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Coronavirus in Poland


jon357 67 | 16,655
9 May 2021 #6,421
A virus is gonna virus and lockdowns don't stop that they just put it off...

That is the whole point. To slow the spread of an illness in order that infrastructure is neither overwhelmed nor breaks down.
Novichok 1 | 2,534
9 May 2021 #6,422
That is the whole point.

The point is that the little Hitlers in the US didn't know where to stop binging on power. Try to explain locking outdoors tennis courts. Or wearing masks in Polish parks or on the beaches. Or boating on Lake Michigan like that bi*tch governor there did.
PolAmKrakow 1 | 769
9 May 2021 #6,423
@jon357
Actually the point is that the majority of the people on this planet should not be forced into a prison so that the small and finite minority can survive when they wont survive much longer anyway.

The point is that mindless people trust the government to lead them to water. Yet, when leading them to water, the walk through the desert is so far away people die of dehydration. Slowing the spread of illness is prolonging the death rate and suffering.

Sorry, but in a war, and this is a war, the marines go in and people die. You get it over with. If not for these useless lockdowns, governments would have been exposed for incompetence and people would die. Not many more people than already died. But the pandemic would have run its course and more people would have saved their livelihoods.

If you think people aren't committing suicide, or becoming homeless, or loosing everything you clearly don't have a grip on things. And if you think that's ok to save a few people for a little longer than they would have had then you need to take off your rose colored glasses and see the world for what it is. The rainbow unicorn utopian society where everyone is equal and the playing field is equal doesn't exist.
Novichok 1 | 2,534
9 May 2021 #6,424
ok to save a few people for a little longer than they would have had

That's the critical point! Lockdowns and masks don't save lives. In the 80+ group with the underlying, they may at best prolong the process of dying.

The irony: members of that group expect the rest of the tribe to spare no money keeping them alive and, at the same time, are for lockdowns! Duh! It doesn't get any more stupid.

I guess, the ruling mob can just print what they cannot collect as taxes people pay when employed.
Bratwurst Boy 11 | 10,702
9 May 2021 #6,425
We will never get back to normal!

After current statistics about 80 million people (of about 1.2 billion infected) are suffering the symptoms of "long Covid" (mainly fatigue, breathlessness, so called "brain fog") and will be unable to return to the work they used to do before they got infected. Many of them will be unable to work anymore at all, without a cure in sight.

That will have especially dire short and long term consequences for the labour markets in the highly industrial economies!

focus.de/partner/economist/long-covid-syndrom-arbeitgeber-und-das-gesundheitswesen-muessen-sich-besser-auf-long-covid-patienten-einstellen_id_13271500.html
johnny reb 30 | 5,232
9 May 2021 #6,426
Lockdowns and masks don't save lives.

Where is that dead horse that has been beaten to death by two members here repeating themselves post after post.
One more time for the morons that are to thick to get it the first ten times now......
At the beginning Covid was an unknown so the world did the best they knew AT THE TIME which was lock downs and masks.
We learned as we went learning more about the unknown Covid every day in the last year or so.
Only loudmouths condemn by using hind sight to promote their no brainer intelligence.

In the 80+ group with the underlying, they may at best prolong the process of dying.

Everyone that is 80+ have underlying causes to die without factoring in Covid. duh !
How old are you Ricky ? 79 ?

80 million people (of about 1.2 billion infected) are suffering

And our two Mr. Atlas's here would say, 'F-em'...............when fitness has nothing to do with Long Haulers.
PolAmKrakow 1 | 769
9 May 2021 #6,427
@johnny reb
You cant continue to take the discussion personally.

Sure, at first, I and everyone else pretty much was in favor of lockdowns. Six months later, knowing they dont work, everyone should be against them. Its really pretty simple. The panic mob though, cant breath without the life giving panic generating news. This is simply not a global killer and only one tent of on percent were at risk of death. Maybe one percent at risk of infection, but only one tenth of on percent at risk of death. You have longer odds crossing a busy street.
mafketis 25 | 9,305
9 May 2021 #6,428
about 80 million people (of about 1.2 billion infected) are suffering the symptoms of "long Covid"

One article (can't find the link google makes looking for things like that... difficult) indicated that most people claiming to have "long covid" have never had covid at all (no record of a positive test and no antibodies).... so.... probably it's not that big of a problem....
jon357 67 | 16,655
9 May 2021 #6,429
so that the small and finite minority can survive when they wont survive much longer anyway.

