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Bratwurst Boy 6 | 10,590
5 May 2020 #1,921
My questions are: does Sweden have overwhelmed health service?

Interesting question....here some answers:

Here's what healthcare workers in Sweden are saying about the coronavirus

thelocal.se/20200406/heres-what-healthcare-workers-in-sweden-are-saying-about-the-coronavirus

And here an actual assessment of the swedish situation:

Sweden Health Chief Admits 'It's Not Over' As Coronavirus Cases Leap

forbes.com/sites/davidnikel/2020/04/24/sweden-health-chief-admits-its-not-over-as-coronavirus-cases-leap/#41b6831d573f

....IMHO it looks more and more as if Sweden is NOT the "happy island" but will pay a hefty price for going their own way!
kondzior 10 | 1,021
5 May 2020 #1,922
Makes me think of an Ayn Rand quote that seems appropriate:

"You can ignore reality, but you can't ignore the effects of reality."
Crow 139 | 8,609
5 May 2020 #1,923
On World Health Organization.

It never mentioned depleted uranium that NATO used against Yugoslavia and in particular against Serbs. Now they blame bats for the virus. Wtf? Who is WHO? Who are those people. Trump is right. Its scam.
PolAmKrakow 1 | 434
7 May 2020 #1,924
A friend of mine sent me this late last night. Its very interesting to think about plandemicmovie.com/ I recommend everyone watch the trailer.
Atch 17 | 3,224
7 May 2020 #1,925
And for the sake of balance, read this, 'The anti-vaxx agenda of The Plandemic.'

//bigthink.com/coronavirus/the-plandemic?rebelltitem=2#rebelltitem2
mafketis 23 | 8,404
7 May 2020 #1,926
And, to muddy the waters further, what's going on here?

globalnews.ca/news/6910821/coronavirus-papaya-goat-tanzania/

One possible explanation is that the lab has instructions to label any ambiguous or anomalous results as positives...

On the other hand, this is very good news, if true...

globalnews.ca/news/6914940/coronavirus-south-korea-twice-positive/
PolAmKrakow 1 | 434
7 May 2020 #1,927
Beyond the anti vax or pro vax arguments, there is very interesting information. I am pro vax in most cases, though I have never had a flu shot simply because I was always suspicious of them and saw people get sick anyway. I certainly wouldn't line up to get a COVID vax right after it comes out either. I simply don't believe the math and science reports support the mass fear and control. Its deadly yes but to a much smaller segment of society then we were all originally lead to believe.
mafketis 23 | 8,404
7 May 2020 #1,928
If you look at research (and not media hysteria) almost everything learned about it since late March has made it seem less scary. It's not super contagious and it's dangerous to only a small segment of society* - efforts need to be redirected toward protecting the vulnerable rather than shutting down everything.

*yes there are a few outlier cases of young healthy people badly affected but policy is/should not be built around outliers...
Miloslaw 7 | 3,264
7 May 2020 #1,929
it's dangerous to only a small segment of society

Very true.
In the UK for example of the 30,000 deaths as of yesterday only 322 were under the age of 45.
The vast majority of victims have been over 70.
OP Braveheart16 18 | 195
7 May 2020 #1,930
Mafketis - efforts need to be redirected toward protecting the vulnerable rather than shutting down everything.

In general this would seem to be true and so people will need to distance themselves from this risk group and of course vice versa....
PolAmKrakow 1 | 434
7 May 2020 #1,931
@Miloslaw

And how many of those 322 under 45 had other underlying conditions. Obesity looks to be a big factor.
Miloslaw 7 | 3,264
7 May 2020 #1,932
@PolAmKrakow

Probably most of them and yes, obesity is a factor and so is this news;

metro.co.uk/2020/05/07/black-people-four-times-likely-die-coronavirus-12666537/
Spike31 3 | 1,638
7 May 2020 #1,933
Makes me think of an Ayn Rand

In case of handling Chinese flu Ayn Ran would stand on the side of Sweden
mafketis 23 | 8,404
7 May 2020 #1,934
. Obesity looks to be a big factor.

and IIRC vitamin D deficiency is another major factor...
Atch 17 | 3,224
7 May 2020 #1,935
These might be of interest. Stats for people admitted to ICU in Ireland since the start of the epidemic:

An analysis of the first 327 people admitted to ICU gives us more information about these underlying conditions.

165 people (50% of the total) had chronic heart disease

76 people (23.2%) had chronic respiratory disease

74 people (22.6%) had diabetes

53 people (16.2%) had a Body Mass Index of more than 40

34 people (10.4%) had asthma requiring medicine

31 people (9.5%) had cancer

20 people (6.1%) had chronic renal disease
PolAmKrakow 1 | 434
7 May 2020 #1,936
@Atch

That is a total of 453 people which also says more than 100 people had at least two underlying conditions, or roughly one third of those patients. Essentially if you havent taken care of yourself your whole life, you are probably going to die from this. Then again, you are probably going to die anyway.
kondzior 10 | 1,021
7 May 2020 #1,937
In case of handling Chinese flu Ayn Ran would stand on the side of Sweden

I'm not an Objectivist, don't like Ayn Rand, and don't find her arguments persuasive. She, like Karl Marx, points put problems but has an overly simplistic and optimistic prescription for the cure. Sometimes a good quote is just a quote.
cms neuf - | 1,589
7 May 2020 #1,938
No it doesn't say that - that is just the ratios from the people who were in hospital.

