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Coronavirus in Poland


delphiandomine 88 | 18,858
18 Jun 2020 #2,521
That means the virus is still very active in other regions of Poland.

Weddings could be particularly dangerous.
mafketis 24 | 9,361
18 Jun 2020 #2,522
We will continue to see hundreds of new cases each day and more deaths.

I don't know about very active.... and the increased numbers today might be (knock wood) a function of data collection as a number from hospitals that hadn't reported lately, I think it was post holiday data dump... we'll see

But again, the average age of death is 75 (and with comorbidities) it's not like it's a threat to most of the population.

continue to see hundreds of new cases each day

Oh that's assured no matter what the government did or didn't do. That's a function of a pandemic but if most new cases don't merit hospitalization.....
johnny reb 28 | 5,291
19 Jun 2020 #2,523
The plot thickens.
Researchers at Northwestern University have genetically sequenced the COVID-19 virus in 88 patients and found many infected in Chicago have a unique strain of the virus rarely seen around the world.
kondzior 12 | 1,200
19 Jun 2020 #2,524
But again, the average age of death is 75 (and with comorbidities) it's not like it's a threat to most of the population.

Oh yes, round eye! Virus numbas a reeeeery row! We just like shut down whole mega city for ress than 50 of 70 year old patients a day! Nothing to see here!

theguardian.com/world/2020/jun/16/beijing-coronavirus-outbreak-travel-restricted-china-severe-measures
mafketis 24 | 9,361
19 Jun 2020 #2,525
Today's numbers, a little down a little up

Fatalities (daily total) 18, down a bit from yesterday, age range 59-92 average age 78

Hospitalizations (running total) 1886 a jump of 37 from a day

Cured (daily total) 381 a bit over the number of cases discovered for the day, so that's good....
OP Braveheart16 18 | 250
19 Jun 2020 #2,526
Some good news...it would seem that scientists from Oxford University have discovered a drug which reduces the rate of death in patients particularly those who are on respiratory care, and it is cheap to buy as well.....so hopefully this will lead the way to further successes....it would seem that it has received approval from government and is to be used immediately in the NHS.

news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-what-is-the-breakthrough-treatment-dexamethasone-and-what-are-its-side-effects-12008173

I was surprised to see that so many people seem to believe that the virus has come to an end.....this was made very clear at President Duda's recent election campaign meeting, when neither he or anyone else wore a mask and what is worse is that everyone paid no regard to social distancing and there were crowds taking photo's and adults and children standing next to Duda and supporters etc....it seemed like business as normal.... Is the pandemic over?
mafketis 24 | 9,361
19 Jun 2020 #2,527
Is the pandemic over?

No, but most people in Poland aren't afraid of it anymore.... the cultural profile of Poland means that people are nervous in new and novel situations but are okay taking calculated risks (unlike anglophones who aren't bothered by new and novel situations but hate known risks and try to eliminate them)
cms neuf 1 | 1,852
19 Jun 2020 #2,528
Well there is that and also the fact that with no government support then unless you go back to work there is no way to keep a roof over your head and food on the table. I don't know how many people died of that virus - 2000 maybe, but in any case a lot less than in the regular flu season.

Shops and schools have been open for a month now without any noticeable surge
mafketis 24 | 9,361
19 Jun 2020 #2,529
I don't know how many people died of that virus - 2000 maybe

1334 in Poland, average age around 75..... a few younger people (most of which likely had serious illnesses). It's just not that scary to most people now....

And yeah the response by governments everywhere has been feeble and unimaginative which will lead to a large increase in inequality...
Spike31 2 | 2,100
20 Jun 2020 #2,530
Stanford study suggests coronavirus might not be as deadly as flu

"The Imperial College modelling, which has been so influential on the government, assumed an infection fatality rate (IFR) of 0.9 per cent."

"(...)John Ioannidis of Stanford university to work out the IFR [infection fatality rate] in 12 different locations. They range between 0.02 per cent and 0.5 per cent"

spectator.co.uk/article/stanford-study-suggests-coronavirus-might-not-be-as-deadly-as-flu
Bratwurst Boy 9 | 10,631
20 Jun 2020 #2,531
Stanford study suggests coronavirus might not be as deadly as flu

You know what happens in Brazil? Where they let run the "flu" quite freely?

worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/brazil/
AntV 2 | 167
20 Jun 2020 #2,532
You know what happens in Brazil? Where they let run the "flu" quite freely?

What's interesting about that is they're still at the average worldwide mortality rate of 5%.
OP Braveheart16 18 | 250
20 Jun 2020 #2,533
people are nervous in new and novel situations but are okay taking calculated risks

That's true I suppose, but I hope they don't take risks like they do when driving on the roads or with health and safety....
mafketis 24 | 9,361
20 Jun 2020 #2,534
Today's numbers

Fatalities (daily total) 12, back down to the 10-15 a day rate... age range 62-90, average age 77

Hospitalizations (running total) a jump of 45 up to 1931

Cured (daily total) 483 which is 170 more than the number of cases discovered for the day, so that's good.... (three days in a row the cured figure has been higher than the newly counted cases).
Atch 17 | 3,427
20 Jun 2020 #2,535
Stanford study

You forgot to quote this bit:

"The Stanford study, however, does not include the largest antibody study to date.......that would convert to an IFR of 1.1 per cent."