It's not so much about that, more about preventing (very fragile) infrastructure from breaking down.

The point is that mindless people trust the government to lead them to water.

Sadly true. In some cases (I'm thinking of the UK and US here) those very governments scrapped the existing contingency plans to deal with pandemics just before one actually appeared.

If you think people aren't committing suicide, or becoming homeless, or loosing everything

So many are. The eviction moratorium in the UK ends soon and homelessness will increase, plus the number of workplaces that haven't survived is a tragedy.
Novichok 1 | 2,534
9 May 2021 #6,430
The eviction moratorium in the UK ends soon and homelessness will increase,

...as many who were allowed to stay rent-free are now broke and unable to pay rent. Duh!
PolAmKrakow 1 | 769
10 May 2021 #6,431
@jon357
In the first lockdown here in Poland, there was a deferral program for people paying loans and credit card debt. I have not head about any such program for these subsequent lockdowns here. While I am not certain on this, if they didn't extend the program here, we are probably going to see a whole lot of new bankruptcies this summer. I have not heard of any rent deferral programs here either. I know that the Krakow city offices have not waived or discounted rent for any business during the pandemic.

I understand this was all about protecting the fragile and poorly developed infrastructure. The issue is that the government is responsible for the fragility in the first place. Yet, private industry and citizens are now being forced to pay for the governments ineptitude.

I did run into a friend last night who owns a few restaurants in Krakow. He did get some assistance with payroll for keeping his chefs working but got nothing to help cover rents on buildings. Even while doing take out and delivery on a limited menu, business is down more than 70% and he, along with others he knows in the business, is bleeding cash having to mortgage his apartment that was paid for in order to keep his restaurants through the pandemic.

This is happening all over Poland and the world. When once cash flush business people are now going in debt personally to keep their business from disappearing the economy is in very big trouble.
mafketis 25 | 9,305
10 May 2021 #6,432
Jes' the numbers for those interested in facts....

percent of positive test results: 5.50 % (of 36,900 tests ... the new normal is clearly less than 10%)

hospital admissions: -231 (sixth day of negative numbers)

deaths: 22 (15 less than the last Monday, a holiday, and the same as two weeks ago)

from the previous day*: 7 day moving average of daily deaths: 278 (up 7 from yesterday)

*the source I use is a day behind and I'm too lazy to calculate on my own
mafketis 25 | 9,305
11 May 2021 #6,433
Numbers and numbers alone...

percent of positive test results: 4.95 % (of 62, 647 tests ... the new normal is clearly less than 8%)

hospital admissions: -323 (seventh day of negative numbers)

deaths: 319 (over 100 less than the last Tuesday before the holiday weekend and the same as two weeks ago)

from the previous day*: 7 day moving average of daily deaths: 273 (down 5 from yesterday)

*the source I use is a day behind and I'm too lazy to calculate on my own
Tacitus 2 | 1,292
11 May 2021 #6,434
Just read that Poland is no longer deemed a high risk area by the German government. Good to see that things are slowly getting better!
johnny reb 30 | 5,232
11 May 2021 #6,435
...as many who were allowed to stay rent-free are now broke and unable to pay rent.

Weren't they suppose to use their government stimulus checks and the extra $300 a week on top of their unemployment compensation checks for rent instead of new cell phones and other non essentials ?
Novichok 1 | 2,534
11 May 2021 #6,436
Yet, private industry and citizens are now being forced to pay for the governments ineptitude.

"Democracy" - we decide so shut up, pay, and obey.
mafketis 25 | 9,305
12 May 2021 #6,437
Numbers, the most important data...

percent of positive test results: 6.42 % (of 66, 234 tests ... the new normal is clearly less than 8%)

hospital admissions: -1243 (seventh day of negative numbers and the number falls before the psychologically important 15,000 line)

deaths: 343 (almost 300 fewer than the last Wednesday before the holiday weekend and 7 below one week ago)

from the previous day*: 7 day moving average of daily deaths: 315 (up 32 from yesterday)

*the source I use is a day behind and I'm too lazy to calculate on my own
PolAmKrakow 1 | 769
12 May 2021 #6,438
We will be looking at diminishing numbers for a few more weeks and then it will dry up. Just like last year. Until the mountain folks, who largely are not getting vaccinated, will have their big weddings, and it will spread in pockets again this fall.

