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Coronavirus in Poland


Spike31 3 | 1,638
21 Mar 2020 #721
I'm not sure if "engeeners and surgeons" from Africa and the middle-east are a good fit for that but you can try.

The alternative is that, God forbid, Germans would have to do the dirty work. Germany is not self-sufficient and Poland has a huge food production surplus and is one of the major exporters of food products in Europe. Poland has also the largest truck fleet [for supply chain] in the EU.

So if this coronahysteria goes any longer we could make a great deal of money on that. If we had a Trump as our president we would already negotiated a lucrative deal on that :-)
cms neuf - | 1,589
21 Mar 2020 #722
But the truck fleet needs petrol and spare parts

We also need masks vaccines and equipment

Everything is interconnected

How is Trump managing his own country at the moment ?

Spike this crisis would be a good time to trial your night watchman state - the only duty of the govt being security.

Imagine life now with no state hospitals, transport or sanitation
mafketis 23 | 8,404
21 Mar 2020 #723
Everything is interconnected

Yeah.... maybe paper thin global supply chains that depend on the goodwill of a ruthless communist government weren't such a good idea after all.... who'd a thunk it?
Spike31 3 | 1,638
21 Mar 2020 #724
It is not the virus which is the problem but the reaction of the masses steered by mass media. One year from now you'll gain a fresh perspective and reflect on those events asking yourself how stupid it was.

This virus is just another variation of the flu virus that we'll have to live with but the destructive impact on the economy is real. Of course there are some benefits of this situation like taking over control of a national borders by the EU countries and proving once more that the "EU solidarity" is a bullshit in time of crisis. So a healthy dose of realism.

That said, the first country which would wake up will get a headstart and will be the [economical] winner. And the first thing what I'll do when the hysteria is over is to go for a cheap holiday to Italy :-)
Weimarer 10 | 620
21 Mar 2020 #725
Well, we have lots of aspargus fields here and since the poles are locked out, we need alternatives for harvesting it.

Btw Germany is self sufficient in food. We are at 96%. Poland is at 82%.
cms neuf - | 1,589
21 Mar 2020 #726
When this is finished we will still want cellphones, tv, cars with rubber tyres, computers, wine, cotton clothes etc - none of those could be produced from scratch in Poland whatever system we have
pawian 170 | 11,349
21 Mar 2020 #727
We are at 96%. Poland is at 82%.

Weim, I admire your devotion to Polish matters. You do sound so fascinated and interested. Keep up the good jobm tell us more about Poland.
Torq 32 | 2,999
21 Mar 2020 #728
Poland is at 82%.

Ridiculous.

Polish farming could feed 120 million people if necessary, so we are at 350%.

Sure, we import some bananas, oranges, rice etc. but we can do without it and survive on our own Polish food only. :)
OP Braveheart16 18 | 195
21 Mar 2020 #729
Latest news from Italy.....lets just hope Poland is paying attention to the disaster that awaits any country which doesn't isolate....Poland acted quickly which is to their credit... The news story is a stark warning.

news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-everyone-dies-alone-heartbreak-at-the-italian-hospital-on-the-brink-of-collapse-11961130
PolAmKrakow 1 | 434
21 Mar 2020 #730
"none of those could be produced from scratch in Poland whatever system we have"

True. All of those things can be produced in Japan, USA, Australia, India, and other countries besides China. While some are being vilified for blaming China publicly, I think the blame falls squarely on them and it should. There is no other way to hold them accountable for their multiple releases of virus other than financial. Cut them off, isolate them, and maybe they wont be responsible for another.
cms neuf - | 1,589
21 Mar 2020 #731
By that logic America should have been cut off for causing the 2008 crash and all the turmoil that followed.

It is also obvious that by cutting them off you will just create a heavily armed paranoid state - like the USSR - with an army of hackers etc.

China holds huge amount of American debt - isolating them would crash the US economy immediately. And the blank cheques being written this week by western governments need Asians to buy the debt

My point however is not only about China, rather that we need trade to sustain modern living.