You also failed to mention that the article is over a month old since when many more results have been published. A more recent article quotes Timothy Russell, a mathematical epidemiologist at the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine as saying "The studies I have any faith in are tending to converge around 0.5-1%,"
Spike31 2 | 2,100
20 Jun 2020 #2,536
You forgot to quote this bit:

No, I didn't forget. The purpose of a good quote is to interest the reader into following the link and not to copy-paste the whole text into forum post.
mafketis 24 | 9,361
20 Jun 2020 #2,537
they don't take risks like they do when driving on the roads

That's _why_ they take those risks (not consciously of course but real risks are less scary than uncharted territory).
Atch 17 | 3,427
21 Jun 2020 #2,538
The purpose of a good quote is to interest the reader

No. The purpose of your quotes is to attempt to convince readers that your spurious arguments are supported by facts.

the response by governments everywhere has been feeble

Poland's has been woefully inadequate but there have been some fairly generous support packages offered in several countries.
mafketis 24 | 9,361
21 Jun 2020 #2,539
Today's numbers are encouraging (weekend slump or....)

Fatalities (daily total) 10, ... age range 12-90, average age 80

Hospitalizations (running total) decline of 54 to 1877

Cured (daily total) 502 which is 191 more than the number of cases discovered for the day, so that's good.... so it's been four days in a row that the cured number has been higher than the newly counted cases.

some fairly generous support packages offered in several countries

I don't know if "fairly generous" is going to cut it... Some bold measures like debt jubilees are called for unless the prospect of a world wide major depression seems appealing.....
pawian 176 | 14,299
21 Jun 2020 #2,540
The government vows they won`t lock down Poland again even when the second wave of pandemia strikes. wiadomosci.onet.pl/kraj/mateusz-morawiecki-drugiego-zamkniecia-gospodarki-nie-bedzie/z8rp309

Is it a good approach? Do they want to deal with it in Swedish style? With what results?
These are neutral questions, I am completely relaxed if they do or not.
cms neuf 1 | 1,852
21 Jun 2020 #2,541
If there is another lockdown then on day one I will fire most of my my employees and stop paying ZUS, bills and rent. This time round I kept paying both, expected government support which never came. I know lots of other employers have the same view.

Only one employee thanked me for it and some of the rest even moaned about not getting bonuses etc.
Cargo pants 2 | 837
21 Jun 2020 #2,542
he rest even moaned about not getting bonuses etc.

If I was in business,I would try to replace those employees ASAP,and promote the one who thanked me.They should be lucky to keep there jobs in COVID.

I thought Polish govt was giving some money to the business owners?In the States everybody who has income below 75k got 1200$ each and $500 for each kid.
pawian 176 | 14,299
21 Jun 2020 #2,543
expected government support which never came.

So why the hell have they passed The Shield No 4 by now? I thought all their fekking shields from 1 to 4 are really working and helping enterpreneurs.

But yes, my relative who is a taxi driver is still waiting for 5000 PLN from the shield as he didn`t suspend his business.

some of the rest even moaned about not getting bonuses etc.

That`s black ingratitude which is typical of people so we should be prepared.
amiga500 2 | 206
21 Jun 2020 #2,544
I thought all their fekking shields from 1 to 4 are really working and helping enterpreneurs.

Not according to the Polams on this forum.. ;/ the rest of poland might disagree tho...
PolAmKrakow 1 | 590
21 Jun 2020 #2,545
@amiga500
The rest of Poland might disagree? Wow, you really have no clue. Pick up your pay at the PiS window down the hall and to the right, next to the ZUS office.
johnny reb 28 | 5,291
21 Jun 2020 #2,546
Here is my personal frustrations with the our governments on this virus.
1. They knew about this virus back in October of 2019 and did not tell the people how highly contagious and dangerous it was until March of 2020.

2. Huge amounts of people from many countries have all complained of having the same exact symptoms of the Corona Virus but have been told that they do not or did not have it after being tested.

When they ask what they did have then we all got the same exact pat answer....."We don't know."
The hell you don't know................not when 10's of thousands across the globe were all sick in the same time frame with the same symptoms.

Throughout this thread it has been said many times, The dots are just not connecting !
My personal conspiracy theory is that it was intentionally set free to depopulate the planet.
mafketis 24 | 9,361
21 Jun 2020 #2,547
it was intentionally set free to depopulate the planet

Well it's been a gutterball in that department, if that's the goal you want a virus that kills people before they reproduce not those in the twilight years....
Lenka 3 | 2,558
21 Jun 2020 #2,548
it was intentionally set free to depopulate

Then whoever did it was quite incompetent. The numbers are way too low for depopulation
johnny reb 28 | 5,291
21 Jun 2020 #2,549
Do we actually know how many millions it killed in China ?
In might just be an experiment for what is yet to come.
The India virus may be next as they have Billions of people just like China does to feed.
I just know that we are all going to die.
mafketis 24 | 9,361
21 Jun 2020 #2,550
I just know that we are all going to die.

that's a given, the only question is when


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