Coronavirus in Poland

And that would mean more people would have to die because of this lack of medical support who could have otherwise a chance to survive if the gov would had taken on tough counter measures to slow down the spreading....that's the situation right now in a nut shell.

So you've never had a Common Flu, which is far more widespread, in your life but you're affraid of Chinese Flu. The power of mass media.

@BratwurstBoy, it wasn't the "virus" that overwhelmed the system, it was the [irrational] reaction to it which did that...

Let's give it some more time perspective and discuss it later.

No such thing... the flue changes yearly and a vaccination against one strain of flu does not guarantee against another

That's my point. There never was any permanent cure for a mutating Flu virus. We can play this "game" forever

When you take into consideration that corona is hitting an immunologically virgin population it's easy to see it is at least 10 times as dangerous as the flu, and most likely a lot more.

The simple reality check is that we don't dig mass graves for the flu, or set up temporary morgues at ice rinks, or store corpses in refrigerator trucks, or lose as much as over 2% of a town's population to it.

Why do I bother, though... If at this point anyone's still a flu-bro that shows enough capacity to ignore reality on the ground, that it's unlikely anything anyone can say can get through it.

This is true; compounded by the fact that it's happening all at once and faster than any health system (or economy) can be expected to cope with.


Sadly there's no cure for deliberate ignorance (except a pool ball in a sock).

There's also a hell of a lot of tiresome people in this world that think it's something to do with 5g, or a plot by China, or Bill Gates wanting to brand people with the mark of the beast, or a cover for Trumpet rescuing something called 'mole children' from non-existent worldwide tunnels that converge under Central Park or probably an alien invasion too.

If only the world were that well-organised...

But there are many countries where the number of deaths are far lower than flu deaths - including Poland and most of its neighbors.

Are there any towns in the world that have lost more than 2 percent of inhabitants ? Not even Bergamo is anywhere near that.

So the new apocalyptic prediction is that there will be a worse second wave. There might be - just like the post Easter surge of Polish cases and the bodies piling up in the streets of Sweden, which we are still waiting for.

Of course some caution is needed but evidence is that we need to start opening stuff again. If you want to stay inside then fine.

The figures are as low as they are because of lockdown etc in affected areas.

If a town of 200,000 people lost an extra 5% in a short period on top of the normal mortality rate (plus a far higher percentage hospitalised and recovered), their hospital infrastructure wouldn't be able to cope. Nor would their funeral services, grieving families etc. And with neighbouring towns in the same situation, there wouldn't be any overspill resources to use.

And now, after meeting with attorneys this morning I learned something interesting about opening things back up here in Poland. The courts are sending out new calendars for hearings. This means open court houses and that means people moving about in a closer to normal way. Those dates begin Monday June 15.

FINALLY the Governor signed an Executive order here in Michigan that you WILL WEAR a mask or face cover or you don't get into a grocery store.

Now watch them try to enforce it and as jon said, "Sadly there's no cure for deliberate ignorance (except a pool ball in a sock)."

I liked that one jon.
In America One Million people have now tested positive. That means 100 million or more have had it.
Now they have another over the counter drug that they are looking at with hopes.
Famotidine: New York hospitals studying heartburn drug as Chinavirus treatment.

msn.com/en-us/health/health-news/famotidine-new-york-hospitals-studying-heartburn-drug-as-covid-19-treatment/ar-BB13fflX?li=BBnbfcL

Well thats a good start and hope in the confined areas in court rooms that the wearing of masks and social distancing will continue. There will probably be some sort of protocol on presenting cases when considering the use of masks....and handling evidence etc....

Wearing a mask is to prevent YOU from spreading it and only shows respect for your fellow human being.
And when those in a grocery store not wearing a mask get within my six feet of social distance I ram them with my trolley and tell them to "back off".

They don't want to respect me then I don't respect them.
Then the old stand by Snowflack pat explanation of, "Oh I am sorry" is followed by my, "So am I to be forced to enlighten you."

We are back to jon's remedy. (a pool ball in a sock)
Hopefully it will be made mandatory to wear a mask for the next year in grocery stores.
Restaurants and bars no, enter at your own risk with ALL employees having the option to wear one.
What ever happened to common sense ?

There won't be any restaurants or bars if this goes on much longer - problem solved

Already there are offers for restaurants and bars for sale esp on szukam-investora.com.offerty.OLX etc

That would be fine for me as I very seldom waste my money at them.
Might even get some of the fatties to learn how to cook.
Food that is not fried in grease smothered with cheese to hide the taste of cheap meat.
Speaking of meat, I see that they are predicting a meat shortage soon as several major meat packing plants have closed.
Now watch the panic on meat buying and the price increase. lol

So the solution should be one that all free market Americans can accept. Go to a bar if you want to. Stay at home if you want to.

Let freedom reign

@cms neuf

Could not agree more. Tourism, food, drink, museums, and all the business that is supported by tourists need a lot of help. The crisis shield? I went through all the paperwork today. Not so much of a shield. A lot of money for companies who really dont need it. Does very little to help the small business owner.

@Cargo pants

I made a half price offer on a place today. They asked if they could have until Friday to decide. Things are getting bad. More places will go up for sale in three days as the first of the month and rent comes due. Prediction that as many as 30% of small business will disappear if this gets to June without reopening.

