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Coronavirus in Poland


PolAmKrakow 2 | 1,046
22 Nov 2021 #8,701
@Novichok
Armbands? No, but gold stars were always great to receive in elementary school. About 45% vaccinated in Slovakia and only about 5 million people. That is a level of incompetence that is remarkable. And with so few people, to be locking down? Really just insane.
Novichok 1 | 5,101
22 Nov 2021 #8,702
Really just insane.

No, it's a democracy. In a democracy, whatever happens, is the will of the people. See the Netherlands.
johnny reb 31 | 6,262
22 Nov 2021 #8,703
Vaccinated English Adults Under 60 Are Dying at Twice the Rate of Unvaccinated People the Same Age
And have been for six months !
This chart may seem unbelievable or impossible, but it's correct, based on weekly data from the British government.

ussanews.com/vaccinated-english-adults-under-60-are-dying-at-twice-the-rate-of-unvaccinated-people-the-same-age/
jon357 69 | 18,360
22 Nov 2021 #8,704
These are the stats from the UK Government's Office of National Statistics rather than from some questionable foreign website.

"Between 2 January and 24 September 2021, the age-adjusted risk of deaths involving coronavirus (COVID-19) was 32 times greater in unvaccinated people than in fully vaccinated individuals."

"The weekly age-standardised mortality rates (ASMRs) for deaths involving COVID-19 were consistently lower for people who had received two vaccinations compared with one or no vaccinations."

ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/bulletins/deathsinvolvingcovid19byvaccinationstatusengland/deathsoccurringbetween2januaryand24september2021





johnny reb 31 | 6,262
22 Nov 2021 #8,705
Your source makes no comparison between the vaccinated and the unvaccinated deaths, joun.
And when you read on did you see where the graph on the chart went ?
jon357 69 | 18,360
22 Nov 2021 #8,706
source makes no comparison between the vaccinated and the unvaccinated deaths

Looks like you can't read English. It's presented in the screenshot in black and white for you to try to read,.
johnny reb 31 | 6,262
23 Nov 2021 #8,707
They are telling people to vaccinate or lose their job.
I have yet to hear them tell people to vaccinate or lose their welfare benefits and food stamps.
What the hell !
Novichok 1 | 5,101
23 Nov 2021 #8,708
tell people to vaccinate or lose their welfare benefits and food stamps.

...or loot and burn.
PolAmKrakow 2 | 1,046
23 Nov 2021 #8,709
@johnny reb
Ok, so I own a business. Don't I have a right to determine who I hire or fire as it relates to my requirements on safety and security in my company? While mass mandates may be an over reach for privately held companies, any company that is publicly traded, or government funded should have mandates. They have a fiduciary responsibility to investors and citizens to ensure shut downs, and mass infections do not take place. If you dont like the mandate, go find a different job that has no mandate.

Hypothetical, I own a medium sized business with 50 employees. 40 of them vaccinated, 10 of them not vaccinated. One of the vaccinated actually gets infected and spreads it to all 10 that are not vaccinated and all 10 die because of a combination of covid, age and underlying conditions. One of those unvaccinated infects his parents before he dies and they also die. Who is getting sued for not having a vaccine mandate by someone's children who are left parentless? What if its one of the unvaccinated who infects a vaccinated person and they infect their parents who later die?

The only clear answer is to put everyone in the workplace on the same playing field. Vaccinate everyone, or no one. Since each employer can and should make their own policy on this, why are there not a whole bunch of unvaccinated factories opening up? People without vaccine should be lining up for jobs where there are only unvaccinated people allowed? Why not have Ford or GM switch a few factories over for just unvaccinated workers? Because it does not make sense, and there is absolutely no real science that says being unvaccinated is the best approach.
johnny reb 31 | 6,262
23 Nov 2021 #8,710
You already know my position on vaccines so there is no need to justify yours to me.
Baaaaaa Baaaaaa Baaaaaa
PolAmKrakow 2 | 1,046
23 Nov 2021 #8,711
@johnny reb
You dont answer the question. Who assumes liability for unvaccinated people in the workplace?
mafketis 29 | 10,302
23 Nov 2021 #8,712
today's numbers

21.9 % percent of 91,012 tests

hospitalized: 18,320

ICU: 1551

daily deaths: 398 (287 with co-morbidities)

7 day average deaths: 278
Tacitus 2 | 1,446
23 Nov 2021 #8,713
with co-morbidities

Just a reminder that this is no way trivializing the number of victims the virus causes. There are many conditions that make one vulnerable to the virus, but would have allowed one to still live a long, fullfilling life.
Korvinus 1 | 234
23 Nov 2021 #8,714
to vaccinate or lose their job.

"And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name. Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is 666."
Cargo pants 3 | 1,247
23 Nov 2021 #8,715
lose their welfare benefits and food stamps

This is why all these lefties are loosers.These people should be the first on list to be mandatory vaccinated.

Since each employer can and should make their own policy on this

They should just make one policy,vaccine or not,no ifs or buts.I know an United pilot who was so anti vaccine until United made it mandatory or you are out he sheepishly took the vaccine.
johnny reb 31 | 6,262
23 Nov 2021 #8,716
You dont answer the question. Who assumes liability for unvaccinated people in the workplace?

