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Dirk diggler 9 | 4,550
8 May 2020 #1,982
Almost every countries rates are under reported though. Plus Poland took more drastic measures than most countries and it didn't spread too rapidly there. Hell Chicago alone has 2.5x as many dead alone as Poland. 60%+ are blacks and hispanics because there's many of them sharing one house in poorer areas. Doesn't mean there aren't deaths either in the wealthier white/jew/asian zip codes.

When I think that the USA has the number 1 amount of coronavirus i think of the drunken american dude yelling yeah america #1, usa! usa! usa!
Cargo pants 2 | 470
8 May 2020 #1,983
Poland took more drastic measures

I didnt think Poles would follow the rules,amazingly most Poles did .
Dirk diggler 9 | 4,550
8 May 2020 #1,984
Yeah I'm kind of surprised. The cops and government came down hard though which I wasn't a fan of. Arresting people and giving tickets for riding bikes or going to get a 6 pack? Come on now...
Cargo pants 2 | 470
8 May 2020 #1,985
Honestly thats all hear say,I didnt experience that in Warsaw centrum or the village I am Many times on bike I forget to take my mask and they didnt say nothing.None of my friends dont even know any one who was ticketed.
delphiandomine 85 | 18,266
8 May 2020 #1,986
Are you suggesting lots of coronavirus deaths aren't being counted?

The problem is that we just don't know - there were cases where people died and they didn't do a post-mortem test, and after all, this is PiS we're talking about - who like to lie about everything, even when it doesn't make sense to lie.

It does seem now as if mass events are the true danger - witness the clusters in mines/nursing homes/hospitals, but very little in the way of infection from supermarkets/etc.
Hello5232
8 May 2020 #1,987
[Moved from]: Coronavirus & private kindergarten (Przedszkole)

Hello, my child is in a private Przedszkole and the principal refuses to pay back 50% of the payment on March (where half the time the garden was closed due to the virus). Is there a government office that can be contacted?

Or anything we can do about it?

The amount is not worth a private lawyer.

Thank you.
mafketis 23 | 8,360
8 May 2020 #1,988
clusters in mines/nursing homes/hospitals, but very little in the way of infection from supermarkets/

It isn't mass events that are the danger it's closed air environments... that's been obvious to anyone following the research....

cases where people died and they didn't do a post-mortem test

The thing to do is compare death rates by week or month from 2019 and 2020.... has anyone done that?
delphiandomine 85 | 18,266
8 May 2020 #1,989
No. The government has made it clear that nurseries are not expected to return the money, although they should consider reducing the fees if possible.
kaprys 3 | 2,351
9 May 2020 #1,990
@Hello5232
It's a tricky thing but if it's not a big amount of money and you want your child to have somewhere to come back to. ..
Atch 17 | 3,221
9 May 2020 #1,991
my child is in a private Przedszkole and the principal refuses to pay back 50% of the payment on March

In fairness to the school, they still have costs and overheads to meet when the school is closed. I don't think it's reasonable to expect to pay absolutely zero when the school is shut. The school could reduce the fee perhaps for that period but not scrap it entirely. However, that would be a goodwill gesture and you don't find much of that in Poland, especially in businesses and that's what the preschool is, a business. As Kaprys says, it's best not to make an issue of it. If they're open again now and your child is happy there, then just let it go.
Sylvio 18 | 137
10 May 2020 #1,992
UNBELIEVABLE - Downing Street announces that COVID death certificates ARE being falsified
jon357 63 | 15,214
10 May 2020 #1,993
falsified

Really?

No, not really.
mafketis 23 | 8,360
11 May 2020 #1,995
Here is a great site of scientifically informed information on coronavirus to contrast with media hysteria... (short story: there's no longer any reason to lock things down)

swprs.org/a-swiss-doctor-on-covid-19/

Also, it can be dangerous to older people in closed air environments but no one's trying to protect them...

Lots of interesting things about counting procedures...
kondzior 10 | 1,019
11 May 2020 #1,996
Sweden: Many times more dead AND worse economic forecast than the neighboring countries.

ec.europa.eu/info/sites/info/files/economy-finance/ip125_en.pdf
document.no/2020/05/08/svensk-okonomi-rammes-hardt/
PolAmKrakow 1 | 429
11 May 2020 #1,997
Bottom line here in Poland is that with the exception of random spikes in facilities and coal mines, numbers are clearly on the decline. Definitely no need for so many restrictions now. Sowing fear and panic in Poland or the USA for that matter clearly does not match the scientific data. If you want real economic data, all you have to do is watch how many businesses are going up for sale or just shutting their doors. Commercial real estate rental price in Krakow in some instances are 50% of what they were in January.
cms neuf - | 1,573
11 May 2020 #1,998
Your link doesn't work.

But in any case I just don't see that - they have a death rate per million that is higher than the other Nordic countries but lower than Switzerland and Belgium and the same as Ireland and Holland. The massive wave of cases has just never arrived and in fact their curve seems to show they are decreasing.

They are not handling the virus better than other countries, but they are not handling it worse. Of course their economy will suffer - it's export led and most of their customers are shutting down.
mafketis 23 | 8,360
11 May 2020 #1,999
The massive wave of cases has just never arrived

One of the things that stands out when you look at the data (rather than the hyped up hysteria the media is pushing) is that death rates seem to be pretty independent of government action and whether high or low they start to fall pretty strongly after two months... there has been no exponential growth anywhere and far more hospitals in the US (for example) have been shut down by a lack of patients than by a dramatic increase of patients...

