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delphiandomine 85 | 18,266
19 Apr 2020 #1,591
I went to pick up some parcels this evening, and about half the people on the streets weren't wearing masks. It's clear that people are breaking, and with the rise in infections, the next few days could actually see things get worse, not better.

What's concerning is that a lot of people not wearing them are poorer and in worse health.
jon357 63 | 15,214
19 Apr 2020 #1,592
about half the people on the streets weren't wearing masks

Round here, almost everyone who goes outside has either got a mask on or a scarf over their face. That can only be a good thing.

with the rise in infections, the next few days could actually see things get worse

This is likely. A fortnight after Easter and the week or so after that is the real danger.
cms neuf - | 1,589
19 Apr 2020 #1,593
How do you work that out ? two weeks ago nobody had masks and it was still only a few hundred infections a day.

I sat outside a McDonald's today having a coffee with my mask off and some moron over the loudspeaker told me to put my mask on - how am I supposed to drink the coffee they just sold me ?
jon357 63 | 15,214
19 Apr 2020 #1,594
two weeks ago

Easter.

how am I supposed to drink the coffee they just sold me ?

With difficulty. I thought they were drive-in only now. Our local one is.
cms neuf - | 1,589
19 Apr 2020 #1,595
Yes it was a drive in at a gas station so I sat on a bench - following govt other advice to take a 15 minute fresh air break every two hours of driving - road deaths will still dwarf virus deaths in Poland this year !
Ziemowit 13 | 4,075
19 Apr 2020 #1,596
Sounds reasonable. I don't know that man, but I do agree with his statement.

No, it didn't sound reasonable. The man said the virus was a purely Chinese thing and it would never come to Poland. You agree with his statement, don't you?

You really are a bit of an idiot aren't you?

jon357 63 | 15,214
19 Apr 2020 #1,597
That's very sensible. I ordered a MaccyD's for delivery today; it's a little touch of normality during lockdown.
Ziemowit 13 | 4,075
19 Apr 2020 #1,598
Sorry, I was wrong. The study (University of Stanford) has revealed that the number is 50 to 85 times higher than the number officialy registered.

rp.pl/Zdrowie-/304199982-Chorych-na-koronawirusa-moze-byc-50-razy-wiecej-niz-sadzono.html
mafketis 23 | 8,404
19 Apr 2020 #1,599
about half the people on the streets weren't wearing masks

I went for a walk late afternoon and around 5 to 10 percent weren't wearing masks (or had their noses uncovered or had pulled it down below their mouth). I yelled "Maska!" at a jogger who passed me but she didn't seem to pay any attention...
Joker 1 | 1,586
20 Apr 2020 #1,600
I went for a walk late afternoon and around 5 to 10 percent

I went to Home Depot to buy lumber about 1/2 the ppl weren't wearing masks. I had mine on!
johnny reb 23 | 4,518
20 Apr 2020 #1,601
It's a total joke here.
The governor has put an executive order in place that everyone wear a mask in a grocery store and the grocery stores are not enforcing it with maybe 25% of the people wearing one.

I had to ram several people with my shopping trolley while grocery shopping when they ignored social distancing.
Their mentality is, "Give me Liberty or give me Corona 19."
PolAmKrakow 1 | 434
20 Apr 2020 #1,602
Yesterday was yet another "Sunday spike" in numbers yes. Another infected retirement home in Silesia. The daily numbers are really a report of the day before or two days before. While they are good numbers to examine they sure aren't daily totals of new infections.

We have had the stay at home order for a month now. These infections are really coming in clusters. If walking outside without a mask was really dangerous, the infection rate for the last month would have skyrocketed a week or two ago.

I would bet too that the infection rate is much higher than we know. Maybe 50% of the population has had it. The only way to know is more tests. Production of tests takes time. Testing is as much diagnosis as it is prevention. Continuing to react with restrictions isn't going to lead to a solution. It will lead to mail in elections and continued clusters.
Ziemowit 13 | 4,075
20 Apr 2020 #1,603
I would bet too that the infection rate is much higher than we know. Maybe 50% of the population has had it

Indeed. As my post (#1,598) above says, a Californian study makes it clear that the infection rate is 50 to 85 times higher than the numbers we know. So it is not necessarily half of the population infected in Poland yet, but possibly true for other countries.

This means that the virus is extremely contagious and all our precautions are not necessary for the bulk of the population, but may increase the chances for helping those who are truly vulnerable and may not survive the virus' attack by themselves. It also means that the vast majority of people will be getting a natural vaccine without ever noticing any "vacination".
johnny reb 23 | 4,518
20 Apr 2020 #1,604
it clear that the infection rate is 50 to 85 times higher than the numbers we know.

