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Coronavirus in Poland


Cargo pants 2 | 470
18 Apr 2020 #1,531
I will wear mine but only when I feel like i

Not worth the risk man,I have problem breathing after wearing for 15 minutes,so I changed to disposable ones without filter.I dont like it but I would like to live forever.
Spike31 3 | 1,610
18 Apr 2020 #1,532
delivered most stupid and condescending remarks toward the pandemia some weeks ago

Oh, yeah. In the wake of Italian dead bodies counting show he said that "we've fighting with an invisible enemy. That enemy is panic and uncontrolled emotions" [in a mass media]

Sounds reasonable. I don't know that man, but I do agree with his statement.
johnny reb 23 | 4,467
18 Apr 2020 #1,533
Well the beaches of Florida were the first things ordered back open in the U.S.A.
Jacksonville beach opened last evening.
Trump 2020 !

There is no immunity offered by having had it, sadly.

Data is slowly trickling in to confirm that Grandma Roz.

msn.com/en-us/health/health-news/recovered-coronavirus-patients-are-testing-positive-again-can-you-get-reinfected/ar-BB12OkVc?li=BBnb7Kz
Paulwiz 1 | 70
18 Apr 2020 #1,534
@Atch

I've composed a Coronavirus ditty.

You are my nomination for PF Poet Laureate.
Cargo pants 2 | 470
18 Apr 2020 #1,535
Following is the message i got from ACW
Several drive-through COVID-19/coronavirus testing centers have opened up around Poland. You must pay for the tests online at this website, and bring the code you receive to thetest center you have selected. Locations in Warsaw, Poznań and Łódź are using CDC recommended PCR technology for accurate testing of COVID-19. The testing offered in Krakow uses antibody testing which is not recommended at this time due to accuracy concerns. Neither the Polish nor the U.S. governments have implemented a requirement to be tested. The CDC website offers some factors to take into consideration when deciding whether or not to be tested.
Atch 17 | 3,221
18 Apr 2020 #1,536
You are my nomination for PF Poet Laureate.

Ah well, you have to keep smiling, even behind the mask!

The CDC website offers some factors to take into consideration when deciding whether or not to be tested.

It's a disgrace that you should have to rely on their website for guidance. Guidance should be clearly available to everybody in Poland from the Polish government regarding testing. And some provision should be made for people either living or stranded in Poland, who don't speak Polish fluently, to be provided with that information. As for having to pay for tests, you must be joking. It's the repsonsibility of the government to provide testing free of charge at this time. If people can afford a voluntary donation and want to make it, fine, othewise there should be no charge.
johnny reb 23 | 4,467
18 Apr 2020 #1,537
The CDC website offers some factors to take into consideration when deciding whether or not to be tested.

As in what type of personal biometric information you must give up to the government for their safe keeping. :-/
(More privacy freedoms lost)

. As for having to pay for tests, you must be joking.

Please post the website to pay for these tests and just how much these tests are going to cost.
cms neuf - | 1,573
18 Apr 2020 #1,538
The link that Cargo posted - tests cost 584 zloty. A weeks wages for a working Pole but maybe worth it if you want to travel etc.

I don't know the accuracy of that test but at 60 zloty I would hope it's in the high 90s !
johnny reb 23 | 4,467
18 Apr 2020 #1,539
These tests are testing with 100% accuracy.

The ones in the USA are 100% accurate so I would imagine they are the same ones in Poland.
A weeks wages is extortion.
Cargo pants 2 | 470
18 Apr 2020 #1,540
lol nope ,I leave that browser for troubled times to sign on.WINK!
Spike31 3 | 1,610
18 Apr 2020 #1,541
Even the mainstream media has started to speak more reasonably

"1100 people die everyday in Poland. Coronavirus kills only 1% of them. We have to reboot the economy unless we want to see more people dying on a daily basis. For 99,98% of Poles risk of getting sick with coronavirus is a TV abstraction"

money.pl/gospodarka/dziennie-umiera-1100-osob-koronawirus-odpowiada-za-1-proc-6500790258727041a.html

I guess selling panic has started to become less profitable. Good direction, anyway.
Ironside 49 | 10,282
18 Apr 2020 #1,542
Let say that at this point there is nothing that can be done but whit just little bit more.
Here for all forced to sit on their backside in home:
memory o sunny days and song from the time before the plague, after all we are only passers by anyways:
youtu.be/oxqnFJ3lp5k
johnny reb 23 | 4,467
19 Apr 2020 #1,543
I guess selling panic has started to become less profitable

We thought that when George W. Bush was trying to tell America back in 2005 to get of their dead ass and prepare for a pandemic as we had nothing stock piled.

