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Coronavirus in Poland


Atch 17 | 3,224
14 Apr 2020 #1,441
Wear masks when in public after 5 weeks of other restrictions makes no sense

It's either a sham designed to back up 'the peak is yet to come' story so they can have their postal election, or else it's a precursor to the lifting of restrictions. Get the people used to wearing masks (did you notice they have to be worn in all public settings including the workplace) and then you can lift restrictions en masse rather than gradually. Poles in general and PIS in particular are not big on subtleties. A carefully designed lifting of restrictions would require too much planning, patience and cooperation so they'll take the sledgehammer approach as usual.

Poland's hospitalization and fatality rate has been pretty low (thanks to restrictions)

There have probably been many deaths from coronavirus during the last few weeks that haven't been recorded as such because they've occurred outside a hospital setting - and probably many more people who've had the virus and been quite ill without ever going near a hospital.
PolAmKrakow 1 | 433
14 Apr 2020 #1,442
@kondzior

Consiidering she is a published endocrinologyst I think she knows a thing or two considering this is a virus that attacks the immune system and the biggest problem is the bodys immune system attacking its own organs.

The government is already saying that restriction rollbacks will begin with some shops on the 19th. So they cant even get their own message straight.

Yes. The early restrictions were great for safety measures. They got very lucky and Poland will be better for it. Extending them, too long though will do more damage to the country than it will help. The health ministry says they have 10,000 beds ready and 1600 ventilators on standby with another 1000 ordered. Doesnt sound like things are going to get much worse by all the information available.
cms neuf - | 1,588
14 Apr 2020 #1,443
It might peak and kill several thousand more, it might even kill 20.000 at some point.

But what is clear is that it won't kill a million people and I'm not going to spend months cowering in front of Polsat news with no pub and no football and no work - most people feel the same now.
Ziemowit 13 | 4,063
14 Apr 2020 #1,444
governments take from now on a closer look when Chinese come to buy out firms and companies

Money shouldn't be able to buy EVERYTHING!

We've been repeatedly told now and again that capital has no nationality. And now you say capital has a NATIONALTY.

Is it because capital has no nationality only when it is Western (North American or European) capital? But when it's Chinese or any other Third World's capital provided in big supply, it suddenly must take on a nationality?
kondzior 10 | 1,021
14 Apr 2020 #1,445
Intermittent lockdowns are becoming normalised across the globe. Japan, Singapore. "we tried going back to normal, it didn't work! We need full lockdown again!"

Watch the same pattern with Spain and Italy, both of which are currently easing their lockdowns, in 2 weeks. Watch it happen.
Bratwurst Boy 6 | 10,583
14 Apr 2020 #1,446
The first "Covid - Rankings" are in:
(Safety, Treatment, Government etc...)

dkv.global/covid

Germany get's top places :)

(Good for Merkel's gov too btw. her popularity is rising, contrary to her opposition)
Spike31 3 | 1,625
14 Apr 2020 #1,447
dkv.global/covid

Would be nice if we knew what "covid safety" exactly meant and also how the score was calculated. Right now this looks more like an Eurovision song popularity contest results to me.

My attutude towards this whole chinese flu pandemic is skeptical to say the least. That said in a light of provided data, are you trying to convince us that Germany with 130072 coronavirus cases and 3194 deaths related to it is safer than Poland with 7049 coronavirus cases and 251 deaths?
johnny reb 23 | 4,497
14 Apr 2020 #1,448
- and probably many more people who've had the virus and been quite ill without ever going near a hospital.

Atch I have heard well over a hundred stories from people who contracted this back in November and December and were told by the hospitals and doctors that it WAS NOT the flu but did not know what it was.

I was one of them.
This virus was around since last November and they knew it !

in the national elections, this is pretty fishy to say the least.

Alexa, when will this virus end ?
The Chinavirus will end the day after the elections.

Doctors don't know jack sh!t about epidemiology. They just treat people.

Exactly, Doctors are highly over rated as all they have is a A License to 'Practice'.
You will stay much healthier going to a good Homopathic Doctor then you will a Medical Doctor.
Spike31 3 | 1,625
14 Apr 2020 #1,449
and probably many more people who've had the virus and been quite ill without ever going near a hospital

And many more had that virus and never even noticed it because it was swiftly eliminated by their immune systems. I've been jogging, cycling and shopping in London as usual this whole time, never ever wearing dust mask or latex gloves, and either I've never caught this deadly virus or I had it without even noticing it.

It's a bull*rap not a pandemia with blown up numbers of casualities among old people who died of old age diseases and happened to contact chinese flu and raised the statistics.
johnny reb 23 | 4,497
14 Apr 2020 #1,450
I'm not going to spend months cowering in with no pub and no football and no work - most people feel the same now.

"As authoritarianism spreads, as emergency laws proliferate, as we sacrifice our rights, we also sacrifice our capability to arrest the slide into a less liberal and less free world," NSA whistleblower Edward Snowden said in a recent interview. "Do you truly believe that when the first wave, this second wave, the 16th wave of the coronavirus is a long-forgotten memory, that these capabilities will not be kept? That these datasets will not be kept? No matter how it is being used, what is being built is the architecture of oppression."

