland


johnny reb 23 | 4,537
24 Jun 2020 #2,581
for the followers of a cult of coronavirus

Tell the people of Texas this that had it under control until the anti cultists told the Governor to f-off and went back to the bars and beaches.

Now the second wave is hitting Texas because the people knew better then the experts did.
All I have to say is, "They told you so"
Now for the second time this year the Governor has said, "Stay home and self quarantine" you self serving mannerless idiots that just cost the State billions more because they refused to listen and exercise their Constitutional rights.

Is the fair to the people who did sacrifice and listen ?
I am sure this will all change after the election as Trump is getting blamed for the idiots not listening.
mafketis 23 | 8,410
24 Jun 2020 #2,582
The day's numbers

Fatalities (daily total) 21 - age range 51-98 = average age 77

Hospitalizations (running total) increase of 29 to 1965

Cured (daily total) 561 which is 267 more than the number of discovered infections... (seventh day in a row with more cured than discovered infections)

The rona goes on..... the rona goes on.... drum beat pounding rhythm to the br.... oops sorry I got distracted for a moment.
mafketis 23 | 8,410
25 Jun 2020 #2,583
the numbers today be......

Fatalities (daily total) 16 - age range 41-95 = average age 73 (about three years younger that the average so far)

Hospitalizations (running total) increase of 9 to 1974

Cured (daily total) 520 which is 202 more than the number of discovered infections... (eighth day in a row with more cured than discovered infections)

Oh, my little pretty one, my pretty one, when you gonna give me some time, corona? Oh, you make my motor run, my motor run, got it coming off o' the li..... oops, mind was wandering again....
johnny reb 23 | 4,537
25 Jun 2020 #2,584
..... oops, mind was wandering again....

You me still.
You know that nobody really cares anymore about your numbers don't you.
All we care about is an effect vaccine.
jon357 63 | 15,214
25 Jun 2020 #2,585
Hospitalizations (running total) increase of 9 to 1974

I gather the number of infections is rising again in Germany. Perhaps we'll see a corresponding spike here.
Lenka 3 | 1,980
25 Jun 2020 #2,586
You know that nobody really cares anymore about your numbers don't you.

Speak for yourself.
mafketis 23 | 8,410
25 Jun 2020 #2,587
I gather the number of infections is rising again in German

Infections shminfections....

Hospitalization is the better metric to follow (since a large majority of infections end up being either asymptomatic or with only mild symptoms that don't require medical intervention). Is that going up?
Atch 17 | 3,224
25 Jun 2020 #2,588
The latest data from the WHO is that 80% of Covid-19 infections are mild or asymptomatic, 15% are severe infection, requiring oxygen and 5% are critical, requiring ventilation so I suppose you can extrapolate from that. I notice that Germany's stats have a critical rate of around 4% at the moment and their death rate stands at 5%. Poland never seems to have a serious/critical rate of more than 1% and the yet the death rate is 7%. Curiouser and curiouser............
mafketis 23 | 8,410
25 Jun 2020 #2,589
t the death rate is 7%

Actually AFAICT the current fatality rate (of all infections) is about 4 % which is a bit high (so I'm assuming they've only found about 50% of the cases..
jon357 63 | 15,214
25 Jun 2020 #2,590
Is that going up?

I doubt we could rely on the Polish government's stats at the moment.

asymptomatic

The danger is that asymptomatic carriers can infect people who will later develop symptoms. It's a numbers game.
mafketis 23 | 8,410
25 Jun 2020 #2,591
I doubt we could rely on the Polish government's stats at the moment.

I'm open to that idea as soon as some credible evidence comes into play.

asymptomatic carriers can infect people who will later develop symptoms

As I understand it asymptomatic transmission is rare but presymptomatic transmission can happen.
jon357 63 | 15,214
25 Jun 2020 #2,592
asymptomatic transmission is rare but presymptomatic transmission

That's interesting; it could explain the sudden rise in certain countries.