Nobody listened.
That is the first u-tube video.
The second video that follows is Trump saying that he is not happy with China's lies that continue about the virus.
Listen and learn.

youtube.com/watch?v=VanAQQmzcdw
Atch 17 | 3,221
19 Apr 2020 #1,544
The link that Cargo posted - tests cost 584 zloty. A weeks wages for a working Pole

Back in February the Minister for Heath, Szumanowski said:

"Every citizen and person residing in Poland who requires tests will have them done free of charge. I don't agree to any commercial actions."

So, does anybody know the state of affairs at present??
gumishu 11 | 5,155
19 Apr 2020 #1,545
So, does anybody know the state of affairs at present??

at the moment tests are not available to everybody who wants to have them - it would cause logisitic problems as Polish laboratories are currently able to perform around 13 thousands of tests daily and you can only imagine how many people would want a test if it were available to everyone

as far as I know those tests that ARE performed are performed free of charge and that Polish institutions make them free of charge
Atch 17 | 3,221
19 Apr 2020 #1,546
tests are not available to everybody who wants to have them

Nor should they be. That's a silly waste of resources. But assessment should be available as to whether you need to be tested.

Coronavirus kills only 1% of them.

The fatality rate is not the issue. It's the contagion rate and the wider implications of that.

The second issue is that because of the contagion rate and the particular ease with which the elderly catch it, there are nests of infection where the virus is raging and where people are suffering and dying in the most unpleasant circumstances, without adequate care and with no family or loved ones by their side. Ever heard of human compassion Spike?

Added to that, hospitals in Poland are rampant with the virus and those who are there with serious medical conditions such as heart, liver, kidneys etc are likely to catch it very easily and die as a result.

For 99,98% of Poles risk of getting sick with coronavirus is a TV abstraction"

You really are a bit of an idiot aren't you? Around 20% of the population of Poland is aged 65 or over. There is a very good chance of them catching it because of the contagion rate.

The third issue is that with up to 20% of cases needing hospital care and around 6% of those needing to be in ICU, and without sufficient medical staff, the health service is under enormous strain and people who have other serious medical conditions are being left untreated. This will lead to further deaths.

The issue is NOT the fatality rate of Covid-19, it's the contagion rate and the grip it has on hospitals and community care settings.

Incidentally did anybody read the pathetic news about the authorities trying to recruit 120 registered but non-practising doctors from the register for Mazowieckie? Ninety of them supplied sick notes and failed to show up. Hippocratc oath my arse but then what can you expect with attitudes like Spike's?
mafketis 23 | 8,360
19 Apr 2020 #1,547
without sufficient medical staff, the health service is under enormous strain

Is this true outside of mazowieckie? A friend of mine works in a regular hospital and says they are not especially busy, a friend of this friend does work in the infectious disease unit of another hospital treating coronavirus victims and they're a bit busier than usual but hardly overwhelmed...

it's the contagion rate and the grip it has on hospitals and community care settings

Well hospitals and nursing homes are exactly the settings it thrives in - indoors and infected person in close contact with others. There's no evidence that it's especially contagious in the open air (nor evidence anymore that it's easy to become infected through surface contact, it can happen but it's not the usual pathway).

All the info I can find (from specialists rather than politicians or the media) suggests that it's not that contagious and mostly not that serious (except for especially vulnerable cases like the elderly especially the elderly in closed environments).

Ninety of them supplied sick notes and failed to show up

I know someone with a nursing background (not working in patient care now) who's afraid of being called up and will also try to get an illness exemption (on the basis of existing respiratory and immune system issues which are risk factors).
Spike31 3 | 1,610
19 Apr 2020 #1,548
You really are a bit of an idiot aren't you?

Those are direct quotes translated from money.pl. There's really no reason to get so personal, @Atch :-)
Cargo pants 2 | 470
19 Apr 2020 #1,549
The counselor called and woke me up,telling me that they can get help for a price and for tests one has to be in a car and only 120 tests per day.The line for the tests starts around 5AM and they start testing at 8 AM.Its on Al ken as the site said.150$ not bad,but getting up at 4 AM to be there is a bit too much without any symptons.He also told me if I can wait,it will be cheaper and faster.
Joker 1 | 1,552
19 Apr 2020 #1,550
The counselor called and woke me up,

Will this help you get back home quicker? I mean getting tested.....

150$ not bad,

Dollars or Zloty?
Cargo pants 2 | 470
19 Apr 2020 #1,551
Will this help you get back home quicker?

