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Coronavirus in Poland


johnny reb 23 | 4,497
25 Apr 2020 #1,741
Nothing else matters but the election and keeping puppets in office.

What do you think the Democrats are doing to Trump in America ?
The same thing as they have done nothing to help the people and are keeping things shut down so the economy is in ruins by election time in November.

These politicians in desperation will destroy their country to gain power.
There are a lot of people out there that would like to see America fail but if we go down, the world goes down.
And don't think the people don't know what is going on just like Poland does.
Only difference is that gun sales are up 800% here in the United States.
Once these people start suffering financial and emotional ruins and are forced to the soup lines things are going to get real nasty.
PolAmKrakow 1 | 433
25 Apr 2020 #1,742
@johnny reb

Funny you say that. I just had a conversation this morning with a friend and said if the USA isn't open for business soon, people will take to the streets and it wont be to just protest. Soon you will see people just opening their business back up and disobeying these orders. It wont take much longer. I think all governments know that there is only so much people will take. The difference between Poland and USA in the case is in USA a lot more people have guns and the Police know it too. Soon they will be forced into attacking their neighbors by trying to shut their business in order with political rules, or looking the other way because they know people need to work and eat too. Hard choices are not far away.
Atch 17 | 3,224
25 Apr 2020 #1,743
Szumowski said today that they expect the peak in Poland in either September, October or November.
mafketis 23 | 8,381
25 Apr 2020 #1,744
I call bvllsh|t.... there's no way the whole economy needs to be shut down for this very undangerous illness... your beloved R0 rate is declining just about every European country (are the figures the irish government gives out on a 5, 7, 9, 11, 13 or 15 day infectious range? (the rates change somewhat in most countries)

Some lockdown was a good idea but there's less and less reason for it... (especially since the virus does poorly in sunlight)...

I smell a con....
Atch 17 | 3,224
26 Apr 2020 #1,745
your beloved R0 rate is declining just about every European country

Exactly. It's been steadily declining in Poland too, although the government hasn't made clear whether they're differentiating between the general population and the clusters. The R0 is different for each but regardless, PIS is spouting rubbish. My belief is that they want to keep the 'epidemic' vibe going until they get Duda re-elected. Then they'll reopen the economy pretty quickly. The disaster of nursing home/residential care clusters will be largely ignored/mismanaged and they'll just let the old people/disabled die in their droves and fudge the numbers. They'll probably make some effort to sort out care settings where children are living because abuse or wilful neglect of children always causes an outcry in the developed world.

are the figures the irish government gives out

Every day they give the number of confirmed cases, the number of deaths, the median age of deaths, the number of cases in hospital, the number of cases in ICU, the number on ventilators, the number of vacant beds in the country, the number of vacant ICU beds, the number recovered, the number of test results awaiting verification and the R0 number. They also give the number of clusters broken down by type of setting. 14 days is the incubation period according the Health Service Executive of Ireland.
PolAmKrakow 1 | 433
26 Apr 2020 #1,746
Talk about keeping the borders closed beyond mid May is absolutely crazy. Now that it looks like other non essential shops will be able to reopen in about 2 or 3 weeks, you will see things accelerate after that. Just long enough to control the political environment. Speaking to another friend here who owns a travel agency today, he said once things open up here it will be a 4 to 6 week delay before people outside of neighboring countries will come to Poland. That kind of delay will absolutely have more business operations closing up. The small business owners with small shops are getting crushed.

Imagine the people who have these little craft business, how they got hurt with no Easter markets around the country? When this comes back in winter, what about Christmas markets? Will there be another rush to shut down the country? I dont think so. I think next time, its masks in public and every man for himself in most countries.
johnny reb 23 | 4,497
26 Apr 2020 #1,747
they expect the peak in Poland in either September, October or November.

And in reality that will be extended month by month for the next 18 months until we get a vaccine.
The World Health Organization is warning that people who have had the China virus are not necessarily immune by the presence of antibodies from getting the virus again.

This means that more people will die in round two then did in round one because the self centered self serving will spread this without concern or respect for others.

