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Coronavirus in Poland


johnny reb 31 | 6,412
4 Dec 2021 #9,121
Public health authorities disagree with you.

Of course, they want to keep the fear instilled in people. (Control)

Really?

Yes, REALLY joun.
jon357 69 | 18,445
4 Dec 2021 #9,122
they want to keep the fear instilled

Who does?

REALLY

Really Jim? I don't see any restrictions on my life right now. Wearing a mask on the metro or in the supermarket is a trivial thing.
johnny reb 31 | 6,412
4 Dec 2021 #9,123
Public health authorities disagree with you.

Who does?

The Public health authorities you said.

Really Jim? I don't see any restrictions on my life right now.

Yes joun, Really however I can't speak for your life, only mine.
jon357 69 | 18,445
4 Dec 2021 #9,124
The Public health authorities

Quite. People who dedicate their lives to science, medicine and society. They could always fester in a shack like you.

only mine.

Such as it is.
johnny reb 31 | 6,412
5 Dec 2021 #9,125
People who dedicate their lives to science,

By chance do you remember your "Scientists" that admitted to lying and fudging the statistics ?
Makes me just fester to think you sheep still believe everything they say.
jon357 69 | 18,445
5 Dec 2021 #9,126
your "Scientists"

'My/our' scientists?

Makes me just fester

You do that anyway. Meanwhile in the real world, people get the vaccine, take sensible precautions in line with the regulations, live their lives as they can, make the best of things.

And generally pull together rather than attempt to sow pointless dissent.
Korvinus 1 | 315
5 Dec 2021 #9,127
people who dedicate their lives to science, medicine and society.

The worst part of this entire fuckfest. All of the "experts" and "professionals" and institutions that we are supposed to trust and believe in have been sending one contradictory message after another, making up ridiculous rules and mandates on the fly with nothing factual or substantial backing said rules, changing their minds based not on evidence and actual situation-on-the-ground, but based purely on politics and Party interest... When this sort of sh*it happens, people tend to lose trust in institutions that, up to this point, have been considered pristine in their knowledge and professionalism. And how can you blame those people? These institutions have exposed themselves as being more-or-less a gang, not made up of actual scientists and professionals, but as simply yet another political weapon in the arsenal of whichever regime is currently in power in any given country.

This is true in pretty much the entire world, but it is twice as true and twice as severe in our country (and even more true in US, G*rmany, quadruple true in Australia, etc).
mafketis 32 | 10,524
5 Dec 2021 #9,128
the "experts" and "professionals" and institutions that we are supposed to trust and believe in have been sending one contradictory message after another

Again, I repeat for the n-hundredth time. Covid policies are almost entirely about introducing and enforcing austerity - the transfer of taxpayer money and public goods to the private sector. In this case, it's primarily about winding down public healthcare into payments to vaccine manufacturers (and people will do without for everything else or go private).

Education and small businesses (and the travel and hospitality industries) are also under sustained attack.
The decision has been made (G7 or Davos or wherever) that us dirty proles don't deserve to be able to travel for vacation or socialize with friends.

Once you understand that, everything makes sense. Until you understand that it seems like a contradictory mess....
mafketis 32 | 10,524
5 Dec 2021 #9,129
today's numbers

28.5 % percent of 78,533 (considering the reduced number of tests, not bad news)

hospitalized :-86 to 22,264 (good news, first fall in a while...

ICU: -9 to 1969 (small fall, but a fall is a fall....)

daily deaths: 45 (26 with co-morbidities)

7 day average deaths: +18 to 378
cms neuf - | 1,690
5 Dec 2021 #9,130
This is right Korvinus - lots of the scientific predictions have no better records than simple guesswork. It's like when the Wall Sreet Journal used to have monkeys who would pick random stocks.

The advice is constantly contradictory and immediately co-opted by politicians and panic obsessed media.

