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Joker 1 | 1,586
15 May 2020 #2,101
Shanghai is far safer than London or New York when it comes to the virus

Says who? The Chinese? LOL. They claim to have less to 1000 deaths in Beijing. At least they stopped trying to blame the US for it...China lies about everything!

If you believe the numbers these commie are telling you. I have a bridge Id like to sell you too!
Atch 17 | 3,224
15 May 2020 #2,102
Czech Republic is relaxing face mask rules from 25 May, masks no longer mandatory outdoors. I expect Poland will follow suit once the warmer weather arrives in June. Also in Czechia, no masks for staff and pupils in schools during lessons.
antheads2
15 May 2020 #2,103
our deputy minister of culture is pretty smart, so much so that he got a article in the wall street journal thefirstnews.com/article/deputy-pm-glinski-offers-vision-of-post-pandemic-reality-12385

"Referring back to the Pancevski-Hinshaw article, Glinski highlighted that Poland's experience historically is one of being threatened with complete annihilation and indeed the country disappeared from the map for 123 years, pointing out that some Poles remember the cataclysmic onslaught of the German Third Reich as well as 50 years of communist rule with the existential threat they represented. As a result, the search for politico-economic solutions to the post-COVID-19 reality are made with awareness and memory of the past: ""And this may be a Polish lesson for the West," he said.
Lenka 3 | 1,966
15 May 2020 #2,104
post-COVID-19 reality are made with awareness and memory of the past:

In wiat way? What is this suppose to mean?
Bratwurst Boy 6 | 10,590
15 May 2020 #2,105
Don't you see it?

Covid-19 ----> Germs -----> Germans

If that pandemia isn't a warning from history then what is?
mafketis 23 | 8,404
15 May 2020 #2,106
Just released are the figures for May 15,

hospitalization: a total of 2579 people are now hospitalized, 41 more than yesterday

fatalities : 24 have died (two more than yesterday's total)
antheads2
15 May 2020 #2,107
it means because we have a cultural memory with death and disaster poland was a lot more responsive to acting against the threat of the pandemic than western nations.
Lenka 3 | 1,966
15 May 2020 #2,108
Almost every country in Europe has an experience with that! WWII wasn't specifically Polish experience. WWI either. I think that is more than enough experience.
Atch 17 | 3,224
15 May 2020 #2,109
Covid-19 ----> Germs -----> Germans

Lol!

we have a cultural memory with death and disaster

As Lenka says, virtually every country in Europe has that.
jon357 63 | 15,214
15 May 2020 #2,110
As a result, the search for politico-economic solutions to the post-COVID-19 reality are made with awareness and memory of the past:

I doubt any response will ignore the past, though the post-war social contract can't be ignored when looking at ways to rebuild the economy and society after any crisis.

I think that is more than enough experience.

Exactly; and the issues involved are completely different. The minister wasn't making much sense when he gave that talk.
antheads2
15 May 2020 #2,111
our prime minister wasint shaking hands with coronavirus patients in march was he? or our PO majors werent organising hug a chinese campaigns to combat 'racism' like the idiot major of florence was? there is a difference in attitudes between east and west europe.
jon357 63 | 15,214
15 May 2020 #2,112
Perhaps less than you would like to think.
antheads2
15 May 2020 #2,113
25,000 deaths, (the difference between poland and spain deaths) is big enough for me jon
Lenka 3 | 1,966
15 May 2020 #2,114
wasint shaking hands with coronavirus patients

And that comes from wars? Interesting logic..
jon357 63 | 15,214
15 May 2020 #2,115
the difference between poland and spain d

Quite a lot of difference, and nothing to do with wars (which both countries have had).
antheads2
15 May 2020 #2,116
yes it comes from and exuberance that we are indestructable which stems from cultural and historical memory. , lgreat britain and spain didin't have their country destroyed by the Nazis, or suffer the soviet occupation afterwords.

but that was not the point of the deputy ministers article . i just quoted that cause it was the last point. if you care to read it, he talks a lot about the potential for civilisational collapse and the need for very stroing stimulus measures without traditional regards for deficits and conventional thinking.
Lenka 3 | 1,966
15 May 2020 #2,117
If you write that with a straight face then you are a moron. (Talking about the war thing here)
antheads2
15 May 2020 #2,118
lol o.k why don't you have a cry about your life and your boyfriends like you used to years ago on PF> you don't have the intelectual capacity to understand these issues blanka.

Gilinski is a sociology proffessor , and your qualifications are? to comment so surely on how history and culture affects decision making processes?
Lenka 3 | 1,966
15 May 2020 #2,119
History and culture plays a role but when it comes to death and destruction almost all countries experienced that. It not something unique to Poland. Simple as that
antheads2
15 May 2020 #2,120
thats why he mentioned communist occupation as well, but u ignored that. So the fact that all the post communist countries have extremely low death rates compared to the west, is a coincidence?
Bratwurst Boy 6 | 10,590
15 May 2020 #2,121
What about Russia then?

Russia confirmed 10,598 new coronavirus infections Friday, bringing the country's official number of cases to 262,843.Russia now has the world's second-highest number of coronavirus infections

themoscowtimes.com/2020/05/15/coronavirus-in-russia-the-latest-news-may-15-a69117

And they don't even count most of their dead....

Why Moscow didn't count 60% of suspected Covid-19 deaths

edition.cnn.com/2020/05/14/europe/russia-coronavirus-deaths-intl/index.html
jon357 63 | 15,214
15 May 2020 #2,122
exuberance that we are indestructable

Is not generally thought to relevant to viral infctions.

spain didin't have their country destroyed by the Nazis

No, only ravaged by a bloody and protracted civil war during the previous 5 years.
mafketis 23 | 8,404
15 May 2020 #2,123
ravaged by a bloody and protracted civil war

Which Spain is _still_ not over (as anyone with even a passing knowledge of the country would/should know).
jon357 63 | 15,214
15 May 2020 #2,124
Exactly. And neither that nor Poland's recent history have any great relevance to those countries' response to Covid. That is led largely by public health specialists. The economic recovery will be based most likely on the country's economic base, markets and any restrictions.
mafketis 23 | 8,404
15 May 2020 #2,125
neither that nor Poland's recent history have any great relevance to those countries' response to Cov

I do think there are cultural factors that are of relevance to the coronavirus response but it's not a simple cause and effect scenario...
delphiandomine 85 | 18,266
15 May 2020 #2,126
If you write that with a straight face then you are a moron.

It's the usual PiS supporters thing. They will repeat anything that their rulers tell them, because they're incapable of independent thought.
KorkiTaczer - | 62
15 May 2020 #2,127
In that case, you sure pass as the biggest pisior of them all :*
delphiandomine 85 | 18,266
15 May 2020 #2,128
I do think there are cultural factors that are of relevance to the coronavirus response

For sure, you have to look at the Spanish weekend culture - something that you only see during the warmest months in Poland.
Miloslaw 7 | 3,264
15 May 2020 #2,129
Covid-19 ----> Germs -----> Germans

Seems logical to me...... ;-)

Great britain and spain didin't have their country destroyed by the Nazis, or suffer

This is very true.

ll the post communist countries have extremely low death rates compared to the west, is a coincidence?

No.
It is because these countries do not have the massive interaction with the world that the UK and USA have.
You are less exposed.
mafketis 23 | 8,404
15 May 2020 #2,130
This is very true.

Again... in cased you missed it, Spain had the Spanish Civil War (incredibly destructive and traumatic - it's been called a dress rehearsal for WWII) and then 35 years of rule by a repressive authoritarian dictator...


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