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Coronavirus in Poland


Crow 139 | 8,609
29 Apr 2020 #1,861
Its not miracle. Our Sarmatian genetics in nigh to perfect.
Spike31 3 | 1,637
29 Apr 2020 #1,862
it will be like with their athlets

Or East German female swimmers :-P
Bratwurst Boy 6 | 10,590
29 Apr 2020 #1,863
....or generally East German athletes!

There ist no difference between both dictatorships abusing competitive sports to gain medals and with them international acknowledgement. It's in the system...
Atch 17 | 3,224
30 Apr 2020 #1,864
If you want some facts, read this report from the European Centre for Disease Prevention and Control (EU). This is the latest update from 23 April. If you want to keep informed about how things are likely to progress in terms of life going back to normal, you should read this and check for updates. Of particular interest are pages 20 and 21. You can judge for yourself where Poland fits into the analysis and suggestions.

One takeaway from the earlier part of the report is:

"The risk of severe disease in the EU/EEA and UK is currently considered low for the general populationin areas where appropriate physical distancing measures are in place and/or where community transmission has been reduced and/or maintained at low levels.

The risk of severe disease in the EU/EEA and UK is currently considered moderate for the general population in areas where appropriate physical distancing measures are not in place and/or where community transmission is still high and ongoing."

And another less cheerful one at the end:

"This is not going to end anytime soon, and people need to prepare mentally for that. "

ecdc.europa.eu/en/publications-data/rapid-risk-assessment-coronavirus-disease-2019-covid-19-pandemic-ninth-update
PolAmKrakow 1 | 434
30 Apr 2020 #1,865
Just back from rynek. More than a dozen non essential stores have reopened. Not even counting all the lody shops that are already open. Zara setting up to reopen. Diesel has closed up shop and so have a few others. Went to the targ near my place. More than half the vendors are back, and the place was crowded. What are the police doing? Nothing but driving by. I think even the police for the most part are over all this.

@Atch

Caution yes. But this is a conservative government funded agency. They will always use excessive measures of caution. Not buying it any more, and it doesnt look like many others are now either.
Atch 17 | 3,224
30 Apr 2020 #1,866
One of the main issues in Poland is the very low level of testing being carried out. Poland ranks way down the listing. The problem with the Polish approach is that there is likely to be a big wave of infection after lifting restrictions and then they'll have to be reimposed.
PolAmKrakow 1 | 434
30 Apr 2020 #1,867
@Atch

This combined with science telling us it doesn't survive long in sunlight, I am prepared to take my chances in the sunny weather. I understand the concerns in confined spaces indoors. Absolutely be more careful. But outdoors, in the sun, with social distancing? I am simply not a believer.
johnny reb 23 | 4,518
30 Apr 2020 #1,868
They are finding that those tests are very inaccurate so what's the point of testing.

there is likely to be a big wave of infection after lifting restrictions

That is a given as people will get lackadaisical and let their guard down.
All it will take is one infected person at an indoor sporting event (80,000 plus) with circulating air for all those fans to take back home to their different cities.

Hide and watch.
Atch 17 | 3,224
30 Apr 2020 #1,869
outdoors, in the sun, with social distancing?

I agree with you, and it's a pity people can't be trusted to apply common sense as to when to use masks. They're mostly unnecessary outdoors and quite unhealthy in warm weather. Covering your face and not breathing properly can't be good. I've noticed that since people have been forced to wear masks, they're not distancing at all. Today I was out shopping and several people brushed against me in queues etc. I'd rather have the distancing and no masks.
Cargo pants 2 | 476
30 Apr 2020 #1,870
unnecessary outdoors and quite unhealthy in warm weather.

AS per Polish govt site:
children up to 4 years old,
people with breathing problems (no certificate is required),
people who cannot put on or take off their face covering by themselves because of their state of health (no certificate required),
So one can have breathing problems any time they want and can be gone as they want to wear one:)The tickets cops are issuing in Poland will be dismissed in court.

gov.pl/web/coronavirus/temporary-limitations
PolAmKrakow 1 | 434
30 Apr 2020 #1,871
@Cargo pants

Great find! I will have a friend prescribe an inhaler to carry with me just in case I am stopped! LOL
Cargo pants 2 | 476
30 Apr 2020 #1,872
Great find!