Mass transportation (planes, trains and subways) makes it impossible to social distance in the big cities and that will be the dilemma of the spread.
PolAmKrakow 1 | 433
26 Apr 2020 #1,748
The "peak" expected by a minister that is pushing PiS election agenda. When experts around the world are saying the USA, particularly NYC is in or past peak? How could Poland's "peak" still be so far away when we had it before NYC? Enough of the fear mongering. People simply need to be careful.
Joker 1 | 1,574
26 Apr 2020 #1,749
When experts around the world are saying the USA,

The experts are saying now that the Chinese knew that this virus was going to devastate their country and economy. Instead of trying to contain the virus they decided to spread it around the world, so they wouldn't suffer the economic disaster alone.

It seem like an act of war against the world. They could have stopped the flights, but used the w.h.o. that is in their back pocket to cover for them.
cms neuf - | 1,588
26 Apr 2020 #1,750
Which experts ? The same ones that Dettol Donald has been listening to ?
johnny reb 23 | 4,497
26 Apr 2020 #1,751
People simply need to be careful.

You know what happens when you try "to be careful" when you are having unprotected sex ?
I prefer to self sacrifice a little longer so others may live a little longer.
The ones doing all the howling may just have to lower their standards a tad and show some respect for humanity.
Horrors !
Bratwurst Boy 6 | 10,583
26 Apr 2020 #1,752
The experts are saying now that the Chinese knew that this virus was going to devastate their country and economy.

The SPIEGEL writes today that Berlin has acknowledged that there had been secret tries by chinese diplomats to influence german officials to report more positive about the chinese handling of the Corona virus...

spiegel.de/politik/deutschland/china-kontaktiert-heimlich-deutsche-beamte-a-69a96c50-391e-4a16-b49a-21dc6ee9af3b

I guess they had some success. The Merkel gov hasn't exactly gone out of it's way to put the blame where it belongs!
PolAmKrakow 1 | 433
26 Apr 2020 #1,753
@johnny reb

I think you hit it on the head. You prefer to self sacrifice. That's honorable. But if I own a small business, and I want to go back to work, and I am healthy, not forcing other employees to work, but healthy adults who want to return to work should be able to make that choice themselves.

Protective measures, when action is taken at appropriate times are great. All world leaders did nothing even when they knew this was coming. They waited till it hit and then reacted. How long should a persons rights, and liberty be taken from them because his government initially failed to protect him?

Have you seen all the hoops a company has to go through to get some of this shield money? All of the "qualifications"?

China should be held accountable. Then again, any politician that knew this was coming should also be held accountable.
johnny reb 23 | 4,497
26 Apr 2020 #1,754
That explains why Germany was more prepared then the rest of the countries in the E.U.
Nice of them to have shared this information that China shared with them in secret.
cms neuf - | 1,588
26 Apr 2020 #1,755
They got the information at the same time as all the other countries - but they acted on it, partly though having a more experienced and serious leader.

Dettol Donald was still denying it existed, said it was just the flu and a Democrat plot.
Boris was missing 5 meetings to discuss preparing for the virus that almost killed him.
Bratwurst Boy 6 | 10,583
26 Apr 2020 #1,756
I agree....that article is about China wanting to get a better PR from Germany AFTER the sh*it hit the fan....I doubt we got some beforehand info!

The voices inside the german government who thought that virus "no worse than the flu" had been marginal and short lived from the beginning, compared to Britain and the US.
Torq 32 | 2,999
26 Apr 2020 #1,757
China should answer for what they did; what was reported already, about misinformation, covering up, false data etc. is enough to hold them accountable, and there may be more to it!

In any case, the bulk of European production in China must return to Europe - we rely on them too much.
AntV 2 | 192
26 Apr 2020 #1,758
I find the argument of whether or not government leaders acted fast enough to be foolish. Nobody, including scientists, had any real idea of how damaging this virus would be when it emerged. They only knew it was different.

It's still hard to tell whether shutting down everything is the right thing to have done, IMO (maybe it was, maybe it wasn't). Look at Sweden, they didn't shut down, yet their infection and mortality rates are not exorbitant compared to the rest of the West--some countries fared better than Sweden, some worse.