By this stage the danger is over and governments are using this for their own ends...
delphiandomine 85 | 18,266
11 May 2020 #2,000
is that death rates seem to be pretty independent of government action

I'm waiting to see what will happen in two weeks time. There was pretty major movement of people last weekend to the seaside, mountains and lakes, so we should see the effects then, especially with nurseries and kindergartens now open. If nothing changes, then there are some hugely difficult questions ahead.
mafketis 23 | 8,360
11 May 2020 #2,001
If nothing changes

Just bear in mind, what's relevant is not the absolute number of cases or even death rates unless you have access to data usually kept out of the news but the percentage of cases that need hospitalization (usually well hidden in the media coverage) but a friend of a friend works in the hospital dealing with coronavirus patients in a large city and ... they haven't been overwhelmed at all.

there are some hugely difficult questions ahead.

I'm inclined to not judge western governments too harshly for overreacting in the early stages (it did seem a lot scarier than it turned out to be) or even in re-opening too slowly (bureaucratic inertia - it's always harder to undo something than to do it in the first place).

Now I'm beginning to wonder about conspiracy theories that the Chinese government knew that it wasn't that dangerous and did everything it could to create the impression that it was trying to cover up how deadly it was for economic reasons - they knew they had a big economic slowdown coming and they wanted the rest of the world to share in it....

Not the craziest theory I've heard (and there's not much that I would think is too underhanded for the CCP)..... I'm not there yet, but....
delphiandomine 85 | 18,266
11 May 2020 #2,002
but a friend of a friend works in the hospital dealing with coronavirus patients in a large city and ...

I seem to recall one figure of 30% being given for bed occupancy, which if true, means that there's some room to breathe.

Now I'm beginning to wonder about conspiracy theories that the Chinese government knew that it wasn't that dangerous

Hard to tell really, such trickery would be right up their street, but then again, I still can't get the way that it attacks round my head.

Have you heard of anyone getting it personally in Poland? I don't know anyone, though I know a couple of people from the UK who have had victims in their families.
Spike31 3 | 1,610
11 May 2020 #2,003
@delphiandomine, here's your expert opinion about face masks from doctor Spike :-)

European Centre for Disease Prevention and Control doesn't recommend wearing them.

"There is little evidence that wearing face masks (e.g. surgical-type) outside of healthcare settings during the influenza season or a pandemic offers effective protection or reduces transmission, and ECDC does not recommend their use."

ecdc.europa.eu/en/seasonal-influenza/prevention-and-control/personal-protective-measures
kaprys 3 | 2,351
11 May 2020 #2,004
@Spike31
Read what's underneath what you quoted :)

And another funny article from asz dziennik
google.com/amp/s/aszdziennik.pl/amp/129455,szumowski-gdyby-nie-slask-byloby-po-pandemii-oddamy-go-niemcom
Spike31 3 | 1,610
11 May 2020 #2,005
Read what's underneath what you quoted :)

"However, people in the community may choose to wear a face mask." They may also choose to wear a top hat and sunglasses ;-P

"Use of a face mask by people who are ill with influenza symptoms may help to contain respiratory secretions when the person coughs or sneezes and lower the risk for infection among close contacts"

Lots of "mays" but let's agree that those who have flu symptoms should cover their faces instead of sneezing at the others around them. So we've introiduced a national lockdown to teach some people good manners? ;-)
johnny reb 23 | 4,467
12 May 2020 #2,006
I feel like such a genius sometimes as I have repeatedly stated in this thread that 70% of the worlds population has been exposed to this virus.

The more they test the more my prediction comes true.
Now they are finally admitting it.
Dr. Michael Osterholm, director of the Center for Infectious Disease Research and Policy at the University of Minnesota, said the initial wave of outbreaks in cities such as New York City, where one in five people have been infected, represent a fraction of the illness and death yet to come.

"This damn virus is going to keep going until it infects everybody it possibly can," Osterholm said Monday during a meeting with the USA TODAY Editorial Board. "It surely won't slow down until it hits 60 to 70%" of the population, the number that would create herd immunity and halt the spread of the virus.


This why I personally don't believe the second wave will be worse than the first is because most of us have already been exposed to it plus we are now more educated on how to avoid it.
kaprys 3 | 2,351
12 May 2020 #2,007
@Spike31
Those who have a flu should definitely stay at home :)
Spike31 3 | 1,610
12 May 2020 #2,008
@kaprys, sure if they got symptoms they should stay at home. And they don't they should enjoy a nice weather, have a picnic in a park and open a bootle of a good red wine. Perhaps a Chilean cabernet sauvignon ;-)
jon357 63 | 15,214
12 May 2020 #2,009
sure if they got symptoms they should stay at home

If someone's got flu, as in influenza, going out and about is the last thing on their mind.
rozumiemnic 8 | 3,843
12 May 2020 #2,010
Yes but you can be symptomless for a few days and still be contagious....
Afraid I agree with Jr. ..lots if us have hade it. The winter just gone I had one respiratory infection after another.... but have been quite well throughout the pandemic..

Yes jon if someone says they have flu but they're still going about..they probably don't. ..


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