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Coronavirus in Poland


Ironside 49 | 10,282
17 Apr 2020 #1,501
why not pre-Vatican I

Because the last one was a step in the wrong direction. All main issues in the Church derive directly from the changed wrought by decisions made then and there.
johnny reb 23 | 4,467
17 Apr 2020 #1,502
They are now saying that the virus outbreak could have started back in September.
I know a lot of people were sick with the symptoms here in the U.S.A. back in November.

msn.com/en-us/health/health-news/coronavirus-outbreak-may-have-started-as-early-as-september-scientists-say/ar-BB12MPqU?li=BBnb7Kz
cms neuf - | 1,573
17 Apr 2020 #1,503
Just been out and seen about 10 percent of people without masks and far more people shopping and exercising.

To me the key thing now is to get the pubs open and the lakes and beaches open so we can have a drink and get a decent sun tan.
Cargo pants 2 | 470
17 Apr 2020 #1,504
I saw the same yesterday,soon I am going out for my walk and see how they behaving,since yesterday I saw lots of people on the streets,and some restaurants open in old town for take out but not many people going in.As I stood in front of a restaurant the owners comes out saying we are open just for take out.I will not eat out for 15 days after they re open,maybe trying to push out stale food.
PolAmKrakow 1 | 429
17 Apr 2020 #1,505
Traffic by foot in my area was almost pre pandemic normal today. Maybe 10% of people not covering faces. Definitely an uptick in activity. I agree, get the pubs and other places open. Limit attendance if its needed, there will be plenty of room without tourists anyway.
Cargo pants 2 | 470
17 Apr 2020 #1,506
@PolAmKrakow:Are you getting ACW emails or maybe in your case ACK?I just got one that they have a flight leaving on April 24,but to chicago?
PolAmKrakow 1 | 429
17 Apr 2020 #1,507
I get updates. Not interested in leaving until I believe things are under control. Another two week hard quarantine is not what I am interested in. I rebooked for July 1. By then things should be much more under control.
delphiandomine 85 | 18,266
17 Apr 2020 #1,508
I agree, get the pubs and other places open.

461 new infections today in Poland. It's going to be very, very difficult to justify opening them with such numbers.
PolAmKrakow 1 | 429
17 Apr 2020 #1,509
@delphiandomine

Yes, another nursing home in Bytom infected. Per capita, the Polish numbers are minimal.
cms neuf - | 1,573
17 Apr 2020 #1,510
With no real financial support for businesses then they either let them open or let them die. The ZUS relief is hard to get, the 40:40:20 will take ages to process. Unemployment benefits are minimal. Tough choices but someone has to make them
PolAmKrakow 1 | 429
17 Apr 2020 #1,511
ZUS relief is only temporary. Have to make payments up. Fine print is BS. Lots of small business dying here.
Ziemowit 13 | 4,051
17 Apr 2020 #1,512
They are now saying that the virus outbreak could have started back in September.

Read that post #230 from Roz which seems to corroborate your story ...
polishforums.com/off-topic/spending-self-quarantine-85542/8/
Spike31 3 | 1,610
17 Apr 2020 #1,513
Per capita, the Polish numbers are minimal.

Unfortunately you will not be able to stop Chinese flu hysteria by providing cold statistics and numbers. It is triggered by emotions and fueled by apocalyptic news spread by mass media.
Miloslaw 7 | 3,216
17 Apr 2020 #1,514
Read that post #230 from Roz which seems to corroborate your story

Yeah, I think my wife and I had it back in february.
I rarely get sick, but this knocked me down for 3 or 4 days.
This Covid thing was not happening then, so we just shrugged it off.
Bratwurst Boy 6 | 10,583
17 Apr 2020 #1,515
Did you lose taste and smell? Had you problems breathing?

You can get tested for anti-bodies, you know? Then you would be sure if you are safe....
rozumiemnic 8 | 3,843
17 Apr 2020 #1,516
There is no immunity offered by having had it, sadly.
Bratwurst Boy 6 | 10,583
17 Apr 2020 #1,517
Well...there are discussions about it in Germany. Our scientists doubt these reported cases of re-infections, they say it had been still sick people as the virus needs some time to leave the body totally, even if the sick feel no symptoms anymore. (As with any other infection too).

