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Coronavirus in Poland


Atch 16 | 3,290
29 Apr 2021 #6,241
Now, now, you can stop that wriggling. Why a list of 20 countries when the original list was 13? So let's examine the top 13 which you cited in your original post.

1Hungary 2,838
2Gibraltar2,791
3Czechia2,724
4San Marino2,648
5Bosnia and Herzegovina2,593
6Montenegro2,364
7Bulgaria2,357
8North Macedonia2,291
9Slovakia2,132
10Belgium2,075
11Slovenia2,041
12Italy1,991
13UK1,870

You said that the highest death rates were in the richest democracies with the top universities and resources. I think you'll find, me old fruit, that most of the countries you've listed are far from rich and are only fledgling democracies or have highly volatile and unstable political histories.
Novichok 1 | 2,545
29 Apr 2021 #6,242
most of the countries you've listed are far from rich

Compared to Peru, Honduras, and Guatemala, my cat is rich.

When Peru and the UK have the same mortality rates, something weird is at play. Especially that the UK is an island and, thus, able to control human traffic as well as any other island, Australia and Taiwan included. The results:

UK - 1870
Peru - 1821
Guatemala - 411
Honduras - 521
Australia - 35
Taiwan - .5 Yeap, that's point five and 4000 times lower than the UK's

So, back to my point...What did all that money and wisdom buy for the Western Europeans like the Brits and Belgians. The answer: deaths and the obedient police as the enforcers of insane rules that caused more deaths, unemployment, drug addiction, depression, and an off-the-chart misery index.

BTW, Taiwan is a good point of reference. They are a democracy and they know how to count bodies. Also, like the UK, an island.
Tacitus 2 | 1,214
29 Apr 2021 #6,243
The UK suffered such a high death toll because of the incompetence of their government. During the first wave, not only did they fail to act swiftly, they also send many old, hospitalized people back into retirement homes without making sure that they were no contageous, which led to an appalling death rate among the elders. They also never took adventage from being an island and introdzce border checks, and allowed people from high infectious countries like the US to fly in. Finally they also failed to introduce test regimes at airports when many other countries had done so long ago.

chroniclelive.co.uk/news/tv/gmb-piers-morgan-nadhim-zahawi-19570841.amp
Atch 16 | 3,290
29 Apr 2021 #6,244
back to my point.

I wouldn't be referencing Taiwan if I were you, seeing as they're very big on 'enforcing' through various means including the wearing of masks which you abhor so very much.

As for Honduras ..............carry me out and bury me decently
Novichok 1 | 2,545
29 Apr 2021 #6,245
seeing as they're very big on 'enforcing' through various means

...the means that were available to the democratic and enlightened Europe as well.

The UK suffered such a high death toll because of the incompetence of their government.

Which is exactly my point that Western Europe is run by morons with the US not far behind. The problem here is that every time I say it, some obedient weasel will always give me a lesson about how "democracies" work.

including the wearing of masks which you abhor so very much.

I don't abhor wearing masks. I abhor morons who wear masks in their cars, in the parks, and in the middle of the Sahara desert.

Plus, my personal views are totally irrelevant when comparing the death rates.
chrisshrew - | 55
29 Apr 2021 #6,246
When it comes to judging and comparing how successful different nations have been on suppressing the virus its quite difficult considering the different approaches taken on restrictions and lockdowns. Even when comparing the UK and Poland, Britain has never had a mandatory mask wearing outdoors rule such as in Poland for instance. On the other hand Poland as far as I am aware don't have an outright ban on households mixing unless they are in your 'bubble'.

As for comparing widely different countries in terms of geographical location, population density and cultural norms and deference or obedience to authority in many ways it is pointless. Questioning why the UK for example hasn't done as well as New Zealand, Taiwan or South Korea and ignoring those factors is a bit bewildering.
Novichok 1 | 2,545
29 Apr 2021 #6,247
cultural norms and deference or obedience to authority in many ways it is pointless.

No. You compare everything that is based on human activities. That excludes the uncontrollable like climate but includes what you just mentioned.