There is still a lot to be understood about this.
Atch 17 | 3,224
25 Jun 2020 #2,593
Actually AFAICT the current fatality rate (of all infections) is about 4 % which is a bit high

You're using a flawed mathematical model there. You can only obtain an accurate fatality rate when you base it on cases which have had an outcome.

Closed cases: 20,066
Deaths: 1,412
So that's a fatality rate of 7%.
mafketis 23 | 8,410
25 Jun 2020 #2,594
Okay that makes sense.... that suggests even more cases that are asymptomatic (or mild symptoms).
Atch 17 | 3,224
26 Jun 2020 #2,595
Absolutely. We'll never know the true fatality rate in any country, or globally, because we'll never know how many people have been infected. We'll also never know how many people have died but not been counted as a coronavirus death. Some experts suggest that the true rate of infection could be up to ten times the known number of cases, so that would mean a fatality rate of around 0.7% for Poland (and indeed for Ireland). Of course it would be much higher for certain age groups.

What I object to is the attitude of 'so what if a few old people die'. People over 65 are human beings too and some of them have families and friends whose lives they enrich, who love them and would quite like them to live for another ten or fifteen years. Many people of that age have only mild health issues such as slighly elevated blood pressure or angina which are under control and don't stop them leading a normal, active life. I don't find it acceptable that any nation gets comfortable with the idea of continuing to have ten or twenty premature deaths per day from a nasty contagion.
mafketis 23 | 8,410
26 Jun 2020 #2,596
We'll also never know how many people have died but not been counted as a coronavirus death

We know lots of cases of the opposite though - including a gunshot victim listed as a coronvirus death in the US... I'm going to treat the balance as roughly equaling out because.... what else can we do...

What I object to is the attitude of 'so what if a few old people die'

I'm entirely in favor of special protection and services for the more vulnerable but most countries (and most people) seem to oscillate between "We're all doomed!" and "We have nothing to lose!" without the kind of finely tuned nuance that some of us (comme moi, par exemple) bring to the discussion.

In cold economic terms indefinite lockdowns and social distancing are not viable - as they'll end up killing more than the virus and the particular nature of this virus even makes things like contact tracing more difficult than usual.

A comment I heard on one discussion is kind of what I'm coming to think. It can't be stopped or isolated like some other infections and what's left for it is to burn itself out and all that most countries can do is try to keep the number of casualties as small as possible.
Joker 1 | 1,588
26 Jun 2020 #2,597
The latest data from the WHO is that 80% of Covid-19 infections

A corrupt organization that shouldn't be taken seriously ever again.
jon357 63 | 15,214
26 Jun 2020 #2,598
People over 65 are human beings too

And still economically active until 67 or 68 in some countries that are raising state retirement age.
mafketis 23 | 8,410
26 Jun 2020 #2,599
The numbers release.

Fatalities (daily total) 17 - age range 52-86 = average age 71 (again a bit younger than the general 75-77 average in Poland)

Hospitalizations (running total) decrease of 41 to 1933

Cured (daily total) 654 which is a whopping 369 more than the number of discovered infections... (ninth day in a row with more cured than discovered infections)

Rona Lisa, Rona Lisa men have named you, you're so like the lady with the mystic sty...., oops, sorry, never mind.
Atch 17 | 3,224
26 Jun 2020 #2,600
A corrupt organization

There are some decent individuals within it though and Mike Ryan is one of them.

It can't be stopped

Back in May Mike Ryan said that it may never go away.

"This virus just may become another endemic virus in our communities and this virus may never go away. HIV hasn't gone away. I'm not comparing the two diseases but I think it is important that we're realistic. I don't think anyone can predict when or if this disease will disappear."

And still economically active until 67 or 68 in some countries

Absolutely. They are also the backbone of many a volunteering group, not to mention taking on a large share of childcare duties for grandchildren. And what about the 'grey pound' and how it contributes to the economy.
Lenka 3 | 1,980
26 Jun 2020 #2,601
this virus may never go away

That would be an argument to bring things back to normal it seems. We can't stay in lockdown.forever. And while obviously sad and tragic we accept that people die every day from various diseases.Noone starts lockdown because of flu victims. Are those people less valuable? No, we simply accept that there is such disease and carry on.
mafketis 23 | 8,410
26 Jun 2020 #2,602
Like I said a lot could be done to protect the most vulnerable (elderly with certain health conditions) but I don't hear much talk about that...