That means accepting good and bad sides of the people we trade with
PolAmKrakow 1 | 434
21 Mar 2020 #732
If the world cuts off China there is nothing China can do.

The 2008 crash? Comparing disease to financial disaster is like comparing apples to basketballs. The 2008 crash, was not only a USA centered financial crisis, it was knowingly developed financial risk on a global international banking scale. It wasnt just Wall Street, it was domestic and international bankers.

China holding USA debt. Indeed they hold a majority of it. Maybe every country sending them the bill for all of this disaster they unleashed would be enough? Maybe international lawsuits from every family that experiences a death do to China? How much are those lives worth?

This is not a USA vs China situation, this is everyone vs China in theory. Nothing "has to be" accepted.
cms neuf - | 1,589
21 Mar 2020 #733
But by "everybody" you mean the US and Western Europe - the other 80 percent of the worlds people probably see it differently.

Your solutions are even more ridiculous for being typed on a Chinese computer and sent via a Chinese router
Crow 139 | 8,609
21 Mar 2020 #734
If the world cuts off China there is nothing China can do.

But dobri Pane brate, how can one cut off nuclear power that is causally and strategically connected to other nuclear powers? Its impossible. You try to kill nuclear power by blockade (cut off, as you say), in its final extent is always attempt to kill it. Nuclear powers then respond best (or worse) it can. Then you have chain reaction of nuclear responds of all nuclear powers and you, if survive, thinks of Corona as of good old romantic times.

bill for all of this disaster they unleashed

We don`t know who or what unleashed the Corona. Maybe nature itself. So, let us calm and let us preserve sanity. After all, let us learn to coexist and cooperate in order to prosper together.
PolAmKrakow 1 | 434
21 Mar 2020 #735
Ok Crow, the studies have already been done and China has all but admitted it when they finally notified other countries of the coming pandemic.

My computer built in Japan and Japanese router. Maybe some Chinese components, but other companies could make them just as well, perhaps not as cheaply.

As for nuclear powers, China may be dumb, but they are not that dumb. Blockades to Russia and China worked for decades.

I am willing to bet there are financial penalties for China. Not only from families who have loses but from business who have billions and countries who have trillions in loses.
Vesko Vukovic 1 | 250
21 Mar 2020 #736
We don`t know who or what unleashed the Corona.

youtu.be/rFlIsExgrUc

According to this Croatian Admiral the virus is a product of the Globalists with which the Vatican is attacked and keeps Catholics away from churches.

He concludes that God, Putin and Trump will save us.

:)
cms neuf - | 1,589
21 Mar 2020 #737
And where are we going to claim those financial penalties?

In international courts that for years America has refused to join and even in the last few years Trump has pulled the US out of those conventions
PolAmKrakow 1 | 434
21 Mar 2020 #738
The United States does not have to join any international court for individual entities to take action on their own. Persons, corporations, and countries have brought action many times in many places. Other countries have brought actions against individual entities as well, Facebook is an example.

When you commit an actionable offense, and you avail yourself to that jurisdiction, your nationality has zero to do with it. A relatively strong argument can be made that China, by virtue of their cover up, and then allowing infected persons to leave for all points in the world, availed itself to all of those jurisdictions by doing so.

As for God, Putin and Trump saving everyone? That was intended to be funny I hope. Trump, and the United States government officials who were aware of this coming pandemic months ago have blood on their hands for failing to act then. But of course no one wants to talk about failing to act either.
Spike31 3 | 1,638
21 Mar 2020 #739
Latest news from Italy..

Well, Italians are drama queens everyone knows that, football fans especially ;-)

They're just making it sound much worse than it really is, that's their national trait. The fact that they are the second oldest nation in the world, right after Japanese, doesn't help the situation either. The old people with lifelong history of accumulated sickness and diseases are an easy target for flu virus.

Common flu kills them in hundret of thousands a year, it doesn't have to be trendy "coronavirus".

who.int/news-room/detail/14-12-2017-up-to-650-000-people-die-of-respiratory-diseases-linked-to-seasonal-flu-each-year
Joker 1 | 1,586
21 Mar 2020 #740
But of course no one wants to talk about failing to act either.