So, before someone is declared truly healed it needs to be tested that the blood is clean now as these "re-infections" just still "had it".
rozumiemnic 8 | 3,843
17 Apr 2020 #1,518
I guess the problem is that so little is known about it.
johnny reb 23 | 4,467
18 Apr 2020 #1,519
There is no immunity offered by having had it

I don't think there has been enough data collected yet to substantiate your claim.
The new test to see if you have had it will be our ticket to go back to work here in the States assuming we are immune if we test positive.

These tests are testing with 100% accuracy.
I think they are in for a HUGE surprise when they find out more people then not have had it.
PolAmKrakow 1 | 429
18 Apr 2020 #1,520
@johnny reb

I agree, I would bet a significant portion of the population has had it already. I doubt immunity will last really. We have no immunity to the flu or a lot of other virus. I think this is something we will have to get a regular vaccine for, and hope to minimize symptoms every season. Now there will be flu season and Covid season.
mafketis 23 | 8,360
18 Apr 2020 #1,521
I guess the problem is that so little is known about it.

Yes, had the Chinese Communist Party not been obsessed with face and secrecy the medical and economic impact would have been negligible... Like all communists they lie and cover up and have caused a massive loss of face for their country (to put it in terms they understand).

And they're still at it making Africans the newest scapegoat of their own deception and incompetence! Have you seen the videos of evicted Africans made homeless or not being allowed to enter stores?

Despicable! The Chinese government has no place at the table of civilized governments.
Atch 17 | 3,221
18 Apr 2020 #1,522
How satisfied are people here with the information provided and the communication by the Polish government to the people of Poland throughout the crisis? Does anybody even know the name of the Chief Medical Officer ( I don't mean the Minister for Health.) When did he last give a press conference? What's the present R0 number for Poland? What about the frankly pathetic income supports in place for people who have no work? And the uncertainty about when they can return to work? And the lack of any proper explanation as to why people suddenly need to cover their faces in public after so many weeks?

As far as I can see, it's the usual old communist way of hiding everything and trying to shut people up who share information, all to try and cover up the complete mismanagement of the situation.
mafketis 23 | 8,360
18 Apr 2020 #1,523
Does anybody even know the name of the Chief Medical Officer

I don't think there is such a position in Poland...

Polish government and media coverage is on the whole not necessarily worse than other countries (which has been generally terrible)

why people suddenly need to cover their faces in public after so many weeks?

It's a PR move AFAICT

What's the present R0 number

Hardly any coverage of that in any country AFAICT
PolAmKrakow 1 | 429
18 Apr 2020 #1,524
@Atch

Information? There is feeding of facts that satisfy political goals. When the health minister says no normal elections for 2 years.....please. Funny how there is a 2 year offer to extend Duda on the table.

election by mail May 10th. All pubs, dining, and other gatherings will be safe by May 17th. Anyone think this is far off the mark?
mafketis 23 | 8,360
18 Apr 2020 #1,525
satisfy political goals

What I've learned from this is to never give PiS the benefit of a doubt - they're all dishonest grifters (worse than anything in PO).

I was pleasantly surprised by the early response but JK's fanatical desire to hold onto a pliable puppet president who'll do as he's told has completely ruined it...

What a bunch of PRL-ites (as is anyone who supports them).
Atch 17 | 3,221
18 Apr 2020 #1,526
I don't think is such a position in Poland...

The fact that you don't even know if such a position exists demonstrates my point. I suppose that as the Minister for Health, Szumowski is a doctor, he fills both roles. The problem with that is that he's first and foremost a politician and mouthpiece of PIS ie JK. Hence the announcement that elections will be held via postal vote for at least the next two years.

is on the whole not necessarily worse than other countries

It's a lot worse than Ireland. You get proper facts there every single day and proper in depth analysis and coverage. For example over the next ten days, in order to deal with the clusters of infection in nursing homes, all 30,000 staff and 28,000 residents nationwide will be tested. What's happening with clusters in Poland?? What's happening with the 12 hospitals in Warsaw that had to close? In Poland you have the government trying to silence medical staff who have spoken out.