Taiwan is actually a place that due to population density would be conducive to spreading viruses. The numbers below are the population per square kilometer, the virus death rates per million and the GNI per capita:

Taiwan - 650, 0.5, 26USD
UK - 275, 1870, 42USD

So, Taiwan is denser and poorer. Yet, no virus deaths. The UK is less dense, richer, and it's one of the worst death spots on the globe. Both islands.
johnny reb 29 | 5,324
29 Apr 2021 #6,248
obedience to authority in many ways it is pointless.

Faith not Fear
Tacitus 2 | 1,214
29 Apr 2021 #6,249
Western Europe is run by morons

The UK definitely, but most of the other Western European countries are run competently, it is just that they had no experience dealing with such a situation.

Taiwan and the other Asian countries on the other hand experienced a pandemic only a few years ago, and many safety measures we had to learn are completely normal for them, and of course their economies are not that interconnected. It is completely normal for them to wear masks in public places and while shopping. The government does not need to enforce anything there, you got already odd looks if you went without masks on the train even before the pandemic.
Bratwurst Boy 9 | 10,520
29 Apr 2021 #6,250
....and they run around with masks all the time because of the pollution! ;)
johnny reb 29 | 5,324
29 Apr 2021 #6,251
Australian Prime Minister Scott Morrison called for an independent inquiry into the origins of the China coronavirus
China calls Australia "sick" and the country's "crude interference into China's internal affairs" and its "damaging of China's interests."
Why is China so nervous to be held responsible to compensate the world for damages if they were responsible for said damages the virus did ?

msn.com/en-us/news/world/australia-is-sick-says-chinese-official-in-latest-war-of-words/ar-BB1gbhfP?ocid=msedgdhp
Bratwurst Boy 9 | 10,520
29 Apr 2021 #6,252
...crude interference into China's internal affairs....

If only that virus would had stayed a chinese internal affair!

I too can't believe the soft gloves everybody and his grandmom is putting on concerning China's guilt for destroyed lives and economies in the whole world!
Tacitus 2 | 1,214
29 Apr 2021 #6,253
they run around with masks all the time because of the pollution

That too is a factor of course. Then again the air in some Polish cities can also be really bad at times when everybody uses their ovens, yet they do not wear masks.
mafketis 25 | 9,270
30 Apr 2021 #6,254
as the numbers turn....

percent of positive test results: 11.09 % (of 61,200 tests ... the new below 15% normal is maintained

hospital admissions: -1198 (big fall, now it's 10 days in a row with negative numbers...)

deaths: 429 (too many but over 1000 fewer than last Friday)

from the previous day*: 7 day moving average of daily deaths: 415 (down 22 from yesterday)

*the source I use is a day behind and I'm too lazy to calculate on my own
johnny reb 29 | 5,324
30 Apr 2021 #6,255
New York to fully open July 1.
Disney World fully opens today.
Thank you President Trump for getting those vaccines developed at warp speed.
The E.U. just contracted with America for over one billion doses of the vaccines.
Happy Days are here again. :-)
Novichok 1 | 2,545
30 Apr 2021 #6,256
Covid death rates:

Morocco - 240
Spain = 1700

I guess the virus likes the incompetent Western "democracies" more or it can't swim.
Crow 146 | 9,254
30 Apr 2021 #6,257
People died because irresponsible. Governments love us and nicely says what should be done and people does not listen.

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johnny reb 29 | 5,324
30 Apr 2021 #6,258
People died because irresponsible.

How can you be irresponsible for the unknown, Crow ?
I think they all did the best they knew how to at the time.
Look what we all have learned from our mistakes in the last year.
Hell, I remember you telling us at the beginning of last year to drink some fancy Serbia booze that would cure it. lol
Novichok 1 | 2,545
30 Apr 2021 #6,259
Can somebody here explain why Western Europe is the epicenter of the China virus with more than one flippant sentence?
Bratwurst Boy 9 | 10,520
30 Apr 2021 #6,260
Because it isn't....