I stated that back in post #1192 Ziemowit and in several other posts since.
More people than not have been exposed to this virus meaning like PolAa stated:

Maybe 50% of the population has had it.

I suggest 80% have been exposed to it.
And 80% of them don't even know they have had it, 15% had symptoms and 5% died.
Even those who never experienced symptoms and die months later of natural causes that are found to have had it are counted as dying from the virus which raises the body count.

Now get ready for the next threat to your life because of this virus.
When the vaccine does come out we will be used as guinea pigs by our governments mandatory executive order that we ALL get booted up with the vaccine weather we want who knows what injected into our bodies or not.

And like the ineffective flu shots they will tell us that this new vaccine shot "may" keep the symptoms in a mild stage so we won't die.

Get ready as the sheep will follow but you can bet I won't be getting an anti vaccine anytime soon.
Let them test them on the Chinese people first.
PolAmKrakow 1 | 434
20 Apr 2020 #1,605
And now scientists are saying that telling people to stay at home, with family members, to self isolate is exactly what caused all the deaths in Spain, Italy, France etc. Clearly the idea of quarantine is not the brightest one. Masks in the beginning would have been smart. Lock the borders like they did was smart, and closing off air travel also smart. Social distancing for a month after those actions smart. The rest of this now though is simply over kill. Not even 10,000 documented cases in a country of more than 30 million? Less than 400 deaths?

I am all behind safety measures when the threat is real and very dangerous. While this is clearly a serious thing for at risk groups, it is not the black plague, spanish flu or small pox.
mafketis 23 | 8,404
20 Apr 2020 #1,606
to self isolate is exactly what caused all deaths in Spain, Italy, France

To be fair Europe had to try to figure out how to deal with this all on its own since the Chinese Communist party had done all it could to keep the world ignorant of what was going on and WHO was acting like china's b|+ch (which it is) and being as unhelpful as possible.

A scientific approach is going to party be trial and error, it's important not to get too attached to any one theory until a lot of data is in...

I think the emerging picture is that for most people masks in public helps prevent spread and that self-quarantining doesn't necessarily help the most vulnerable...
johnny reb 23 | 4,518
20 Apr 2020 #1,607
Excellent post mafketis

While this is clearly a serious thing for at risk groups, it is not the black plague, spanish flu or small pox.

Seious for at risk ?
Do you think this five year old girl was included in that group.
The youngest person claimed by COVID-19 in Michigan died yesterday.
Skylar Herbert lost her battle at only 5 years old.
"We decided to take her off the ventilator today because her improvement had stopped, the doctors told us that it was possible she was brain dead, and we basically just knew she wasn't coming back to us," LaVondria Herbert, Skylar's mother, told the Detroit News.

She had been on a ventilator for a month.
For some reason I think if this was your granddaughter you may be thinking a tad different then you and the people out on the beaches are.
mafketis 23 | 8,404
20 Apr 2020 #1,608
Do you think this five year old girl was included in that group.

Didn't the child already have meningitis?

If not, then any disease has a few inexplicable outliers, but it's not a good idea to base policy on them (as sad as such cases are).
PolAmKrakow 1 | 434
20 Apr 2020 #1,609
@johnny reb

Terrible about the child yes. Even right to lifers in Texas though aren't going to stop the country over this. The Republican party itself would send condolences but , lets open Texas Roadhouse so we can eat together would be the next sentence. Should millions of people suffer uncounted financial difficulties for a few? Lets not turn extremist in the views.
Spike31 3 | 1,637
20 Apr 2020 #1,610
The threat isn't real, especially not in Poland. Statistically speaking trendy virus counts for less than 1% of deaths in Poland. It's such a great opportunity to open an economy and get an upper hand over more developed countries.

Unfortunately, when it comes to Chinese flu, a PiS government is as stupid as most EU goverments. I get that in democracy politicians have to take into account the voice of, often irrational, masses but they will quickly realize that those same masses who now want "protection" from government against mass media virus will be the first to hang them by their balls when the economy collapse and unemployment levels rise.

There's no cure for fools.
johnny reb 23 | 4,518
20 Apr 2020 #1,611
I suggest 80% have been exposed to it.

Tonight on the news they finally have admitted (after they have known all along) that people are now testing 55% higher then they first told us.

Just as I have been posting here now for weeks.
It is now looking like this virus has been around a lot longer then they are admitting to. (September ?)
I caught it March 8th and wanted to be tested to confirm it and was told they only had enough test kits for health care workers and law enforcement.

They didn't test me because they knew this virus was running ramped and didn't want to panic the public.
Now that the curve has flattened there are all kinds of those test available.
Today people want to be tested to see if they have had it and if they are immuned and Trump claims there are all kinds of testing out there for that.