Hardly any coverage of that in any country AFAICT

Well then read the Irish and UK press. The tackiest tabloid in the UK has a good explanatory article here:
thesun.co.uk/news/11421682/r-value-number-critical-coronavirus-fight/

Without a vaccine,the virus can be contained and the spread halted within the general population by keeping the R0 number below 1.0 but to do that social distancing will have to remain in place.

It's a PR move AFAICT

I think it's an attempt to get the economy moving again. Let people go back to 'normal' but with faces covered. Even though the Polish government doesn't inform the public about the R0 number, they know about it. Social distancing has to continue so they'll take a stab at allowing people to move more freely and hope the face coverings will do the trick. That's why the fine is so punitive if you don't wear it. It should ensure compliance. Unfortunately, there isn't enough information about the effectiveness of face masks in stopping the spread and as many people will have inadequate face coverings and stop observing the 1.5 or 2 metre rule, I don't think it's going to work.

On a lighter note, I've composed a Coronavirus ditty. It came to me as I was doing the dishes the other day, a time I reserve for contemplating the meaning of life. It's inspired by improvised face masks. For an added touch of cruel irony, it can be sung to the tune of If You're Happy and You Know It:

Tie your knickers in a knot around your face
There's an epidemic raging round the place
If we keep our faces covered
Then the lurgy will be smothered
So maintain your social distance
Leave a space!

mafketis 23 | 8,360
18 Apr 2020 #1,527
he fact that you don't even know if such a position exists demonstrates my point.

I was being diplomatic.... AFAICT it's only a position in the UK and Ireland... why would other countries with different political systems have it?

It's a lot worse than Ireland

Ireland is a small country with a history of high social trust - why would press coverage in Poland (with a very different history and social structure) be similar?

Polish overage is no worse than the US (which is more and more like a failed state than a real country sad to say...)

I think it's an attempt to get the economy moving again. Let people go back to 'normal' but with faces covered.

That's part of it, but (per a link to a Bavarian study and some other sources) it's just not that contagious (especially in the open air and especially in the sunshine (not a given in Poland, no...) most transmission is in closed spaces like hospitals and nursing homes...) so gradually unfreezing the economy while giving people a sense that they're doing something to limit spread (given Polish rule orientation) is not a bad idea....
Atch 17 | 3,221
18 Apr 2020 #1,528
AFAICT it's only a position in the UK and Ireland..

You have the same role in the USA. He's called the Surgeon General. It's a role in many European countries, though not all and only about eight countries in the EU have the equivalent of the British CMO who has very wide ranging reponsibilities. Ireland is one of those. I believe in Poland it's the Chief Public Health Inspector. He's the one who attends EU meetings of CMOs. He's the one who should be in charge of the management of the present epidemic and who should be engaging with the press and the public.
Ziemowit 13 | 4,051
18 Apr 2020 #1,529
I believe in Poland it's the Chief Public Health Inspector

You probably mean the Główny Inspector Sanitarny? He has been completely silenced now after he had delivered most stupid and condescending remarks toward the pandemia some weeks ago. Also, the Health Minister had been repeatedly declaring 2 or 3 weeks ago that masks are not at all helpful (now the same minister says they are mandatory). The TVN main news bulletin FAKTY at 19:00 of yesterday broadcast a lot of recordings of the two of them saying those things in public. Retrieve the news bulletin with your smart TV tool and you will see for yourself..
cms neuf - | 1,573
18 Apr 2020 #1,530
There are masses of people out today and long queues outside those shops that are open - not just food shops. The DIY stores are closed which has no logic.

The masks thing is weird as a few months ago as Ziemowit says we were told they are useless. They probably have some effect but the fines for not wearing them are ridicul Us - I will wear mine but only when I feel like it.


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