...India is on its way to becoming the world's biggest COVID-19 hot spot. With 4.3 million cases, India has surpassed Brazil as the country with the second-highest number of infections.....

dw.com/en/covid-19-special-india-the-coronavirus-epicenter/av-54870320

Ach ja...and there is still the US! :)
Crow 146 | 9,254
30 Apr 2021 #6,261
Hell, I remember you telling us at the beginning of last year to drink some fancy Serbia booze that would cure it. lol

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Serbian plum rakija YEBIGA. You know what name mean, don`t you? Its JEBIGA = Fo* it. Its some Ljubica granny, 97 years old, on the image.
Novichok 1 | 2,545
30 Apr 2021 #6,262
Only a moron like the author of that article can claim that India is the epicenter.

Again, for the third time, the only numbers that count are death rates per million of inhabitants, not the TOTALS since the totals depend on the size of the country - an artificial creation for administrative purposes.

The rates per million numbers:

1. Hungary - 2857
2. Gibraltar - 2791
12. Italy - 2001
17. USA - 1772
45. Germany - 994
118. India - 152

So, boys and girls, Germans are dying at the rate 994 divided by 152 or 6.5 times higher than Indians.

If this is still too complicated for you, a thousand dead in India is a lot better than a five hundred thousand in San Marino.

Please don't ask me where I would rather live.

BTW, if you divided India into ten separate states, would that matter to the virus stats? Only to a stubborn German, but not to the people who live in those ten states as the mortality rates would stay the same.
Bratwurst Boy 9 | 10,520
30 Apr 2021 #6,263
Oh lookie....these death stats put also Mexico into the Top 4!

statista.com/statistics/1093256/novel-coronavirus-2019ncov-deaths-worldwide-by-country/

1. USA
2. BRAZIL
3. MEXICO
4. INDIA

That are 4 epicenters NOT IN EUROPE!

WOW! :):):)

PS: I guess if Germany would have over 1 billion citizens it 900something dead wouldn't even make a blip on the radar.....

But to be fair, the catastrophe in India is because of an totally overwhelmed, non existent anymore health care system. Not to mention the millions of dirt poor and uneducated people living like in the middle ages.

It really saves lives if you are lucky enough to live in a wealthy, advanced country with good health care for all!
Tacitus 2 | 1,214
30 Apr 2021 #6,264
Russia is also under the top five, given that their true death toll is much higher than their official one.

bbc.com/news/world-europe-56454701

reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/russian-deaths-rose-21-feb-year-earlier-amid-covid-stats-agency-2021-04-02/
Miloslaw 8 | 3,010
30 Apr 2021 #6,265
@Bratwurst Boy

Yeah, the figures can be misleading.

Russia is also under the top five, given that their true death toll is much higher than their official one.

Yeah, but Russia and China lie.
Novichok 1 | 2,545
30 Apr 2021 #6,266
Yeah, the figures can be misleading.

The figures are not misleading. Only those who play stupid games using those figures are misleading.
Only an idiot would use the totals without adjusting for the population. Using that moronic "method", Country A of 2 million that lost 1 million is a better place than Country B of 100 million that lost 2 million. Oh lookie...2 million is more than 1 million!!!!

Hey, lookie, Country B lost 2% of its population, while Country A is a disaster with 50% of its population dead.
No wonder Western Europe is so screwed with the thinkers like this one running things there.

Yeah, but Russia and China lie.

And so does the US where they check for the presence of the virus, not if the virus actually did it.
Tacitus 2 | 1,214
30 Apr 2021 #6,267
wonder Western Europe is so screwed

Funnily, Western Europe does not look too bad according to this metric. Only 3 Western European countries actually performed worse than the USA, with Italy having the disadvantage of being the first affected and thus less time to prepare. Germany had only half as many casualties per 1m citizen.

statista.com/statistics/1104709/coronavirus-deaths-worldwide-per-million-inhabitants/.

And if you think that in the future while talking about "epic centres" the first country people will think off is Bosnia, than you might have a different definition for this word than I do.
Ironside 50 | 10,991
30 Apr 2021 #6,268
Western

Look F this crap! People need to go about their lives. Those lockdowns clearly do not work if anything is not a living .
Novichok 1 | 2,545
1 May 2021 #6,269
There no point in comparing the rotten US with equally rotten WE.

A valid comparison is Japan vs the UK - or 81 vs 1870 deaths per million or 23 times higher mortality rate.
Both islands, democracies, and capable of counting dead bodies.


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