The idea to mandatorily vaccinate everyone with a vaccine that is getting less and less effective and doesn't stop the spread just has no logic but seems to be the only suggestion politicians can make. There is no discussion of natural immunity, improving peoples diet and exercise, or using drugs to combat post infection.
Lenka 3 | 2,826
5 Dec 2021 #9,131
After the mask mandate being reinstated in UK most people wear them in shops. In the laisure centre I visited this weekend 99% of people didn't wear them
johnny reb 31 | 6,412
5 Dec 2021 #9,132
Flattening the curve or flattening the global poor ?
That's the question.
How covid lockdowns obliterate human rights and destroy the most vulnerable.
Marketed as life saving public health measures, lockdowns triggered death and economic devastation on a global scale while doing little to slow the spread of covid.

We have all witnessed that.
Now, they're back with a vengeance.
With covid cases rising in Europe, several countries are implementing lockdowns all over again, often with clearly cruel and crippling motivations.
Someone could take this thread and write a book of how this dog and pony show has hoodwinked the sheep from the start to the present.
jon357 69 | 18,445
5 Dec 2021 #9,133
nothing factual or substantial backing said rules

Or even facts and substance backing them.

people tend to lose trust in institutions

Most haven't.

After the mask mandate being reinstated in UK most people wear them in shops.

Same here, however in Warsaw it's almost everybody.
johnny reb 31 | 6,412
5 Dec 2021 #9,134
people get the vaccine, take sensible precautions in line with the regulations, generally pull together rather than attempt to sow pointless dissent.

Convince these todays protesters of that joun.

msn.com/en-us/news/world/belgian-police-use-water-tear-gas-on-covid-19-protesters/ar-AARuz54?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531
jon357 69 | 18,445
5 Dec 2021 #9,135
No need. They're marginal and of course Belgium and France have a tradition of protests for just about everything..

Fortunately the only covidiot protests here were the same weirdo shuffling rentamob that turn up at things with religious pictures and are ignored..
Korvinus 1 | 315
5 Dec 2021 #9,136
The mRNA vaccines can cause inflammation of the heart and the adenovirus vector vaccines can cause thrombosis. That's also true for Covid, but the risk curve is inversed. Older people are more likely to die from Covid (including sepsis, inflammations and clots) while younger people, which basically means anyone below 60, have a higher risk to develop adverse reactions to the vaccines. Each shot carries a risk, the second one as far as the mRNA vaccines are concerned however has a much higher risk than the first, and any booster shoot has the same risk as the second. The risk of heart inflammation from the mRNA shot is about 1 in 5000 per the official statistics and it is common sense and supported by pretty much all experts that adverse reactions to any medication alre always under-reported since you don't have access to all patient's data and don't monitor them 24/7. There's no mild heart inflammation, by the way. What's called 'mild' is a life-threatening condition that requires you to be hospitalized and monitored which still gives you a 20-30% chance for permanent damage. However, you can still develop fibrosis or scarred tissue which will fuc*k you up sooner or later. There's no cure for that, no therapy. The only way to 'fix' these issues is with a heart transplant and these come with their own problems, like having to take immunosuppressants for the rest of your life.

A non-'mild' myocarditis has a death rate of 100% after 10 years. That's generally not something that kills you outright. However, your chances for bad outcomes increase with each shot. Saying that people are anti vaxxers when they don't want to get a specific injection that hasn't been tested and studied thoroughly is like saying people are afraid of tablets because they don't want to swallow a tablet of unknown origin.
jon357 69 | 18,445
5 Dec 2021 #9,137
can

Can, however they are considered safe, no matter what tosh you find online.
Korvinus 1 | 315
5 Dec 2021 #9,138
are considered safe

By whom? The big pharma? Their paid "experts"? Sure.
But the ones with functioning brains refuse jabs of death.

pay
jon357 69 | 18,445
5 Dec 2021 #9,139
By whom

The NHS, the Polish government and all others too. And of course most doctors.

But the ones with functions brains

We can see that's not the case at all.
Korvinus 1 | 315
5 Dec 2021 #9,140
That is all you are able to do? No arguments, just petty bickering. I rest my case.
jon357 69 | 18,445
5 Dec 2021 #9,141
No arguments

Nothing to argue about.

