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Coronavirus in Poland


amiga500 2 | 922
9 Oct 2021 #7,921
the real reason cases decrease and the government

I don't care about cases, i care about hospitlisation and ICU rates. and vaccinations reduce those quite effectively.
PolAmKrakow 2 | 949
9 Oct 2021 #7,922
@johnny reb
Dont care if a doctor ate a fetus for lunch and uses his feces 30 years later as the basis for the vaccine. MRNA vaccines do not use human tissue or cells. The J&J vaccine was based on cells I believe. Not sure how they do it and still do not care. Lives being saved by those cells.

Gospel news? LMAO yep, more reliable than FOX for sure.
jon357 67 | 17,552
9 Oct 2021 #7,923
cases

Remember that the more hosts there are for a virus, the more it mutates. This can be bad or good.
Korvinus 1 | 129
9 Oct 2021 #7,924
No surprise to anyone paying attention by now:

lifesitenews.com/news/covid-deaths-significantly-higher-among-vaccinated-individuals-in-scotland/
mafketis 29 | 9,976
9 Oct 2021 #7,925
Day 66 (or 56* or 06**) of the fourth wave...

percent of positive test results: 5.11% of 39,397 tests... firs time over 5 % in.... a while

hospitalization: +132= 2273

intensive care: +11 = 214

deaths: 29 (22 with comorbidities)

from the previous day***: seven day moving average of daily deaths : 24 (+2)

new feature: one year ago (Oct 8 2020) there were more the seven day moving average of cases and fatalities was a bit less than twice as high as now..

Currently infected (how ever they happen to calculate that....) some bogus number over 177,000.... (which kind of throws a lot of the other numbers into doubt as well...)

*the minister of health first announced the fourth wave for the second half of august but jumped the gun 10 days earlier saying it had already begun)

**more or less when it really began

***the source I use is a day behind and I'm too lazy to calculate on my own
mafketis 29 | 9,976
9 Oct 2021 #7,926
vaccinations reduce those quite effectiv

twitter.com/synxchaosu/status/1446469011542249486

INFECTIONS: 10,432
~vaccinated: 3584 [34,36%]
~unvaccinated: 6848 [65,64%]

DEATHS: 168
~vaccinated: 40 [23,81%]
~unvaccinated: 128 [76,19%]

To be fair, this doesn't control for age (since the elderly are far more at risk and are proportionately more vaccinated so some normal and expected deaths may end up being classified as covid when it was actually a bunch of other elderly conditions)
PolAmKrakow 2 | 949
9 Oct 2021 #7,927
@mafketis
While those numbers look better for the vaccinated, they do not differentiate dying "with" and dying "from". They also don't differentiate infected from "fully vaccinated" and "not fully vaccinated"

Still though they are numbers and they look to be from a fairly reliable source in Poland. I like nearly 66% better than 34% for sure, anyone who doesn't is free to keep to his or her choice.
johnny reb 31 | 5,774
9 Oct 2021 #7,928
"We're bred and taught to be like, 'vaccine is safer than actually getting COVID.'
New York needs vax cards for everything.
It's just about making it so inconvenient for unvaccinated people to the point where they're just like, 'F*ck it, I'll get it.'

I keep telling you...."There is a Big plan behind this yet to be seen."

dailytruthreport.com/veritas-pfizer-scientists-admit-natural-antibodies-beat-covid-19-vaccine-call-company-evil/
Miloslaw 12 | 3,116
9 Oct 2021 #7,929
..."There is a Big plan behind this yet to be seen."

You are one of these morons that believe these dumb American conspiracy theories.
No brain of.your own, no logic, just follow the gullible like a sheep...what a waste of space!
mafketis 29 | 9,976
9 Oct 2021 #7,930
these morons that believe these dumb American conspiracy theories.

they're not conspiracy theories, they're "the official story doesn't add up" theories.... not all are right but you have to be deaf, dumb and blind to not realize that most covid policies are about control (economic and otherwise) and have precious little to do with public health (which is being systematically dismantled in favor of shoveling taxpayer money to big pharma).

