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Ironside 50 | 11,036
21 Apr 2021 #6,031
That doesn't look good...

So, all that lockdown and restrictions can actually go and F itself for all the good it does it. They should just give up on that. At least people would be able to make a living.
mafketis 25 | 9,316
21 Apr 2021 #6,032
lockdown and restrictions can actually go and F itself for all the good it does

Exactly.... a quote from one peer-reviewed study of lockdowns: "Comparing weekly mortality in 24 European countries, the findings in this paper suggest that more severe lockdown policies have not been associated with lower mortality. In other words, the lockdowns have not worked as intended."

from "Did Lockdown Work? An Economist's Cross-Country Comparison" by Christian Bjørnskov. CESifo Economic Studies March 29th, 2021.

Lockdowns serve the purpose of capital transfer (like austerity) and are not based in any kind of scientific approach.

They also help keep the virus around longer so that hysteria can be stirred up with reports of new and dangerous mutations...

How long a person (or society) keeps falling for it says a lot about levels of self-awareness....
Novichok 1 | 2,702
21 Apr 2021 #6,033
and are not based in any kind of scientific approach.

No sh*it, as we say it here.

How long a person (or society) keeps falling for it says a lot about levels of self-awareness....

....and blind, mindless, unquestioning, German-style obedience.

Today, I will have a routine visit with my cardio doc. He and I are already fully vaccinated and will be alone in the exam room. Yet, we will have to wear those idiotic masks for the reasons known only to the mindless covid terrorists and the enforcers.
Tacitus 2 | 1,224
21 Apr 2021 #6,034
Andrew Hammel pointed out that in Germany information on who's getting infected and where and how are treated like state secrets

I'd like a source to that, it sounds like a nonsensical claim to me. Individual cases are of course confidential, but the hospitals in my city are very open about the number of patiences they are treating, how many have died, and how few beds are still available. The average age of ICU patients with Covid has declined significantly and is now around 56, which is a worrying trend.

for the reasons known

The reason is so simple thst even you should understand it. None of the vaccinations offer 100% safety, which means that there is a slim chance that even two vaccinated people could infect each other. The masks further reduce the risk of infection. Since that is the case, why wouldn't you wear it? Because it inconveniences you somehow?
Joker 2 | 1,767
21 Apr 2021 #6,035
Lockdowns serve the purpose of capital transfer (like austerity) and are not based in any kind of scientific approach.

Bingo!

If you have been vaccinated there isn't any need to wear a mask and there isn't any proof that masks work if you're not vaccinated either.

Its all about power and control and changing society to conform, just like Orwells 1984 or very close too it.

Have you seen Lyin Biden walking around wearing 2 masks? Hes been vaccinated and takes the mask off as soon as the cameras are off.
Bratwurst Boy 9 | 10,525
21 Apr 2021 #6,036
Better safe than sorry! The more I learn about the long term effects the less I want to get infected...

I'm not rebel material! ;)
jon357 67 | 16,902
21 Apr 2021 #6,037
wear a mask

In England, hardly anybody's wearing them compared to Poland. Only inside shops etc and even then there are people who aren't.

And the pubs are open too.

the hospitals in my city are very open about the number of patiences they are treating, how many have died, and how few beds

It's the same here. The stats show that hospitalisations and deaths are declining fast.

there is a slim chance that even two vaccinated people could infect each other.

Yes. The more hosts, the more mutations. And the greater the chance of a variant that the vaccine doesn't work with.
mafketis 25 | 9,316
21 Apr 2021 #6,038
hospitals in my city are very open about the number of patiences they are treating, how many have die

Are they forthcoming with information about where and how people were infected?

If not, why not.

The mechanics of transmission (who, where and how) are all important and need to be public and to inform health policy (and there's precious little info that that's actually the case).

the greater the chance of a variant that the vaccine doesn't work with.

Why is these vaccines different from every other vaccine in history?

Where is the information that people vaccinated against the flu should avoid each other? Or polio?

Why are you so determined to support policies that simply nurture the virus?
Joker 2 | 1,767
21 Apr 2021 #6,039
In England, hardly anybody's wearing them compared to Poland.

The only time I see ppl wearing masks in Chicago are inside the grocery stores etc..... I haven't seen many wearing them outside anymore and only an occasional nutter driving along in a car, thats crazy.

And the pubs are open too.