No one really wearing masks now in Krakow. Police aren't even bothering to try to talk to people without masks now. Rynek has come back to life pretty quickly and this weekend reopening should be pretty well attended.
Tacitus 2 | 1,292
12 May 2021 #6,439
No one really wearing masks now in Krakow

Which is sad, considering that hundreds still die every day and thousands more will follow until this crisis is over.
mafketis 25 | 9,305
12 May 2021 #6,440
hundreds still die every day

hundreds of people die everyday regardless... there are no studies showing masks are effective (especially outdoors) so it's not that weird...

Polish people don't like uncertainty (there was real unease back last March) but they're not that afraid of calculated risk and for a relatively healthy person under 60... it's just not that dangerous
Tacitus 2 | 1,292
12 May 2021 #6,441
hundreds of people die everyday regardless.

But they do not die so needlessly. Masks are the easiest and most effective way to prevent infections, the slight discomfort while wearing them surely trumps the risks of a Covid infection.
jon357 67 | 16,655
12 May 2021 #6,442
there was a deferral program for people paying loans and credit card debt.

Same here in the UK. It was very limited though, and defaults are growing.

The issue is that the government is responsible for the fragility in the first place

Yes. Running down strategic food reserves, and not reigning in (or otherwise managing) private companies who practise "just-in-time" logistics for food supplies.

going in debt personally to keep their business from disappearing

The exact same thing is happening here.

Things are open again, pubs/restaurants, to a limited but increasing degree, all shops (assuming they haven't gone bust during the crisis), etc, though sad to say, people are staying at home. Social distancing and British pubs don't mix well, a lot of people with less (or no) income, and a general feeling of boredom and being worn down by events.
mafketis 25 | 9,305
12 May 2021 #6,443
Masks are the easiest and most effective way to prevent infections

citation please...
Novichok 1 | 2,534
12 May 2021 #6,444
Masks are the easiest and most effective way to prevent infections,

If I want to get infected it's my damn business. If you don't want to get infected wear a spacesuit or stay home. Your infection is not my responsibility.
Tacitus 2 | 1,292
12 May 2021 #6,445
Here you go.

jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2776536

pnas.org/content/118/4/e2014564118
johnny reb 30 | 5,232
12 May 2021 #6,446
Things are open again,

I just found a document that says all of our restrictions have been lifted, and we are all free.......
It's pretty old though.........
Dated 1776
Novichok 1 | 2,534
13 May 2021 #6,447
(AP) - As a lengthy, bitter fight over mask requirements for students neared its conclusion, the chairperson of a Florida school board announced that she would agree to lift a mandate that had been in place since September even though she preferred leaving it in place until the end of the academic year. Parents hurled insults in response.

"Communist! Democrat!," opponents of making children wear masks in school shouted as board chair Wei Ueberschaer and the district superintendent explained at a May 3 meeting that they still considered masks advisable. "This is Santa Rosa County, America, not China!"


The mask bs finally ran its course. People have had it.
mafketis 25 | 9,305
13 May 2021 #6,448
Numbers, the most important data...

percent of positive test results: 6.52 % (of 57, 175 tests ... the new normal is clearly less than 8%)

hospital admissions: -862 to 13,497 (eighth day of negative numbers)

deaths: 342 (over 150 fewer than last Thursday)

from the previous day*: 7 day moving average of daily deaths: 314 (down 1 from yesterday)

*the source I use is a day behind and I'm too lazy to calculate on my own
Novichok 1 | 2,534
13 May 2021 #6,449
percent of positive test results: 6.52 %

The best number would be 100%. Then there would be no need for lockdowns, distancing, and those idiotic dust covers.
Novichok 1 | 2,534
14 May 2021 #6,450
Here in the US, we have two puppets to bs the gullible - Fauci and the CDC director, Walensky. Today, in another example of leading from behind, these two clowns announced that the vaccinated don't need to wear masks, citing "science" more than a dozen times but without a word where all that scientific science came from to land on their desks. Nada. Zilch. My guess is that the good citizens of the US have reached the boiling point and that they can't be crapped on any longer. "Science" just did some catch-up, I guess.

Today, I spent a couple of hours in a hospital and, as is my habit, with no mask. Nobody said a word to signal that this bs is finally over.


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