Oh horse hocky PolAm, the vaccinated spread the virus too or did you conveniently miss that part.

unvaccinated infects his parents before he dies, and they infect their parents who later die, and all 10 die because of a combination of covid,

What sensationalism as you never mentioned the people that test positive that don't even know they have it !
Keep following PolAm, Baaaaaa Baaaaa Baaaaa
Would it be a shock to you if you being fully vaccinated caught Covid and died ? :-o
It IS HAPPENING to the fully vaccinated or are you conveniently ignoring that too ?
What are the Moderna COVID-10 vaccine booster side effects?
(Noticed how they don't mention that the difference between the original Covid 19 to the booster Covid 10 ? More trickery)
The FDA said that the side effects from the third shot will be.
Muscle and joint aches.
Swelling or soreness at the injection site.
Fatigue.
Headache.
Chills or fever.
Swollen lymph nodes.
Sounds to me like the human body is keen on the experimental foreign substance being forcefully injected into it.
Novichok 1 | 5,101
23 Nov 2021 #8,717
The UN commissioner on employment reported yesterday that, worldwide, the number of government employees that lost their jobs due to covid-19 and the lockdowns was exactly 0, or, .0000000%.
Cargo pants 3 | 1,247
23 Nov 2021 #8,718
Moderna COVID-10 vaccine booster side effects?

JR,I got my third moderna booster over 62 hours now,I feel normal but I am constantly checking if I grow a second nose or a second penis but nothing YET lol.In fact my first 2 doses they never even showed me what they are injecting me with but the third one they even showed me the moderna vaccine vile(btl) before the shot.
johnny reb 31 | 6,262
23 Nov 2021 #8,719
I already had covid so I don't need a covid vaccine.
I have herd immunity. :-/
Joker 2 | 2,176
23 Nov 2021 #8,720
I got my third moderna booster over 62 hours now

I know of this Polish guy that owns a construction co in Chicago. He refused to get vaxxed and is always downplaying it as a joke and also told his employees they dont have get the jab as well. I just found out yesterday, hes in the hospital on a ventilator and probably is not going to make it. Hes in his mid 40`s....

Poles in Chicago seemly not wanting to get vaxxed, its strange, nobody is invisible.
Novichok 1 | 5,101
23 Nov 2021 #8,721
hes in the hospital on a ventilator and probably is not going to make it.

Being a contrarian is fun but has its limits. Not getting vaccinated is like swimming up Mississippi.
jon357 69 | 18,360
23 Nov 2021 #8,722
An interesting article in today's Telegraoh, saying that overall, the AstraZeneca vaccine may be more effective than the others.
johnny reb 31 | 6,262
23 Nov 2021 #8,723
Rochelle Walensky said, "Unvaccinated People are 14 Times More Likely to Die From COVID and 6 Times More Likely to Catch It."
Bratwurst Boy 12 | 11,636
23 Nov 2021 #8,724
At least something good comes out that pandemia.....german firms rethink China!

Troubled by supply chain woes, German firms diversify and relocate

reuters.com/markets/commodities/troubled-by-supply-chain-woes-german-firms-diversify-relocate-dihk-2021-11-23/

Survey shows every 2nd company has severe supply problems

Firms switch to new suppliers, shorten delivery lines

Asia, Eastern Europe benefitting from relocations

PolAmKrakow 2 | 1,046
23 Nov 2021 #8,725
@Cargo pants
I agree. My policy is be vaccinated or you dont work for me. That simple. I could just as easily say, only unvaccinated.

@johnny reb
And since the unvaccinated are more likely to have serious issues than vaccinated, why cant companies make their own policy freely? Just like they make hiring policy it should be their right to make a policy either way. The problem is if a policy is in place, and someone does not comply, they are out of a job. The other problem is, that the employer, for not enforcing a policy can become liable for damages should they knowingly not enforce.

No one GAF about anyone's "feelings" being hurt. Its life. My family and their financial wellbeing, health and needs come first. Dont like it, too bad. Thats how the real world works. It is in the end every man for themselves.
jon357 69 | 18,360
23 Nov 2021 #8,726
A link to today's report about the AstraZeneca vaccine and how it may well be more effective than the other options:

"He told the BBC's Radio 4 Today programme: "You have two.dimensions.to.this.immune response... one is the antibody response and two is the so called T-cell response.

"And the antibody response is what drives the immediate reaction or defence of the body when when you're attacked by the virus.

"And the T-cell response takes a little longer to come in. But it's actually more durable. It lasts longer. "

telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/11/23/astrazeneca-jab-could-reason-britain-faring-better-europe-says/
Dirk diggler 9 | 4,791
23 Nov 2021 #8,727
I already had covid so I don't need a covid vaccine.
I have herd immunity

Exactly.

I'm good on this whole vaccine/passport/mandate regiment. I refuse to participate in this guinea pig mickey mouse b.s. I find it ridiculous how if I drive 20 minutes north or east I don't have to wear a mask anywhere, yet here Karens start complaining if its not completely covering your nose.

No one is going to force me to put something in my body that I don't want, especially an experimental drug rushed through the FDA with all manner of short term side effects and deaths being hushed.
Novichok 1 | 5,101
23 Nov 2021 #8,728
It is in the end every man for themselves.

That is why the last thing on my mind is protecting others by wearing a mask. Get vaccinated if you (editorial) give a sh*it about yourself so I will not have to since I am all out of sh*it to give and running on empty.

A link to today's report about the AstraZeneca vaccine

Thank you, Mr. Drudge.
BTW, did you ever say anything controversial that is your opinion?
Korvinus 1 | 234
23 Nov 2021 #8,729
protecting others by wearing a mask

mask
Tlum 10 | 178
23 Nov 2021 #8,730
The evil Covid scammers have been implementing their plan. Now they push the "scientific fact" that the Covid vaccine efficiency "wane" in time. This is to implant the idea that the sudden deaths have nothing to do with the vaccines because they "disappear" from the system. Really? It's like saying that an HIV virus is going to disappear given enough time. With more propaganda, people will really believe that all those heart attacks, brain tumors, blood clots, etc. have nothing to do with the vaccine. Remember this is a lie.


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