"World Health Organization executive director Dr. Michael Ryan said surveillance is part of what's required for life to return to normal in a world without a vaccine. However, civil liberties experts warn that the public has little recourse to challenge these digital exercises of power once the immediate threat has passed.

Good luck with that.

of casualities among old people who died of old age diseases

The number one things in common are 'obesity' and 'low immune system'.
Bratwurst Boy 6 | 10,583
14 Apr 2020 #1,451
That said in a light of provided data, are you trying to convince us....

I'm not trying to convince you! That's not MY study! :)

That just means that Germany with the same safety measures like Poland would have a much higher death count....or a Poland with the safety measures like Germany would have a much lower death count!

That's why China is so high up too....they have much more dead to count but remember what they did with Wuhan!
And it explains also why Israel is the leader...it's the one country in the West which is best with emergency situations, border closures and such things. (They treat the virus like a real military attack and the citizens are used to counter-terrorist measures)

If you only take the number of the victims North Korea would be "best" because they don't have any infected people there at all (or so Kim says).
Spike31 3 | 1,625
14 Apr 2020 #1,452
or a Poland with the safety measures like Germany would have a much lower death count!

OK, let's play the most popular mass media game atm and calculate it: Germany, is more or less, twice as populated as Poland. If Poland had a population comparable to Germany it would give us ~15000 (7000 actual cases x2) virus cases and ~500 deaths related to it compared to Germany's 130 000 cases and 3200 deaths.

So either German has mismanaged the "pandemia" or German immune system is much weaker than ours. I'd complement your health system by instead saying that your aging society is just more prone to infections.
Bratwurst Boy 6 | 10,583
14 Apr 2020 #1,453
You just have to bear the fact that Germany looks good in these rankings, very good! :)

Don't try to choke on your jealousy....

dkv.global/methodology?lightbox=dataItem-k8ykxcr7
Spike31 3 | 1,625
14 Apr 2020 #1,454
Don't try to choke on your jealousy....

I'll try not to :-)
Ziemowit 13 | 4,063
14 Apr 2020 #1,455
The number one things in common are 'obesity' and 'low immune system

A weakened immune system is what counts in all infectious diseases, but perhaps it counts more in COVID-19 disease than in common flu.

Indeed, this 'obesity' factor has been increasingly reported as important in the COVID-19 infection.

You will stay much healthier going to a good Homopathic Doctor then you will a Medical Doctor.

Homeopathy has been proved rubbish in numerous double-blind randomized trials. The same can be said of acupunture.
cms neuf - | 1,588
14 Apr 2020 #1,456
There are high comorbities with obesity, heart and lung disease and blood pressure issues. Those can be partly managed by drugs but the best drugs are better diet, exercise and fresh air.

So having the police out stopping people who are doing exercise is just idiotic.

Reducing people's access to fresh food makes no sense

Making people unhappy and increasing stress and blood pressure and comfort eating makes no sense.

On the plus side dole are getting more sleep and less work stress,
Bratwurst Boy 6 | 10,583
14 Apr 2020 #1,457
We've been repeatedly told now and again that capital has no nationality.

You mean surely: "Money has no nationality"! :)

And is still true...but you can't use money to stop spreading the infection....and all money in the world won't help you to buy ventilators and masks and medicine if the lone producer isn't delivering and you can't produce what you need anymore because you closed down all facilities at home.
Atch 17 | 3,224
14 Apr 2020 #1,458
I've been jogging, cycling and shopping

I've also carried on a normal routine. I go out every day. I think it's essential for your mental and physical health and I'm beyond furious at having to start covering my face on Thursday. I think it's nonsense. However, having said that, I have made an effort to keep my distance from people, 2 metres at least, not so much because I'm worried about catching it, but because I may have it and pass it on. I don't want to add to the epidemic or be responsible for making a vulnerable person ill and ending their life.

It's a bull*rap not a pandemia with blown up numbers of casualities among old people who died of old age diseases

No, they died of the virus. Yes, they would have died anyway sooner rather than later, but they contracted the virus and it killed them. The issue with this virus is not so much the fatality rate because about 80% of people will have only a mild case, it's the contagion rate which is demonstrated by the number of healthcare workers who've caught it. In Ireland 27% of all cases are among hospital staff and in the UK look at how many NHS staff have died of it, plenty of them in their thirties and forties so whilst it's not the Black Death, it's definitely more deadly than flu.
jon357 63 | 15,214
14 Apr 2020 #1,459
So either German has mismanaged the "pandemia" or German immune system is much weaker than ours. .

Or Poland is grossly underrepresenting the figures prior to the forthcoming dodgy 'election'.

I've also carried on a normal routine. I go out every day. I think it's essential for your mental and physical health

I find that being able to work from home is making a huge difference. Without it, the situation would be horrible to be in.
Bratwurst Boy 6 | 10,583
14 Apr 2020 #1,460
I find that being able to work from home is making a huge difference.