Nobody wants to talk about how China suppressed and censored Information from the virus outbreak either, because its the PC thing to do.

China officials knew of coronavirus in December, ordered cover-up, report says

nypost.com/2020/02/29/china-officials-knew-of-coronavirus-in-december-ordered-cover-up-report-says/

npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2020/02/08/803766743/critics-say-china-has-suppressed-and-censored-information-in-coronavirus-outbrea
OP Braveheart16 18 | 195
21 Mar 2020 #741
Spike31 old people with lifelong history of accumulated sickness and diseases are an easy target for flu virus.

It is true that Italy has a high percentage of elderly....(mediteranean diet etc...) and of course that accounts for the high number of deaths, but the main problem with the virus in Italy is that action was not taken early enough....eg. shutting down shops etc and isolating the population. This will serve as a warning for other countries.
Atch 17 | 3,224
21 Mar 2020 #742
A group of volunteers in Ireland are developing a a low-cost, easy-to-assemble ventilator to be distributed globally, hoping to start testing prototype in the next few weeks, could help with the shortage of ventilators. It's an Open Source project and no profit is involved, in collaboration with the Irish Health Service. Would be great if they can get it off the ground and save lives.

opensourceventilatorireland.com/
pawian 170 | 11,349
21 Mar 2020 #743
A group of volunteers in Ireland are developing a a low-cost, easy-to-assemble ventilator

Why volunteers and not scientists? It doesn`t sound too professional.
Atch 17 | 3,224
21 Mar 2020 #744
They are volunteer doctors, engineers, designers etc :)) You should take a look at the website.

"To date we have formed a team of engineers, designers and medical practitioners to develop new, low resource interventions, all working collaboratively online."

Because it involves electronics and computer 3d printing it needs a team of software engineers as well as the doctors and medical experts.
Bratwurst Boy 6 | 10,590
21 Mar 2020 #745
They're just making it sound much worse than it really is, that's their national trait

Over 800 dead in a day....some drama!

PS: The first french patients (from Alsace) are being transferred to german hospitals because lack of french care beds with respiration capacities.

twitter.com/KlinkertBrigitt/status/1241421479360815109?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1241421479360815109&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Ftagesspiegel.de%2Fwissen%2Fcoronavirus-in-deutschland-und-der-welt-beatmungsplaetze-im-elsass-werden-knapp-franzoesische-patienten-in-freiburg-eingetroffen%2F25560996.html

twitter.com/schydlowski1/status/1241428947134447616

Germany plans to stop evictions because of rent arrears...also power, gas and water will be kept going even without payments...everybody who applies for benefits now will get them without further examination...

If that isn't socialism I dunno!
Weimarer 10 | 620
21 Mar 2020 #746
Good news in those dark times. German pharma giant Bayer discovered a med that works against COVID-19.

A combination of the malaria medication Hydroxychloroquine and Azithromycin worked 100% on 400 patients

sd

Germany secured large quanitities of the medication for itself and also for France. USA also gets 3 million units of it.

As it looks like, this horror will soon be over. This medication is no vaccine, which will still take time. But it makes the sickness cureable and takes away its danger.
Bratwurst Boy 6 | 10,590
21 Mar 2020 #747
You better provide links for your statements....
mafketis 23 | 8,404
21 Mar 2020 #748
Germany secured large quanitities of the medication for itself

Germany looking out for Germany and telling the rest of Europe to fvkk off and die.... quelle surprise!
Bratwurst Boy 6 | 10,590
21 Mar 2020 #749
No surprise that you act immediately on it even without any confirmation link for that....it supports you prejudice quite well, right?
delphiandomine 85 | 18,266
21 Mar 2020 #750
One year from now you'll gain a fresh perspective

You better pray for it to be the case, because Poland is woefully unprepared for the Italian or Spanish scenario. Hospitals are begging on social media for basic supplies, there's huge issues with testing, and now we're seeing the first major jump in infections.

If the much wealthier Italy and Spain can't cope, Poland has no chance.

You only have to look at how difficult it is to even get tested in Poland against how the Germans are doing it.


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