If you're okay with that, then.... fine.
jon357 67 | 17,552
9 Oct 2021 #7,931
believe these dumb American conspiracy theories.

They don't even believe that stuff themselves. They just spit it out in order to vex people and make mischief.
Miloslaw 12 | 3,116
9 Oct 2021 #7,932
They just spit it out in order to vex people and make mischief.

Agreed. Surely nobody could actually be be stupid enough to believe that nonsense.
Could they?
johnny reb 31 | 5,774
9 Oct 2021 #7,933
they're "the official story doesn't add up" theories...

Thank you maf as these Limey's follow like sheep to the slaughter and get vexed when they are mentally challenged.

and make mischief.

No jon, it's more like make people think for themselves when the dots don't connect.
Novichok 1 | 4,255
9 Oct 2021 #7,934
they're not conspiracy theories, they're "the official story doesn't add up" theories...

Perfect line.

They don't add up and even the most naive and the uneducated know that lockdowns are not sustainable - no matter what - since we must consume to stay alive.

So lockdowns can only be partial and once per a very long time. With that being the case, don't do them at all, or lockdowns are done for different reasons that have nothing to do with public health issues. At best as CYA now and kick the bucket past the next elections.
mafketis 29 | 9,976
9 Oct 2021 #7,935
lockdowns are not sustainable

they're economic gold for the tech oligarchs... so they've become an economic factor (and not part of rational health policy).

bonus: stupid policies are likely leading to a Marek's scenario

boriquagato.substack.com/p/updating-the-uk-data-on-ve-vs-delta
johnny reb 31 | 5,774
9 Oct 2021 #7,936
lockdowns are done for different reasons that have nothing to do with public health issues.

WoW, that's the first time I have heard that.
Are you sure or is that just another conspiracy theory ?
jon357 67 | 17,552
9 Oct 2021 #7,937
Could they?

Some here probably are, however the origin of the tripe they try to sling is simple old-fashioned wickedness.
johnny reb 31 | 5,774
9 Oct 2021 #7,938
however the origin of the tripe

You mean leading authorities like the scientists and I don't mean the scientists that admitted to lying.
Try as hard as you want jon but without credible sources to back up your personal opinions they are meaningless old fashion wickedness.
jon357 67 | 17,552
9 Oct 2021 #7,939
credible sources

Is your CDC a credible source?
Novichok 1 | 4,255
10 Oct 2021 #7,941
Is your CDC a credible source?

As credible as the government sources that gave us the Tonkin Resolution to start Vietnam and the WMD in Iraq. The only way to keep your sanity is by assuming that these bastards are lying 24/7/365.

From:

nydailynews.com/new-york/nyc-crime/ny-mask-attack-apple-store-meatpacking-district-20211009-jshgvuj2u5a2bmbyvuawnv7hd4-story.html

Man attacks, stabs Manhattan Apple store guard over COVID mask rule

That was not nice but excusable since looting that Apple stores did not stir the police into action not so long ago.
PolAmKrakow 2 | 949
10 Oct 2021 #7,942
@Novichok
They all lie. There is a virus. There are vaccines. The virus will kill some people. The vaccines might kill some people. The vaccines dont kill everyone and they do protect a lot of people. The virus doesnt kill everyone either, and if you survive it you are less likely to get infected or die from it the second time you get it. If you get the virus and the vaccine, you are allegedly the most protected from dying if you get the virus again.

Pretty simple to understand.

Lets review the lockdowns. Small business was decimated. Some big business benefited. Governments shelled out billions in aid, and billions more to a few drug companies. The lockdowns like we had are unlikely to come back. Smaller, shorter ones are possible, but long wonts are not likely to return.

So now that the world is conditioned to dealing with virus, the citizens will be better equipped for the next one. The problem is and always has been the government and hospitals are not equipped to handle another one even after experiencing this one. Governments and hospitals have learned nothing.