Nah get enrolled in "Smart Traveler Enrollment Program" STEP,and they send you mails everyday,sometimes 3/4 times if situation changes.
Bratwurst Boy 6 | 10,590
30 Apr 2020 #1,873
Pressured by China, E.U. Softens Report on Covid-19 Disinformation

nytimes.com/2020/04/24/world/europe/disinformation-china-eu-coronavirus.html

A revised report shows how Beijing reacts swiftly and effectively to tamp down Western criticism of its pandemic response.

So, the pussy german gov is not alone in sliming up to Peking....disgraceful boot licker, the whole lot of them! *goes vomiting*

Update:

That was probably to much arse kissing even for the EU! People are revolting...

MEPs say Borrell must explain why EU removed criticism of China in disinformation report

neweurope.eu/article/meps-say-borrell-must-explain-why-eu-removed-criticism-of-china-in-disinformation-report/

....Several MEPs in the European Parliament, coming from the European People's Party (EPP), the European Conservatives and Reformists and Renew Europe group requested that EU's foreign policy chief explains the outcome, after media reported with emerging evidence that the EU report was altered....

That might have been the one step to far for Peking...they might come to regret it...there might be still hope for the EU diplomats to gain some balls back!
Atch 17 | 3,224
30 Apr 2020 #1,874
AS per Polish govt site:

Yes I've already seen that.

The tickets cops are issuing in Poland will be dismissed in court.

"Lawyers advise not to dispute with the police and accept a fine for the violation. After that we can appeal the decision and the court will consider whether we really deserved the punishment. On the other hand, if we argue, we run the risk of police bringing the case to a sanitary department.If a police officer decides to initiate administrative proceedings and imposes a penalty, this decision is immediately enforceable. It means that the money will be taken straight away. The chances of getting it back will be slim. An administrative court is only allowed to rule on whether a sanitary officer followed the procedures correctly."
Dirk diggler 9 | 4,550
30 Apr 2020 #1,875
EU diplomats to gain some balls back!@ Bratwurst Boy

BWAHAHAHAHA that's never going to happen especially not the ones from western Europe. They're choosing being PC with China over the lives of their own citizens, then again they don't give a **** about them much in the first place just promoting their cultural Marxism ideology and money. The Eurocrats **** Europe up more than any other threat it faces.

pussy german gov

Merkel publicly refused to hold a German flag up that someone gave her throwing it aside in disgust instead and made a bull dyke is the defense minister, what do you expect from Germany? This is the country who's rulers say 75% unemployment among migrants is a success, a step in the right direction.

It means that the money will be taken straight away

Can't you just say you don't have any cash on you or cards and just to bill you?
jon357 63 | 15,214
30 Apr 2020 #1,876
Peking

Far too early to say how this one will play out.
Bratwurst Boy 6 | 10,590
30 Apr 2020 #1,877
It can get only better....at least some MEP's put their feet down now!

As it is that subservient behaviour isn't normal nor good for us! The EU has standards and values (or so it tells everybody and his grandmom all the time)....standards Red China ignores and breaks at whim...acting diametral against them, uncontested and even unquestioned by the free world, a criminal dictatorship and NOT our friends, allies or partner...and then that constant brown nosing and boot licking...it's just sick!

We make a laughing stock of ourselves, who should take us seriously anymore?
jon357 63 | 15,214
30 Apr 2020 #1,878
The EU has standards and values ........standards Red China ignores and breaks

This may well be a game changer; however changes in international relations are better when they're steady rather than too sudden. Nevertheless, the next few steps will be interesting.
delphiandomine 85 | 18,266
1 May 2020 #1,880
Can't you just say you don't have any cash on you or cards and just to bill you?

You can, but these penalties are a bit different. Normally you can either accept and pay within 14 days, or refuse and go to court. These ones - you can't refuse, you have to pay within 7/14 days or else. The courts are only able to decide if the correct procedure was followed, not whether you actually are guilty or not.

If you don't pay, then when you cross the Schengen border, you'll be flagged as wanted by Poland and detained. There are always cases every year where tourists are stopped at the border, and because unpaid fines require a court appearance, you can't just pay and go.
Spike31 3 | 1,637
1 May 2020 #1,881
So Sweden was praised by WHO as a model for the "new coronavirus normal"

foxnews.com/world/who-sweden-which-avoided-mass-coronavirus-lockdowns-should-be-model-for-the-world

thetimes.co.uk/article/sweden-is-a-model-for-the-new-coronavirus-normal-says-who-dd8fgw7d0

Apart of newspeak, or simply put a gabble, which is standard for WHO etatists they've admited that Swedish no-lockdown model was the best aproach for dealing with Chinese flu.