IMO, the one thing that coronamania has proven is:

China should answer for what they did...

bulk of European [and North American} production in China must return to Europe [and North America} - we rely on them too much

OP Braveheart16 18 | 195
26 Apr 2020 #1,759
I see that in Florida it would seem that isolation is over....lots of people sunbathing, swimming...everything has returned to normal it seems....I guess the virus is over !...remarkable turnaround...and with virus cases so low in USA with deaths so low also....great to see that there is a country willing to take on the virus and beat it.....how lucky we are to have such a responsible mentor for the rest of the world.....
Joker 1 | 1,574
26 Apr 2020 #1,760
misinformation, covering up, false data etc. is enough to hold them accountable, and there may be more to it!

Lets not forget were dealing with a Communist Chinese government. They dont care at all about human rights or the planet, just themselves.

Nobody, including scientists, had any real idea of how damaging this virus would be when it emerged

They knew it could be spread through human to human contact and still the Chinks and the W.H.O. covered it up and let it spread across the globe.

Trump was right to not fund this crooked organization any longer.

Any scientist in China that has spoken out, has amazingly disappeared!

influence german officials to report more positive about the chinese handling of the Corona virus...

They do the same thing in the USA, but the leftie news media tows the line on Chinese propaganda. Its disgusting to actually watch CNN or NBC etc.....
Torq 32 | 2,999
26 Apr 2020 #1,761
Lets not forget were dealing with a Communist Chinese government.

Exactly. That's basically what Chinese government is - a bloody communist regime. Yet, the entire world is more than happy to do business with them. Mind boggles.
Crow 139 | 8,583
26 Apr 2020 #1,762
Chinese government is - a bloody communist regime.

No. Its mandarine society. Classical mandarines. Man, its their way of capitalism. When they join with Taiwan it would become official.
Spike31 3 | 1,625
26 Apr 2020 #1,763
I'm just waiting for all the Flu Apocalypse Apostoles to admit they they've been fooled by the media and they've made fools of themselves.

Or maybe it's too early and they need more time to make up their minds?

Nah, who am I kidding, It's not going to happen :-)
jon357 63 | 15,214
26 Apr 2020 #1,764
The article here talks about the danger of a resurgence in Germany; that is what the public health experts rightly fear, a resurgence that will swamp healthcare facilities.

mandarines

Too orangey for crows.
Bratwurst Boy 6 | 10,583
26 Apr 2020 #1,765
The article here talks about the danger of a resurgence in Germany;

Yeah....the talk is all about a possible (and worse) second wave!
Spike31 3 | 1,625
26 Apr 2020 #1,766
Of course, silly me, Second Wave Apocalypse Apostoles :-)
Bratwurst Boy 6 | 10,583
26 Apr 2020 #1,767
Yeah...well...I'm waiting for a cure first anyhow...only then it's over (till the next pandemia)...
Spike31 3 | 1,625
26 Apr 2020 #1,768
Remind me: is there a permanent cure for a Common Flu which is omnipresent since the dawn of civilisation and kills a lot of old, sick people?
Bratwurst Boy 6 | 10,583
26 Apr 2020 #1,769
There is vacccine and medication but I never had the Flu myself so I'm not an expert....and I don't remember our health system being overwhelmed with Flu sick or medical personal and nurses dying from it or our old care homes becoming mass graves from it...so...

Old and sick people die...you are correct....but there ist dying and there is dying. It's like people die anyhow also in peace...and then there is a full blown out war...it's like comparing the dead people in war and peace times and just shrug and wonder where the difference is.

But there is a difference, right?
jon357 63 | 15,214
26 Apr 2020 #1,770
I never had the Flu myself

I had Swine Flu when there was an epidemic about a decade ago. It is not something that I'd ever want to repeat.

But there is a difference

A massive difference to any country's resources if it all happened at once, hence the lockdown to delay and manage the progress. There is no country on earth that could handle so many people getting seriously sick at the same time.


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