A mass conspiracy to create a new world order? They are not smart enough as a collective to carry it out. Their own greed would get in the way. All these nonsensical theories lack that one credible piece. Who would be in charge? Who is orchestrating everything? When there is no obvious answer the answer is no one.
Novichok 1 | 4,255
10 Oct 2021 #7,943
They are not smart enough as a collective to carry it out.

That's exactly what I said to my buddy today. Conspiracies require brains, coordination, and secrecy. The human parasites that form the government anywhere are not capable of all three. So I agree with you 100% on this subject. However, just as Hillary said so eloquently, wasting this rare opportunity to make some rich and to test how to lie, manipulate, and control the gullible and the obedient, was irresistible to the control freaks.

The lockdowns like we had are unlikely to come back.

Even the first one was idiotic and similar to paying blackmail. Either you are ready to pay forever or don't pay after the first demand.

Either lockdowns are approved as an effective response to "pandemics" each time we have them or not. There is no room or need for any grayness or the "just this time" kind of nonsense.

For the record, I got two shots of Modera and the "booster".
cms neuf - | 1,607
10 Oct 2021 #7,944
Smaller lockdowns might come back but I'm not complying - I obeyed the first 2 lockdowns, now I'm vaccinated and that's it.
mafketis 29 | 9,976
10 Oct 2021 #7,945
Small business was decimated. Some big business benefited. Governments shelled out billions in aid, and billions more to a few drug companies.

So they were ultimately economic in nature and won't change for non-economic factors like vaccinatiokn rates ("When we reach X (arbitrary number or percentage) the government will let us out again!")

government and hospitals are not equipped to handle another one

The Just-in-time economy (part and parcel of neoliberalism) sees any kind of spare capacity as waste and loss. It's like 'overproduction' was demonized by the communists.... but both spare capactiy and overproduction are needed for most people to have any kind of enjoyable life...

So even after 18 months no government has done d[ck to build up healthcare spare capacity.... good job numnutz! You've proven there's no reason to listen to you.

In the medium long term, the "pandemic" will have done the most damage in corroding public trust (necessary to run a civil society). Third world or soviet style cynicism will only spread and make first world countries that much more crappy....
Korvinus 1 | 129
10 Oct 2021 #7,946
Germans must now wear a yellow button to show the unvaccinated that they have been vaccinated

star

rp-online.de/nrw/staedte/moers/moers-gelber-ansteckknopf-wirbt-fuers-impfen_aid-63323479

hmm... that reminds me of..something...hmmm i wonder what?
mafketis 29 | 9,976
10 Oct 2021 #7,947
Day 67 (or 57* or 07**) of the fourth wave...

percent of positive test results: 5.9% of 25,846 tests... closing in on 6 %

hospitalization: +54= 2327

intensive care: +12 = 226

deaths: 5 (4 with comorbidities)

from the previous day***: seven day moving average of daily deaths : 25 (+1)

Currently infected (how ever they happen to calculate that....) some bogus number over 177,000.... (which kind of throws a lot of the other numbers into doubt as well...)

*the minister of health first announced the fourth wave for the second half of august but jumped the gun 10 days earlier saying it had already begun)

**more or less when it really began

***the source I use is a day behind and I'm too lazy to calculate on my own
jon357 67 | 17,552
10 Oct 2021 #7,948
Yes and what are your sources ?

I don't need any. It isn't a 'debate'.

Germans must now wear

No they don't.

Looks like vaccine take up is improving here in Poland.

And in shopping malls here, I notice that almost everybody chooses to wear a mask.
PolAmKrakow 2 | 949
10 Oct 2021 #7,949
@Korvinus
Complete lie, I have employees in Germany and no such thing.
jon357 67 | 17,552
10 Oct 2021 #7,950
Complete lie,

He's basically punting out weird 'qanon' stuff about non-existent 'satanic' cults in a thread about Covid in Poland, something that (unlike the 'satanic' stuff) is very real and affects everybody.


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