Coronavirus Apostles now need to start following the new teachings. Now: Sweden "gooood", the rest "baaaaad". Rinse and repeat
OP Braveheart16 18 | 195
1 May 2020 #1,882
With the many deaths and cases of Coronavirus in Poland, is it not time to thank the front line staff, doctors, nurses, care workers, ambulance drivers etc who are putting their lives at risk to save others. I haven't seen anything where the public are thanking these brave people when so much is being done in other european countries...in the UK it is heartening to see the public leave their homes and physically applaude the front liners every so often....it also serves as a motivator for everyone in lockdown.... It may be that on occasions the government has thanked front liners but are they actively looking at ways to encourage others to offer their thanks... Not sure that it is enough to include thanks in a news item.
rozumiemnic 8 | 3,848
1 May 2020 #1,883
Sorry but the clapping is stupid. Instead of a round of applause perhaps health care workers could be provided with better PPE. Or perhaps care home workers could have proper pay and contracts.

The other day there was a pic here in the UK of a load cops standing shoulder to shoulder on Westminster Bridge clapping. The rest of the time they are patrolling parks and the like stopping people from....being too close to each other.

You couldn't make it up.

It's no motivator it's a pain in the arse . At least in my area it's just a bit of clapping but in some places there are drums, fireworks and all sorts. Great for those with babies or pets...not.

For me the clapping is a diversion from what is really going on and a great opportunity for hypocritical virtue signalling.

On the other hand people do need a focus in such strange times. I spose here it captain Tom Moore.
mafketis 23 | 8,404
1 May 2020 #1,884
I haven't seen anything where the public are thanking these brave people

...and you won't. Quite the opposite many medical workers report being harassed outside of work (especially nurses).

The PiS government has no reason whatsoever to improve the healthcare system since doctors and nurses are too small constituency to bribe (and doctors and nurses being better educated mostly loathe PiS). And the PiS constituency of the ill-informed will vote for them anyway.

If they manage to install Prince Adrian for a second term look for the healthcare system to be punished with less and less funding (no matter what swill they feed to their propaganda outlets) while blaming the opposition and Tusk.
OP Braveheart16 18 | 195
1 May 2020 #1,885
rozumiemnic....perhaps health care workers could be provided with better PPE. Or perhaps care home workers could have proper pay and contracts.

I presume you are talking about Poland...I am sure in time they will be provided with better PPE/pay and contracts....but for the moment I would imagine like the UK they would find this show of affection uplifting and appreciative at a time when they are also working long hours and putting their lives at risk.

...It's no motivator it's a pain in the arse...

To the people applauding from their homes it is not a pain in the arse as you say...just a way of thanking front line workers for trying to save lives, in particular the lives of their loved ones...and yes I am sure this show of appreciation acts as a feel good factor for those in lockdown....

...For me the clapping is a diversion from what is really going on and a great opportunity for hypocritical virtue signalling...

....clapping is no diversion...it really is possible to multitask..(clapping and dealing with the virus at the same time)
jon357 63 | 15,214
1 May 2020 #1,886
Sorry but the clapping is stupid.

Yes. Better to support public-sector healthcare workers at the ballot box rather than clapping, or sponsoring charity endeavours. If donations, suburban shows of support etc are involved, it means those who run it have failed in their task.

Also calling them heroes. They don't want to die as heroes, they want to live on dignified wages.
OP Braveheart16 18 | 195
1 May 2020 #1,887
Mafketis.....I agree with you....and so sad to hear of these idiots harrassing health workers....those same people harrassing nurses etc will of course expect medical help (why bother just put them at the back of the queue)...double standards and they should be ashamed of themselves.....do the PIS have the balls to do anything about these assaults/harrassment...how can anyone vote for PIS when they just seem inept and out of touch when it comes to financing health care and when there is clear violation of peoples rights to work in a hospital to save lives and protect the same people who are harrassing them....farmyard mentality....
Atch 17 | 3,224
1 May 2020 #1,888
Poles are a cynical lot Braveheart and healthcare workers would meet public rounds of applause with a blank look or a shrug of the shoulders. They don't care about being 'appreciated', they want decent salaries and working conditions.
rozumiemnic 8 | 3,848
1 May 2020 #1,889
"I am sure in time they will be provided with PPE pay and contracts..."

Is this for real?

Meanwhile let's just give them a clap...
OP Braveheart16 18 | 195
1 May 2020 #1,890
rozumiemnic....Meanwhile let's just give them a clap...

Well....what would you do in the meantime...?


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