It has just started my friend.
We are heading for the worst Depression that this country has ever seen and the world will go down with us.
I went for a drive yesterday up your way and there are houses on every block in every town for sale.
By next month there will be three times as many more and by the end of summer it will be a buyers heaven.
This makes me wonder, where in the hell are all these people going to go that can't afford their mortgage or insurances on them ??????

Back a few years ago here on the forum Ziemowit and I repeatedly warned people to get their debt and mortgages paid off as this Depression was inevitable.

This virus just sped it up.
Yes I read that about the crisis shield's money not going to the people that it was intended for, the small businesses.
Socialism is looking better to these people every day.

What country are you talking about? The topic is the Coronavirus in _Poland_ if you can't contribute to that topic then maybe go to some other thread (or start a Coronavirus in the US thread)

Doing research on 2008 and the effects in Poland, the real estate market did not crash like in USA. It plateaued for more than 2 years though and did not start a slow rise until late 2010. This will be much much worse than 2008 in Poland. For the first time in 30 years Poland will see values plummet. Do a little more research on the currency before 2008, zloty was very strong against the dollar. Now, its back to 2008 at more than 4 to 1.

@johnny reb

Very happy I had all my home improvements in MI finished before the holidays. Friends there are already in trouble. A certain ski resort already making contingency plans and refinancing debt to get through what one of their executives thinks will be a 50% drop off in winter sports use this year.

Only 11k cases and 500 dead and all of Poland is freaking out... That's less than in almost any large western metropolis let alone the rest of the country and yet the government makes it illegal to go grab a beer and some chips or ride your bike to the next town over. Totally nuts and quite frankly I'm ashamed that so many Poles are taking this laying down.

You can ride your bike now and I'm not sure but I think you can shop for whatever you feel I like if the store is open.

Have been driving around for work today and saw lots of shops getting busier, loads of people cycling and walking and even some kids in playgrounds.

Well I know just a few weeks ago a dude got punished for that. Cop saw him, deemed it not a necessity to leave the house just to get a beer and chips, and got a 500 z ticket. That's not a small amount in PL either. Some people have to work a whole week to earn that.

Either way, I feel that some countries especially Poland are taking this thing way overboard while others like China could've done way more especially at the beginning. I hope that the USA and EU ***** them over. Even the Africans are pissed at the Chinese now. The silly Chinese thought that by sending some masks to all these countries all would be forgotten and forgiven.

Yes it was a few weeks ago -I think a 5000 zloty fine.

The Police are lighter touch now - they have got sick of everybody abus No them I think. I'm some cases it was l Cal police bosses ordering them to collect fines.

The governments elections m strategy involves a long t of 3xtra work for the police and the postmen. So not sure how it will play out.

(kettle black ?)
Quit playing stupid and go back and you will see that I was replying to the previous post about the effects of the virus.
(Who the hell are you to shout orders anyways.....pffffft)
The Recession is being caused by the virus and Poland will pay just like the rest of the world when hyper inflation hits.
This is just one of many steps this virus will cause in Poland and world wide.
Now go back and read your post after mine and tell us what you contributed to this topic besides a p ssy little temper tantrum rant that had nothing to do with the topic. lol

@cms neuf
I've heard of low end fines at 500 z's all the way up to like 30k z's if someone has corona and is walking around not abiding by self-quarantine.

@johnny reb
Yeah the recession is going to be world-wide that's for sure. Still though, I think some stocks will rally in the short run once the shelter orders are removed up to the end of summer going into fall and the election. Luckily, Trump doesn't have any serious competition and I think he's going to win the 2020 election. That will boost confidence a lot. But in that time period from now to the election it'll be rough overall.

The fines are for any breach of restrictions, whether you have the virus or not. If, for example you walk around in public without your face mask, you can get a 500zl on the spot fine from the police but if they want to be complete b&stards, they can pass the information of your breach onto the santiary inspector and then the fine is up to 30,000zl.

The streets are pretty normal at the moment in Warsaw except for people wearing the masks. I've seen a few people with their masks pulled down smoking a fag or eating or drinking but pretty much everybody is wearing one, even the old winos have a scarf or whatever they can get hold of. Traffic seems to be getting heavier by the day too. The only really quiet time was when the first two week quarantine thing was on the go and everybody behaved like complete eejits, panic buying and emptying the shelves of loo paper and handwash. The face masks are bloody ridiculous when you're walking down an empty street but anyway, we have to put up with it. And there are definitely more police wandering around the place so it's not wise to risk going without your mask.

The longer the quarantine last the weaker collective immunological system will become


Sure, they don't do those publicity stunts for common flu, heart attack, stroke or cancer victims. There's much more of them dying on a regular basis but they're not 'trendy' and their death doesn't cause mass hysteria which can be consumed in various ways by media and by those in power.

Widzisz przedstawienie a nie widzisz gry

You do realise that the pandemic is as well as the normal yearly death toll, not instead of it. And that the death toll (and need for medical treatment, and issues of sick leave in industry, commerce and the public sector etc) is kept as low as it is because of the lockdown...

Evidently not.

300-600k people a year die from the flu worldiwde, 200k died of corona. In the winter of 2019-2020 there were an estimated 3 million "flu" cases in the US. We're at 1 mil in USA with corona. It's totally blown out of proportion. Yeah, I get that it really screws up some peoples' lungs and they can die from it especially the elderly. However, 15-20% of people are asymptomatic and only around 1% of people actually die from it.

There's a picture/video making it's way around the media with a bunch of black people at a house party all crammed up right against each other and of course it's in Chicago lololol