Totally agree! I work at a "home office" for years now, so for me the changes are not as big and bad as for others....
dolnoslask 5 | 2,845
14 Apr 2020 #1,461
prior to the forthcoming dodgy 'election'.

you had to drop that in lol , you know me I hate ALL politicians, but regardless the PIS is going to win.

! I work at

Glad I don't have to do that anymore , I am prepared for a two year lock down here until you kids find a cure.

Don't forget we gave you the moon and computers, you just need to sort out a vaccine, I'm sure wiermarkt has almost got it sorted.
Spike31 3 | 1,625
14 Apr 2020 #1,462
I am prepared for a two year lock down here until you kids find a cure

I've got a perfect cure for you: just turn off TV and stop reading "leading" news portals.

Live like you lived before b'cause you'll still most likely going to die in a natural way to Western civilisation: by heart disease or cancer.

I hope that I filled your heath with hope :-)
johnny reb 23 | 4,497
15 Apr 2020 #1,463
More disgusting facts on China's withholding critical data that killed thousands of people because of it.

msn.com/en-us/news/world/china-didnt-warn-public-of-likely-pandemic-for-6-key-days/ar-BB12DU9q?li=BBnb7Kz

I'm not going to spend months cowering with no pub and no football and no work - most people feel the same now.

Buddy you are not the Lone Ranger as the whole State of Michigan has started to rebel in the same manner by signing a petition to remove the Governor immediately from her duties.

She has put in such strict orders that you are not even allowed to go out in your boat on a lake ! WTF !
People have had enough of this adult curfew and their Constitutional Rights stepped on by one control trip person.
The same person that told President Trump that, "she would decide" when the lifting of the quarantine for 'Her State' would take place and not him.

The petition now has over 200,000 signatures in less then a weeks time.
I wonder if she is listening now and understands that she has gotten to big for her knickers and should start listening to the people who elected her.

msn.com/en-us/news/us/michigan-gov-whitmer-faces-fierce-backlash-over-strict-stay-at-home-order/ar-BB12BSih?li=BBnb7Kz
Ironside 49 | 10,304
15 Apr 2020 #1,464
acts on China's

They have some issues that for sure. Like swine flu, bird flu and corona now, most likely so called Spanish flu originated in china as well.
PolAmKrakow 1 | 433
15 Apr 2020 #1,465
@johnny reb

I dont think Poland will put up with much more either. People just sitting in the park areas now and reading when the sun is out. Police not doing anything. People in power, regardless of where they are, are only in power as long as the people allow them to be. I can see a whole lot of problems coming in a lot of places.

Elections and other political time bombs in Poland now starting to get a lot of international press coverage. There will be a lot of pressure on Poland if they continue to strong arm the PiS agenda over people's health by using "health" as a scare tactic to further that agenda. Being here and watching this unfold is quite surreal. The reports I am getting from NY and Michigan, along with some other major cities are simply unbelievable.

We are watching the slow choking death of civil liberties everywhere.
dolnoslask 5 | 2,845
15 Apr 2020 #1,466
People just sitting

Not joking here , where I live most people are on Kruz (small farmers money making scam) all thy do is sit around drink and talk , manyana life is good , nothing has changed in Dolnoland.
johnny reb 23 | 4,497
15 Apr 2020 #1,467
This virus has done what no woman had been able to do........cancel all sports, shut down all bars, and keep men at home !

I dont think Poland will put up with much more either.

The people here in Michigan just shut down the State Capitol in Lansing with the biggest rally Lansing has ever seen.
They have the roads and freeways in total grid lock going into and around the Capitol Building.
I wonder if she is getting the message yet that just because THREE of the counties that are adjacent to Black Detroit have 95% of people testing positive and dead while some Northern counties have under 5 people who tested weeks ago or no people that have tested at all..

The orders she put in place this week are unconstitutional and that did it and like you said PolAm, "people will only be governed as much as they want to be governed."

This has been on local t.v. all day of this huge gridlock with car horns whaling.
What else do the people have to do for entertainment when they are being denied an income. lol
This should make National nightly news.
Cargo pants 2 | 472
15 Apr 2020 #1,468
The passage by me is usually bustling this time.


  • not a soul by me
johnny reb 23 | 4,497
15 Apr 2020 #1,469
And here Germany was so generous in sharing them with the United States.

msn.com/en-us/health/health-news/hyped-malaria-pill-doesnt-help-clear-coronavirus-in-study/ar-BB12EEbv?li=BBnb7Kz
OP Braveheart16 18 | 195
15 Apr 2020 #1,470
PolAmKrakow - We are watching the slow choking death of civil liberties everywhere.

Don't worry about civil liberties think more about ways to save your life...and the lives of others......As far as elections in Poland are concerned they should be postponed until a time when everyone can fully participate in giving their vote....lots of nonsense about the constituation and not being able to change things....these are unusual circumstances which require creative solutions....anything can be changed by the government if they have the will to do so.....


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