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Dirk diggler 9 | 4,550
20 Mar 2020 #691
That gives us 0,18% mortality rate just like common flu.

Wrong.

Common flu (influenza) actually kills far more - about 60k a year worldwide, 20k in USA.

That's why I refuse to be brought into this panic and am only looking at the positives - 1) europe is FINALLY patrolling and enforcing their borders meaning turd worlders won't be able to get in 2) work is slow 3) several blue chips are being sold at a huge bargain for longer term holds i.e. restaurants, hotels, even a few retail stocks 4) free $$$ from Trump 5) no traffic even during rush hour 6) gas is cheap and much much more

I'm starting to like coronavirus = )
Rich Mazur 4 | 3,752
20 Mar 2020 #692
I'm starting to like coronavirus = )

Hey, I was first who said that.
You forgot the blow back against the globalists and China.
pawian 170 | 11,349
20 Mar 2020 #693
Hey, I was first who said that.

Life can be tricky so be careful coz the virus might also take to you one day.
jon357 63 | 15,214
20 Mar 2020 #694
It isn't called the Boomer Doomer for nothing...
AntV 2 | 192
20 Mar 2020 #695
I looked for an english speaking source before but couldn't find any..

I know, i'm just busting your chops.

I really think we need to keep an eye out for that anti-body thingie!

It would be great.

The governor expects 25,5 million cases....how will they handle these masses???

They won't. That's why I'm on board with locking down: I don't want the hospitals to be overrun by covid.

Especially all the people without any health insurance. Horrifying...

Health insurance or not, you show up at any hospital in the US, you get treated. One of the myths floating out there is you won't be treated if you aren't covered by insurance or don't pay up front. It's illegal for a hospital to turn someone away if they need med care.

My biggest fear is hospitals not having capacity for those who have urgent med issues other than covid, because covid is absorbing too much of the hospital's resources. So, I'm all for this lockdown.
johnny reb 23 | 4,518
20 Mar 2020 #696
Common sense goes a long way,

Unfortunately self centered self serving come up short in that category.
They should be sprayed with indelible ink when ignoring the health and welfare of others so when they show up at the emergency room they can be turned down so they don't take up room for someone that they infected.

This would be an excellent way to cull the ass holes out of society.

To many arseholes who still run around needlessly and ignore all warnings and pleadings!

That is because the Progressive Liberals have instilled the fact that there are no consequences when you don't listen and continue to do what YOU want.

My generation got our pants warmed up when we didn't listen to authority but that since has been outlawed.
Now look what we have running around in society because of it.
A whole lot of ass holes that are jeopardizing other peoples health and happiness.
My fear is that these morons will keep pushing it until Marshal law is implemented and ruins it for all of us.
Keep your hands washed with lots of soap and water often is the best preventative.
Bratwurst Boy 6 | 10,590
20 Mar 2020 #697
It's illegal for a hospital to turn someone away if they need med care.

That's really good to hear!

A whole lot of ass holes that are jeopardizing other peoples health and happiness.

They are everywhere...horrible!
johnny reb 23 | 4,518
20 Mar 2020 #698
Just start shooting them and after one day the rest of them might get it.
Spike31 3 | 1,637
20 Mar 2020 #699
Deliberate misinformation. Does he believe he's being lied to?

Calculation based on data from "Diamond Princess". I don't want to convince the majority, it's impossible in situation like this when strong emotion triggers irrational behaviour. Well, it's impossible even in normal situation. I only want to appeal to a few more logical minds.

Common flu (influenza) actually kills far more

I'm talking about mortality rate not total death numbers, which are obviously much higher for common flu like you said. But common flu is not so fashionable these days and nobody counts those deaths in mass media.

I would like to read the article if you would share the source.

I've gathered it from a few different sources but I've just found a good article about it in Science News which puts some more light on it:

sciencenews.org/article/coronavirus-outbreak-diamond-princess-cruise-ship-death-rate
mafketis 23 | 8,404
20 Mar 2020 #700
It's illegal for a hospital to turn someone away if they need med care

But it's not illegal for them to charge several arms and legs and drive the uninsured into inescapable debt - which means that many uninsured don't seek medical care...
Atch 17 | 3,224
20 Mar 2020 #701
Tell it to those street exercise maniacs in Dublin. :)

Well, as long as the keep a safe distance apart it's no bother:))

Are they panic buying where you are?

Not at the moment. However, I predict another spate of bulk, if not panic, buying. When people realize that the lockdown will carry on well into April, if not May they will start worrying about future shortages if supply chains are disrupted. The government should issue a directive to retailers that only 'x' number of any one product are allowed per customer and provision needs to be made for those relying on state pension and other low income households.

Btw The Football Association of Ireland and the National League Executive Committee have set the weekend beginning 19 June as a target date for the resumption of SSE Airtricity League football. Now they wouldn't announce that publicly unless they consulted the government first so it gives you an idea of how long things will take to return to 'normal'. Not too bad really. Three months.
jon357 63 | 15,214
20 Mar 2020 #702
However, I predict another spate of bulk, if not panic, buying

This looks likely. Some UK supermarkets are limiting sales; perhaps that's the way to go here.
AntV 2 | 192
20 Mar 2020 #703
@mafketis

There's something called charitable care provisions.

It's true some folks have to declare bankruptcy but it's not as widespread as many would like us to think.

The real argument is cost of care, which is driven by many factors-one big one being government regulations and control. There's an interesting correlation between rising costs and medicare expansion.

BB has probably already posted this :), but if not:

nbcnews.com/health/health-news/experimental-drug-holds-promise-treating-coronavirus-n1158316
dolnoslask 5 | 2,871
20 Mar 2020 #704
return to 'normal'.

