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Coronavirus in Poland


Tacitus 2 | 1,146
30 May 2020 #2,311
Keep in mind that mask actually protects others more than it protects yourself. Which is why everbody needs to wear it protect all equally.
mafketis 23 | 8,440
30 May 2020 #2,313
The weird pattern of fatalities and hospitalization going in different directions continues....

There were 10 fatalities (average age 75) down from 13 yesterday (age range from 52-92, average age 75.1 )

Also 324 cases cured, up from 132 the day before (I think I'll keep track of this too since it always seems to be about 10 times the numbers of fatalities..)

Hospitalizations (running total) are up a bit to 2207 from yesterday's 2035.
OP Braveheart16 18 | 195
30 May 2020 #2,314
Mafketis - Thank you for your continued update on virus statistics...they are very helpful....
Joker 1 | 1,598
31 May 2020 #2,315
The weird pattern of fatalities

After being really precautious wearing masks and using hand sanitizer. I was diagnosed last Wednesday with the ChinaVirus.

I was in bed for 3 days with a 100F fever and headache. All my muscles ache and it felt like someone was squeezing my chest.

I forget to mention the cold chills. Its 77F and sunny and I was wrapped up in a bath robe and a blanket. Fun times, huh?

Im finally feeling back to somewhat normal, the fever has broke and Im getting my energy back.

This virus really sucks, dont catch it!!!

Oh yeah,, FU CHINA!!!!!
Joker 1 | 1,598
31 May 2020 #2,317
Im one of the lucky ones...I still feel out of it, been almost a week now, but the worse is definitely behind me.
jon357 63 | 15,216
31 May 2020 #2,318
Good to hear you're feeling better. It might take a while to get your energy back, so look after yourself.
rozumiemnic 8 | 3,849
31 May 2020 #2,319
It certainly does seem to affect different people in different ways. Or it could be to with area. .

Obviously I don't know where u live joker. But it does seem when you look at a 'covid map' of the UK that it is more polluted areas where more people die.

So London. .ofc Cardiff and the valleys... (massive steelworks)....and northern Italy got hit pretty bad too...lots of car factories..airports and so on. Just my little theory so not backed up by 'the science ' as our politicians like to say...

Is it the same in 'the states '?
jon357 63 | 15,216
31 May 2020 #2,320
Cardiff and the valleys

Barrow-in-Furness has a huge number of cases for a small town. Including my auntie who died of it at the start of lockdown. The shipyard and ironworks must have something to do with it.

Here in Poland, it's the industrial area of Upper Silesia that seems to have had the problems.
rozumiemnic 8 | 3,849
31 May 2020 #2,321
I was just thinking about Krakow and the coal dust in fact...
Joker 1 | 1,598
31 May 2020 #2,322
Obviously I don't know where u live joker.

Im by Chicago. We dont have any factories that spew out pollution, so the air quality is usual good. I quit smoking cigarettes several years back and sure it helped me recover.

I was just thinking about Krakow and the coal dust in fact...

Its almost June, isn't the air better now?

Including my auntie who died of it at the start of lockdown

Sorry about your Aunt.

Its a horrible virus and had the worst headache I can ever remember.

I dont understand how more ppl are not peed off at communist china
johnny reb 23 | 4,578
31 May 2020 #2,323
Its a horrible virus and had the worst headache I can ever remember.

That's when I knew I had it......that headache from hell and so tired.
And it hit almost instantly and after taking six Vicodin in a two hour period that never even touched the pain.
Then it left as quick as it came the next day followed by two weeks of a chronic cough until my ribs hurt.
I couldn't get enough sleep.
Now I wonder how much lung damage it did to me.
Atch 17 | 3,225
31 May 2020 #2,324
The weird pattern of fatalities and hospitalization going in different directions continues....

That's because PIS are not being honest. The numbers being released are false in some respect. The very nature of mathematics is logic and the data being released does not make sense mathematically.

Daily new cases continue at the same rate as the month of April, hospitalization is the same or slightly higher, yet deaths are dropping.........does that make sense to you?

I've been following the numbers on the 'worldometers' website which uses official government figures for each country as their source and for as long as I can recall the number of 'critical' cases has remained at 160 - how can that be? No change in that number? It works out at 1% of those infected and yet the death rate of those infected is shown as 9%. The numbers just don't add up.

The bottom line is that community transmission is still very much on the go in Poland so those daily deaths will continue for the forseeable future and will begin to peak again when the restrictions are fully lifted. Bear in mind that there have been more deaths from Covid-19 in Poland than have been acknowledged by the government. Only those who die in hospital for example, rather than those who die at home.

(unless you're over 75 and have other serious health problems

The stats for Ireland show that the danger age starts at 65.
PolAmKrakow 1 | 447
31 May 2020 #2,325
@Atch
Try these stats broken down by Voivodeship en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_pandemic_in_Poland Community infections are not on the rise, the vast majority coming from Silesia in the mines and factories. All the panic is not necessary at this point, the spread is well under control here. Though I agree PiS did not test enough and other than closing the borders did little to help the citizens of Poland.
mafketis 23 | 8,440
31 May 2020 #2,326
new cases continue at the same rate

The number of 'new' cases is simply a function of testing and doesn't really matter beyond giving the public numbers... given the fatality rate it's safe to assume that at least as many undiscovered as discovered cases are out there and the limited testing numbers mean that's going to drag out...