One quick note if you know an elderly person is to encourage them to take vitamin D supplements since those deficient in D seem to be especially vulnerable, no risk if not needed (AFAIK) and possibly better protection.
Atch 17 | 3,224
26 Jun 2020 #2,603
We can't stay in lockdown.forever.

No and I wouldn't advocate that either. I just think that people could behave a bit more thoughtfully at this time in terms of simple things like social distancing. Why sit practically on a stranger's lap in the tram if there are plenty of seats free? Why push your unmasked face into the fruit and veg in the supermarket? Learn to cough or sneeze into the crook of the elbow like we did during Swine Flu. Just basic things like that.

I don't disinfect my hands when I go into the shops though, unless they make an issue of it and I have to. I wash them before I leave the house but I think too much washing/disinfecting etc is unhealthy and will destroy your immunity to other things. It's not natural to disinfect your hands every ten minutes and if you go to a few shops that's what you can end up doing. The other day I was in a shopping centre and had to submit to having my hands forcibly disinfected by a young Pani Kommandant, -as I call officious females- at the door of one, then again going into Rossmann as the security man was watching. Don't agree with that.
johnny reb 23 | 4,537
26 Jun 2020 #2,604
(elderly with certain health conditions)

The 25-45 year olds are the ones getting it now the most because they think they won't die and are socializing like a flock of pigeons in the park without masks.

Plus now after six months they are finding even more underlying issues from the virus that they weren't aware of at the get go.

Like the virus attacks the lungs first, then the pancreas, then the kidneys, liver and brain.
It sure knocks the hell out of the quality of life for people of any age even if it doesn't kill them first.
Anyone not wearing a mask in public is a potential threat to my life and I should legally be able to defend myself with a preemptive strike by shooting them first for threatening my life.
jon357 63 | 15,214
26 Jun 2020 #2,605
a lot could be done to protect the most vulnerable (elderly with certain health conditions)

Who can of course be at risk from asymptomatic people, especially ones without masks.
Lenka 3 | 1,980
26 Jun 2020 #2,606
The 25-45 year olds are the ones getting it now the most because they are socializing

Which is natural for that age group. They are wired for that. It's called productive age and that mean they should work, socialise and make babies.

Heck, we are generally social animals and we need contact.

Anyone not wearing a mask in public is a potential threat to my life

Anyone driving a car is a threat to your life, people with flu are potential threat to your life...The list goes on

@Atch
Sounds sensible. I see cashiers disinfecting their hands between each client and while it's good for us, customers, I wonder what it does to them.
tesco
26 Jun 2020 #2,607
Anyone not

wearing a mask in public is a potential threat to my life

Agreed.
Long term severe health issues occurs in 3% of cases
johnny reb 23 | 4,537
26 Jun 2020 #2,608
Which is natural for that age group.

Nothing natural about it to intentionally expose yourself unnecessarily to others to something that can kill you.
There will be a vaccine out soon and until them we ALL must practice some self control and quit being so damn self serving idiots.

Anyone driving a car is a threat to your life

A car is not an unnecessary threat, spreading the virus because you feel the uncontrollable need to go to a bar, beach or concert is.

Long term severe health issues occurs in 3% of cases

We don't know this yet as these studies and statistics are just starting to be compiled.
mafketis 23 | 8,410
26 Jun 2020 #2,609
Anyone not wearing a mask in public is a potential threat to my life

you're not in Poland, your desire to shoot random people is off topic and should be taken to random....
johnny reb 23 | 4,537
26 Jun 2020 #2,610
you're not in Poland,

Neither are you.
My post was very much on topic and that is why you are not a Mod like you think you are.
Actually the post you just made is Off - Topic and you should receive a warning for it all with Baiting.
The virus is world wide and we are all in this together.


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