Hope so , I am glad that we are in Poland during this time, in the uk my 85 yer old mum, and brother with heart issues cant find food in supermarkets.
AntV 2 | 192
20 Mar 2020 #705
retailers that only 'x' number of any one product are allowed per custome

Are any of the stores doing this themselves? Here in my mid-sized Midwest USA city most, if not all, have been rationing certain products. Although, there are some shoppers who are trying to game the system.
Torq 32 | 2,999
20 Mar 2020 #706
Health insurance or not, you show up at any hospital in the US, you get treated.

And then you get a huge bill to pay. That's why millions of people without any health insurance avoid going anywhere near a hospital. That's one thing about the US that I find despicable in the 21st century - tens of millions of people without access to basic health services. Get it sorted, Anti - surely the only global superpower can afford a public health service?
dolnoslask 5 | 2,871
20 Mar 2020 #707
tens of millions of people without access

And sadly about 4 million in Poland.
johnny reb 23 | 4,518
20 Mar 2020 #708
- tens of millions of people without accessto basic health services.

Are you deaf ?
Both myself and AntV have explained this to you in detail yet you keep posting your fake news.

One of the myths floating out there is you won't be treated if you aren't covered by insurance

Please quit repeating your b.s. propaganda. Torq.
There is no truth to that.
Did you see Trump on t.v. today ?
He said, "GET THE HELL OFF THOSE BEACHES !"
And here is the latest from the U.S. today:
BREAKING NEWS: Illinois governor to issue order requiring residents 'shelter in place' starting Saturday, sources say.
pawian 170 | 11,349
20 Mar 2020 #709
Both myself and AntV have explained this to you in detail yet you keep posting your fake news.

Really?
About 44 million people in this country have no health insurance, and another 38 million have inadequate health insurance. This means that nearly one-third of Americans face each day without the security of knowing that, if and when they need it, medical care is available to them and their families.

Who is posting fake news?
Torq 32 | 2,999
20 Mar 2020 #710
4 million in Poland

What? Where did you get that from?

About 1.5 million Polish citizens are not insured in Poland, but they are mainly emigrants currently abroad,
or people working in the grey zone. In Poland, even if you are unemployed but registered unemployed,
you get health insurance. Also, if your spouse is insured, you can use his/her insurance, children use their parents'
insurance etc.

Our public health service is far from perfect, but we do have it, and it's a solidarity based service - even the poor people can have their family doctor visits, specialists (after a long wait most of the time, true) or necessary surgeries for free.

Please quit repeating your b.s. propaganda. Torq.

"In 2018, 8.5 percent of people, or 27.5 million, did not have health insurance at any point during the year. The uninsured rate and number of uninsured increased from 2017 (7.9 percent or 25.6 million)."

census.gov/library/publications/2019/demo/p60-267.html
jon357 63 | 15,214
20 Mar 2020 #711
Both myself and AntV have explained this to you in detail yet you keep posting your fake news.

So nobody goes bankrupt there due to hospital bills?
johnny reb 23 | 4,518
20 Mar 2020 #712
Listen up you rum dumbs as I am done explaining it to you.
If you have no insurance and you need medical treatment they CAN NOT turn you away. PERIOD !
If you have no money they can't take your house to pay your medical bill.
They can't get blood from a rock.
And as Dirk has already explained to you six times, "As long as you are making an effort to pay on your medical bill every month even if it is just $20 they can't do squat to you."

There, I did not stutter as I hope you get it this time.
EVERYONE gets medical attention in America that needs it.
The write off for hospitals are in the billions.
The hospitals still get paid for their services on hugely padded bills they know that they will never collect on.
And people that can't afford medical insurance they qualify for Medicaid (government welfare health ins) that covers everything.
Did ya get that ?
I sure the hell hope so you bunch of jealous foreigner yo yo's.
johnny reb 23 | 4,518
20 Mar 2020 #713
Do we have a prize for the first PFer to "get it"?

We are all going to get it before this is over I am afraid.
dolnoslask 5 | 2,871
20 Mar 2020 #714
No we are not , I will have taken a vaccine long before I would ever catch it.

Get someone to do your shopping and get them to leave it on your doorstop until they sort the vaccine.
dolnoslask 5 | 2,871
20 Mar 2020 #715
Latest Polish schools closed til Christmas.

Plenty of surf work for teachs here in Dolnoland, you can keep 50%of what you grow !!!!
Bratwurst Boy 6 | 10,590
20 Mar 2020 #716
Germany plans to ask refugees and immigrants to go to the fields and do the work other Europeans did before the borders were closed....you know...farming spargel and strawberries and such...as harvest helper....who would have thought that possible...

tellerreport.com/news/2020-03-20---harvester--julia-kl%C3%B6ckner-wants-to-send-unemployed-and-refugees-to-fields-.ry1f_wzI8.html
mafketis 23 | 8,404
20 Mar 2020 #717
In other news, Germany has not been paying attention to the fact that most of the Merkel youth admitted in 2015 feels vastly superior to Germans and has no intention _whatsoever_ in earning their keep. They're there, you're supposed to pay for them.... case closed.

Latest Polish schools closed til Christmas.

You mean Easter I think or are you joking and/or gone completely insane? not a long trip I assume.... :)
dolnoslask 5 | 2,871
20 Mar 2020 #718
completely insane?

Watch the space .............
delphiandomine 85 | 18,266
20 Mar 2020 #719
They're there, you're supposed to pay for them.... case closed.

Or maybe not. A Merkel policy of making it clear that they either get to work or have their refugee status revoked would soon focus minds, especially if they were shown pictures of the chaos on the Eastern border.
Rich Mazur 4 | 3,752
21 Mar 2020 #720
Germany plans to ask refugees

What happened to telling, demanding, or forcing? No balls for that?


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