Vaccination is important. Especially in a pandemic.

I rest my case.

You don't have one.
mafketis 32 | 10,524
5 Dec 2021 #9,142
Very accurate...

twitter.com/5151mpk/status/1467415470559031299
amiga500 2 | 967
6 Dec 2021 #9,143
No need. They're marginal

No that's not correct, you can't on one hand bigup pro abortion and pro refugee rallies in poland, and dismiss protests that are sometimes the same size or sometimes 10 times larger , as marginal. the protests in australia and western europe are up there with the anti iraq war protests There is a popular, significant groundswell against government overeach by both left and right and u can't deny that on a honest level.
jon357 69 | 18,445
6 Dec 2021 #9,144
rallies in poland

Huge ones. Over 100,000 attending according to the official estimate from the police.

sometimes the same size or sometimes 10 times larger , as marginal.

8,000 people in the one he mentioned.

There is a popular, significant groundswell

Marginal, and the usual internet rentamob. The overwhelming scientific consensus is that the pandemic is a real threat that needs real measures to reduce strain on the hospitals. Most governments (including the UK and Poland) impose the absolute minimum restrictions and do so reluctantly. And with strong support.
amiga500 2 | 967
6 Dec 2021 #9,145
Over 100,000 attending according to the official estimate from the police.

that was a once off, and it tapered off once polish women saw churches being vandalised and who was leading the protests. it's down to a few hundred now.

8,000 people in the one he mentioned.

and you know full well that the current protests are up to 20-30k. not to mention left wing union strikes and blocades in italy etc. we are not talking about poland , but mandatory vax and similar in western europe and greece which is causing the outrage.

is that the pandemic is a real threat tha

I agree with you but let's not deny the popular opposition to the overeach by government (which is the natural inclination by all state power.)

Most governments (including the UK and Poland)

thats not where the protests are happening. where the goverments are in other world with the response.
jon357 69 | 18,445
6 Dec 2021 #9,146
thats not where the protests are happenin

The ones posted about were in Belgium, a country with a high level of cases and land borders with four other countries. There were 8,000 at the protest, largely rabble who protest at anything.

that was a once off,

And what an amazing one-off. I was thinking though about the protest with the amazing speech by Wanda Traczyk-Stawska.

the overeach by government

Some governments are more full on than others, some are more laissez-faire, however so far there's been little overreach, except perhaps in South Africa where at the hight of the first lockdown they banned cigs and booze, in Wales where they roped off the non-food aisle of the supermarkets (for a short time, anyway), and in China where they really did go too far. As they always do. Here in Europe, it's been mild compared to that, and in Poland, very mild compared to even England.

In Belgium (where their government is by and large laissez-faire) they have a particular set of issues and the current restrictions there are not excessive at all.
mafketis 32 | 10,524
6 Dec 2021 #9,147
today's numbers

25.3 % percent of 52,286 (considering the reduced number of tests, not bad news)

hospitalized :+514 to 22,778

ICU: + 20 to 1989 (small fall, but a fall is a fall....)

daily deaths: 25 (17 with co-morbidities)

7 day average deaths: -1 to 377
johnny reb 31 | 6,412
6 Dec 2021 #9,148
That is all you are able to do? No arguments, just petty bickering.

That's joun alright.
I just found out that you now need to be tested 24 hours before you can board a plane to fly into the U.S.A.

I had plans to visit Poland over the Christmas holidays but have decided to cancel my ticket today because of the unrealistic requirement.
Another freedom biden has taken away from U.S. citizens yet he allows unvaccinated and untested illegals to enter the U.S.A. by thousands a day. :-(
mafketis 32 | 10,524
6 Dec 2021 #9,149
I had plans to visit Poland over the Christmas holidays

Good one!



PolAmKrakow 2 | 1,176
6 Dec 2021 #9,150
@johnny reb
The test takes 25 minutes at any airport in Poland and its only an antibody test. Nat really a hassle at all.


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