As for the 160 thing.... does that change for other countries daily? the numbers don't make much sense for Spain or Italy either....

hospitalization is the same or slightly higher

hospitalization is lower than april, I don't want to crunch the numbers but all through april the hospitalization rate was over 2500 (up to 3500) it's around 2200 now, about a standard deviation lower

more deaths from Covid-19 in Poland than have been acknowledged by the government

In theory I can believe that but I need to know what data you're basing that on.... sources? comparative death rates?

for the government to successfully fudge the numbers to a significant degree would require active cooperation from the medical community - which hates it and has no motivation to cover for them, so......
Atch 17 | 3,225
31 May 2020 #2,327
To begin with, Poland only records deaths that occur in hopsital. It doesn't include nursing homes, other care settings or deaths that occur at home. Therefore the number of deaths is undoubtedly higher. Did you know that the WHO historically doesn't accept Poland's stats? Poland has a history of producing untrustworthy statistics apparently.

All the panic is not necessary at this point, the spread is well under control here.

I'm not in a state of panic, never have been. I'm just being realsitic about the figures and sounding a note of caution about celebrating too soon, more with regard to the health service and the economy then mass mortality, which I certainly don't expect. But the virus is not under control in Poland. The transmission rate is not far enough below the R0 number of 1.0 in the wider community, to be lifting restrictions at the present rate. That means the virus is still increasing and within a few months the country could well be back in the same position it was at the beginning of the epidemic.
PolAmKrakow 1 | 447
31 May 2020 #2,328
@Atch
What should happen and should have happened earlier is locking down Silesia and Warsaw for two weeks maybe a month. Letting those two hotbeds flame out more quickly. But that would have been bad publicity. The vast majority of the country has so low numbers now that infections will likely continue to sputter along until a good week of hat weather which will put an end to things. The virus cant survive heat, this we know.

The country can not stay closed forever. Suicide rates are on the rise, depression is on the rise, and people are running out of money with no help on the way. When they finally come outside they see business closed for good. I walked down one street off Rynek the other day, its a short street about a city block. Eight closed business operations on one block that were open before March 10th.

Saying the rest of the country has to see everything they worked for go up in smoke because people with underlying conditions are not being protected properly is simply illogical. You dont sacrifice the many for the few. You protect the few who are most vulnerable.

Remember this virus and the ensuing quarantine of the world was not about protecting the vulnerable, it was about not overwhelming the health care system. A statement in itself saying that healthcare is simply not prepared for emergencies, which in the end is the governments fault.
mafketis 23 | 8,440
31 May 2020 #2,329
Did you know that the WHO historically doesn't accept Poland's stats?

The WHO is a Chinese stooge that criminally mishandled this from the beginning - no credibility with me. Also it's been a shill for the pharmaceutical industry (aka evil incarnate).

As for the recording of deaths - that's a contentious issue everywhere.

Again, is there any evidence of excess deaths this year? Can anyone compare mortality rates in April 2019 with April 2020?

There was one article suggesting that funeral homes are struggling because of a lack of deaths.... so.....
Bratwurst Boy 6 | 10,591
31 May 2020 #2,330
The WHO is a Chinese stooge that criminally mishandled this from the beginning

Agreed!

Again, is there any evidence of excess deaths this year?

For that we have the "Statistisches Bundesamt" in Wiesbaden!

They found out that in Germany we have for April an average of 8% more dead people than usually during this month in the last years....

In the beginning, between the 6th and 12th April, the death count was even higher by 13% above the yearly average.

badische-zeitung.de/acht-prozent-mehr-tote-als-sonst-im-april--185977353.html
mafketis 23 | 8,440
31 May 2020 #2,331
According to an analysis carried out by tvn24 (sworn eternal enemies of the current Polish government) there has been no excess deaths in 2020.... and actually fewer people died in April 2020 (when the pandemia was peaking compared to now) than in April 2019...

medonet.pl/koronawirus/koronawirus-w-polsce,jak-epidemia-wplynela-na-statystyki-zgonow-w-polsce-,artykul,93145387.html

numbers
april 2018 = 34,639 deaths
april 2019 = 33,613 deaths
april 2020 = 30, 534 deaths
amiga500 - | 139
31 May 2020 #2,332
thats the conspiracy theory that PiS is hiding coronavirus deaths put to bed then. thanks for the info mafk
Atch 17 | 3,225
31 May 2020 #2,333
The WHO is a Chinese stooge that criminally mishandled this from the beginning

In what way have they mishandled it?
Bratwurst Boy 6 | 10,591
31 May 2020 #2,334
there has been no excess deaths in 2020

Did they count the Poles in Germany too?
mafketis 23 | 8,440
31 May 2020 #2,336
Finally! A day when both fatalities and hospitalizations are both down (and more cured than new cases).

Fatalities (daily totals) there were 3 fatalities (average age 77) down from 10 yesterday

Also 255 cases cured, down from 324 the day before (but more than new cases, which might be an artifact of the weekend..)

Hospitalizations (running total) are down a bit to 2134 from yesterday's 2207
Miloslaw 7 | 3,264
31 May 2020 #2,337
Finally! A day when both fatalities and hospitalizations are both down

Good news.
But people need to get back to work fast, before the economic damage becomes worse than the viral one.
mafketis 23 | 8,440
31 May 2020 #2,338
That ship has sailed, the economic damage is inevitable... though maybe not as drastic as it will be in some places (the advantages of under-development!)
Miloslaw 7 | 3,264
31 May 2020 #2,339
That ship has sailed

Not sure about that.
You may be right.
But time will tell.
cms neuf - | 1,603
31 May 2020 #2,340
I think it will be worse here than in many other countries - there is no government support plan and however good Poland is there will be less appetite for investing in risky countries. Government borrowing will weaken the zloty which adds more risk. A lot will depend on how quickly Germany recovers


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