You can look after yourself very well and still have cancer, diabetes or renal disease from genetic reasons or bad luck. You can be a marathon runner but have heart disease.
jon357 63 | 15,214
7 May 2020 #1,939
Ayn Ran

An irrelevance; a fake philosophy from a fraudulent chancer.

that is just the ratios from the people who were in hospital.

Quite. There are many factors involves; not least co-morbidity and also the way the virus mutates.
Spike31 3 | 1,638
7 May 2020 #1,940
"You can ignore reality, but you can't ignore the effects of reality."

Sometimes a good quote is just a quote.

Yes, that's a good quote.

That's why a coronavirus histeria and an upcoming economic crisis will swallow jobs/saving/pay raises of the masses who got lured by a fake image of dealthy pandemia spread and delived to them by [virtual] mass media...
OP Braveheart16 18 | 195
7 May 2020 #1,941
I am not so sure whether a suitable vacinne has been developed yet so any talk of anti vaccine or pro vaccine arguments are in my opinion a little premature..I think it will take some time to develop and test a vaccine (unless of course you try injecting bleach as recommended by DT from the good old USA)....at the end of the day looking towards returning to normal duties whether it be work, holidays etc will all depend on how confident people are to return and what hygiene procedures are in place to encourage people to return to normality...this is the big test...I suspect businesses will need to make changes in order to entice people back......most people will probably want convincing that they are returning to some sort of virus free zone or that measures are in place to combat it...some people of course are prepared to take a risk in the belief that there is no threat from the virus and that they are seemingly imune to it......'do you feel lucky'....?
Joker 1 | 1,586
7 May 2020 #1,942
(unless of course you try injecting bleach as recommended by DT from the good old USA)...

FACT CHECK: No, Trump Did Not Tell People To 'Inject Themselves With Disinfectant' Or 'Drink Bleach'

Left-wing activists made multiple false and misleading claims on Thursday following President Donald Trump's White House Coronavirus Task Force press briefing in which the president commented on new scientific finding...

dailywire.com/news/fact-check-no-trump-did-not-tell-people-to-inject-themselves-with-disinfectant-or-drink-bleach

Too bad Johnny is gone, he was a good anti lib fact checker:)

f virus free zone or t

A vaccine maybe coming sooner than everyone thinks..

US scientists have completed a coronavirus vaccine, Texas-based genetic engineering company claims...
dailymail.co.uk/health/article-8026293/US-scientists-completed-coronavirus-vaccine.html

I suppose, the vaccine won't be good enough for libs and they will try to find some fault with it and blame Trump. As usual.
Dirk diggler 9 | 4,550
7 May 2020 #1,943
In the UK for example of the 30,000 deaths as of yesterday only 322 were under the age of 45.

Wow I didn't think UK had that many deaths... that's a lot for the UK
Miloslaw 7 | 3,264
7 May 2020 #1,944
It is and like most countries, the UK did not how to deal with it and did not deal with it that well.
I think most countries just did what they thought was right with no knowledge to back it up.
It was a bit of a lottery.
It now seems that Germany got it right and the UK got it wrong.
Dirk diggler 9 | 4,550
7 May 2020 #1,945
It's kind of luck of the draw too. There's not much difference in the different states in the USA how they handled it yet places like New York, Michigan, Illinois, etc. were and remain hit really hard while other states like Wisconsin, Virginia, Tennessee, Minnesota, etc. have a fraction of the cases despite having fairly large cities as well.
Miloslaw 7 | 3,264
7 May 2020 #1,946
It's kind of luck of the draw too

Yeah, it is pretty complicated though.
USA will suffer in the large cities, but out in the sticks most people will be OK.
Here in the UK, not that many people live out in the sticks..... as we don't have as many sticks as you have... :-)
jon357 63 | 15,214
7 May 2020 #1,947
Germany

There are suggestions from within Germany and outside it that the German figures under-represent the number of infections and deaths by an order of magnitude. As one politician said this week, it's far too early to analyse figures. Nevertheless, their approach does seem to have worked.

Now shopping malls are open again here in PL, it will be interesting (or potentially nieciekawy) to see if cases increase. Quite a lot of people out on the streets here today, many of them taking part in the small business protest.
Miloslaw 7 | 3,264
7 May 2020 #1,948
This is why it is is pretty pointless to compare nations like some sort of top 40.
But what we can say is that Germany did something right, intentionally or otherwise, and much of the rest of the western world got it wrong.

We need to learn what Germany got right.
Tacitus 2 | 1,136
7 May 2020 #1,949
There are suggestions from within Germany and outside it that the German figures under-represent the number of infections and deaths by an order of magnitude

This pretty much counts for all countries, though it should be mentioned that Germany reports its' cases according to the same standards as other countries do. In fact, Germany did more often test patients who died for corona than some other countries who do not have the same testing capabilities.

The one country I am suspicious of is Russia. Supposedly they have roughly the same number of cases, yet their mortality rate is a fraction of Germany. And it is well known had badly most Russian hospitals are funded.
jon357 63 | 15,214
7 May 2020 #1,950
The one country I am suspicious of is Russia

Me too. Them, North Korea and Brazil..


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