Again, just like the first test, nobody knows where all these tests are at or where they can be tested. More lies.
A separate estimate from Harvard University researchers says the U.S. must conduct between 500,000 and 700,00 tests per day by mid-May to begin reopening.
How is that going to happen ?
Its starting to look to me like the they just wanted to flatten the curve so health care would not be overwhelmed and now that it has they are just going to let the cards fall where they may by putting people back to work in fear of one of the worst Depressions this world has ever seen.

So in short it has come down to every man for himself as in depopulation of the world.
I'm afraid that we haven't seen the worst of this yet.
PolAmKrakow 1 | 434
21 Apr 2020 #1,612
I read that testing in USA need to be ramped up to 350K per day to really know the extent of this. I wonder who owns stock in these companies making these tests?

In Poland, Mondays numbers around 300, I would expect that 300 to 400 average for this week and then dropping next week. Look at the numbers, while all the social distancing has certainly helped, this is not the global killer that it was made out to be.

Had governments acted when they knew about this, none of this panic would have taken place. Now they want to get things restarted because they screwed up. Soon, some economies will pass a point of no return and totally collapse. Just watching things in Krakow, the hospitality business is getting crushed. 34 eateries for sale last week, over 70 this week. Guidance from industry experts yesterday says dining out will not be back to normal until August or September for inside dining. Social distancing dining may be in place by July for indoor settings. This will decimate places. I am looking at these and use it simply as a point of reference.
cms neuf - | 1,589
21 Apr 2020 #1,613
What is ridiculous is that the govt is throwing more and more roadblocks in the way of anybody who wants financial support - the end result is that only a handful of businesses will get it.

Even to defer your ZUS it's a 14 page form, the end result of which is that your I probably won't be entitled to the deferral.

I'm paying my ZUS but not my other taxes - I'm happy to pay them with interest when this finished but in the he meantime I want the money in my bank account as I don't know how long this will go in for and I have lots of mouths to feed.

If there is an Eastereffect on cases we should be seeing it now if the incubation period is 5-14 days then we are halfway through it.

There are so many people in the forests at the moment that o won't be surprised if they stand up soon and say that we can't go there again.
PolAmKrakow 1 | 434
21 Apr 2020 #1,614
@cms neuf

Exactly, the whole ZUS thing was a waste of time. Money to business? Where? I see more places for sale every hour here. Now they say maybe I can get a haircut sometime around May 3 or May 11? We can pick a date for haircuts, and physical contact, but we cant pick a date for outdoor garden pubs to have separated customers? We cant pick a date for hotels to open?

The problem with politicians. Almost none of them have ever had anything at risk in operating a business. They are almost all civil servants who have milked a paycheck from peoples taxes their entire lives. They have no idea how business actually works. Just like the college graduates applying for jobs with their "business" or "management" degree's who are next to useless in real world applications.

That said. Its a great time to have some cash. Picking up a business here and there is pretty easy now.
Crow 139 | 8,609
21 Apr 2020 #1,615
Serbia's economy to be least affected by coronavirus crisis in CEE - Erste Group analyzes

> seenews.com/news/serbias-economy-to-be-least-affected-by-coronavirus-crisis-in-cee-erste-693049

Serbia ...... least affected by the coronavirus crisis in Central and Eastern Europe (CEE), ...... contract by just about 2.3% in 2020, Erste Group said.

Erste's CEE region also comprises the economies of Slovakia, Poland, Hungary and Czechia.

Torq 32 | 2,999
21 Apr 2020 #1,616
Central and Eastern Europe (CEE)

You meant Central European Empire (CEE)?
Spike31 3 | 1,637
21 Apr 2020 #1,618
No Oktoberfest this year! :(

So the German government is planning to play this Chinese flu comedy at least until September?

Yes, the governments won't let go of "pandemia" so easily, it's too good to be true. They can make any changes now and no one will even protest because "coronavirus". And those who would protest will be lynched by the masses. There's no cure for fools

Meanwhile the oil prices dipped below zero and no one even noticed

theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/20/oil-prices-sink-to-20-year-low-as-un-sounds-alarm-on-to-covid-19-relief-fund
PolAmKrakow 1 | 434
21 Apr 2020 #1,619
Munich was going in the toilet before cancelling Octoberfest. Now I just heard a huge flushing sound. I appreciate Germany being conservative, cancelling all official events, but I really doubt business owners wont hold their own festival. Maybe its just a way of diverting money to medical needs.
jon357 63 | 15,214
21 Apr 2020 #1,620
Meanwhile the oil prices dipped below zero and no one even noticed

People noticed.


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