Nope,but just to be safe,I will get tested before going as I dont want to take it home with me and infect my near and dear ones.The flight to Chicago is on 24th April only if 50 or more people will go.All will be only tested for temperature,so I will wait.

150$ not bad,

584 Zlots= roughly 150$
Joker 1 | 1,552
19 Apr 2020 #1,552
Nope,but just to be safe,

I was wondering if the airlines were requiring a pre- test before you could board...

584 Zlots= roughly 150$

They want $150 to take a test that should be free? No wonder its going to keep spreading, they don't want to pay a few extra zloty for garbage pickup over there and trying to get 150 will never happen..
Cargo pants 2 | 470
19 Apr 2020 #1,553
This is what the ACW wrote;
LOT Polish Airlines has advised the Embassy that they may run one more charter flight from Warsaw to Chicago. This flight would be scheduled for Friday, April 24 at 4:40 PM.LOT will begin making preparations for the flight only if at least 50 people express interest in the flight by 5:00 PM on Monday, April 20, and the flight will take place only if at least 50 people purchase tickets. Tickets for this flight will be booked directly with LOT. This flight may be your last option for a direct flight from Poland to the United States before regular commercial flights resume. If you would like to purchase a ticket for this flight, please fill out this form for EACH traveler (including small children). This is a new form specifically for this flight. Please fill out the form, even if you have previously filled out a different form. Please ensure that all information is entered correctly, especially your contact information. By providing this information to us, you consent to our providing it to LOT Airlines for the purpose of facilitating your return to the United States. This is not a U.S. government operated or funded flight.  Availability and cancellations are controlled by LOT. At this time, the United States government has no plans to charter an evacuation flight out of Poland.
PolAmKrakow 1 | 429
19 Apr 2020 #1,554
@Cargo pants

Yes, USA funded flights are only for campaign events. lol
Joker 1 | 1,552
19 Apr 2020 #1,555
rom Warsaw to Chicago

Thats close enough to home:)

making preparations for the flight only if at least 50 people express interest in the flight by 5:00 PM o

There has to be more than 50 ppl that want to get back home. It still seems sketchy flying and you might be safer waiting a couple more weeks. I know, it stinks being stuck somewhere. I get homesick after awhile too. At least your in a good city/country, could be a lot worse!
Cargo pants 2 | 470
19 Apr 2020 #1,556
Thats close enough to home:)

lol true,Last night talking to wife I told her I could come and rent a car to NJ,but she told me to stay so I will.

USA funded flights are only for campaign events.

LOL,so true.
PolAmKrakow 1 | 429
19 Apr 2020 #1,557
We are much closer to the end of this here than the USA is. Booked my flight for July 1. Not even going to consider May or June. Four weeks or so and we should be sitting at tables having beer outside. I think inside pub spaces will be limited still, but outdoors I think they will open up pretty quickly.
Cargo pants 2 | 470
19 Apr 2020 #1,558
Here is another update from ACW
U.S. citizens who are considering traveling via land through Germany to fly back to the United States should fill out this form. There is no need to complete this form if, upon the resumption of commercial flights, you are planning to transit Germany by air only. The German Federal Police have requested that the Embassy inform them about any travelers they can expect to see in transit through Germany. All travelers should be prepared for long delays at the German border, and should carry a copy of their flight confirmation and their passports with them at all times. With certain exceptions, travelers will not be readmitted to Poland if they encounter problems in Germany after crossing the border.
delphiandomine 85 | 18,266
19 Apr 2020 #1,559
Four weeks or so and we should be sitting at tables having beer outside.

Interesting prediction. I'm not so confident - perhaps towards the end of June, but I think they won't be letting people congregate in such numbers until the borders re-open.
PolAmKrakow 1 | 429
19 Apr 2020 #1,560
@delphiandomine

Borders will reopen in May. Poland and every other country knows that the end of June would be a death sentence for the economy. One that would take a decade or more to recover from. All the doom and gloom I am not buying into. Its dangerous yes. You could be in real danger if you are in a high risk group. Risk should be weighed by individuals come May.

Once the borders re-open tourism wont begin for 4 to 6 weeks after. The cost of flights, hotels and all the other costs associated with travel are too expensive on short notice purchase. It will take time for the business that do survive to hire and prepare. End of June would take tourism to start in August, and by then its over. Take into account the fear of travel having to abate a while, and tourists having less disposable income, and the government knows, they can not wait too long.

The majority of these infections are in clusters. Hospitals, retirement homes, and close quarter situations. News reports say sunlight, hot and humid weather kill the virus quickly. Getting warmer every day and the sun is out. Think PiS want to be known for the group that killed the Polish economy after all their gimmicks to get people money?


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