I went a restaurant last week and the only ppl wearing masks were the servers, the place was busy and nice to see things getting back to normal.
Atch 16 | 3,296
21 Apr 2021 #6,040
Speaking of the weirdness of vaccines etc, yesterday the Irish news reported two cases of Covid in a care home setting where all residents and staff have been vaccinated and received their second dose in February. The two staff members had no symptoms but the positives showed up on routine fortnightly testing.
mafketis 25 | 9,316
21 Apr 2021 #6,041
two staff members had no symptoms but the positives showed up

PCR testing? It produces so many false positives that the creator advised against using a test (without symptoms) as a diagnosis.
Novichok 1 | 2,702
21 Apr 2021 #6,042
The masks further reduce the risk of infection. Since that is the case, why wouldn't you wear it?

With that sick logic in place, masks are forever.
To answer that embarrassingly stupid question: Because I don't care if I die and the other guy can stay in his basement if he is scared of the risk of .0000001%

Everything has its thresholds and limits. Zero risks are not within the scale reasonable people use.

Hes been vaccinated and takes the mask off as soon as the cameras are off.

It's all like a show-and-tell for the kids. What I resent is we are the "kids".

Back to the Queen. No, she should not be used as a show-and-tell prop for the stupid masses in need of guidance. She is special, the moment was as special as they get, and with nobody within the "scientific" distance to be infected by a woman who was not (1) sneezing, (2) coughing, (3) spitting, or (4) speaking there was ZERO risk to anyone on the whole damn globe. Yet, she was pressured to endure this woke covid mass hysteria.
Atch 16 | 3,296
21 Apr 2021 #6,043
PCR testing?

I don't know what kind of test was used.

Back to the Queen. No, she should not be used as a show-and-tell prop

As I said in an earlier post, she decides for herself. Her main concern always is safeguarding and upholding the monarchy. She's done a pretty good job over the last 70 years. She's one of the few remaining senior Royals who is respected absolutely by the British public and liked too.
Tacitus 2 | 1,224
21 Apr 2021 #6,044
Are they forthcoming with information about where and how people were infected?

That is not the job of the hospitals to investigate, they are there for treatment. The governments have released statistics about how many people have likely got the virus while at work vs at home, but in most cases, it is impossible to concusively prove just where the infection happened.

Everything has its thresholds and limits

Indeed. Staying at home because of a tiny risk may be unreasonable. Wearing a small mask that does not impede you is not. You are after all not just endangering yourself, but also others who may live in close proximity to you who have yet to receive a vaccine and are thus even more vulnerable to a dangerous infection. I thought you have grandchildren? You want to be responsible for them having lost their sense of smell or taste, or worse?

Where is the information that people vaccinated against the flu should avoid each other? Or polio?

It is several times more infectious for starters. You can't catch Polio via breathing, thus a mask is unnecessary.

No vaccination can gurantee 100% safety, but most of them have been steadily improved to a rate close to it. Meanwhile the vaccination against Covid is still young, with most of them offering around 90% protection. Which is great, but not perfect.

support policies that simply nurture the virus?

You nurture the virus if you allow it to spread and mutate. If a variant manages to infect a person, you certainly do not want it to infect another one und multiply, thus you take precautions.We have seen what happens if you let the virus rampage in Brazil. First people got infected by the initial virus, and then believing themselves to be safe by a mutation.

Wearing masks in public transports and retirement homes should become common sense if not common policy like it already is in many Asian countries that experienced previous pandemics. This would also help reducing the deaths by flu among the old and vulnerable people.
Cargo pants 2 | 1,099
21 Apr 2021 #6,045
I am glad I got my vaccine in the States,in Poland fake Pfizer vaccine are found:
businessinsider.com/fake-covid-19-vaccines-pfizer-mexico-poland-2021-4?IR=T
Joker 2 | 1,767
21 Apr 2021 #6,046
Yet, she was pressured to endure this woke covid mass hysteria.

Why is Biden allowing migrants with covid to enter the USA and then shipping them across the country? Is he following his own science or being a leftard hypocrite? He certainly isnt following his own rules, why should I?

"Never let a good crisis go to waste" is their motto! The Dems can still ram thru another 5 trillion dollars in spending guised as "covid relief" , again.
Novichok 1 | 2,702
21 Apr 2021 #6,047
Her main concern always is safeguarding and upholding the monarchy.

That commendable duty does not relieve her of following science and reason. Wearing a mask with nobody around is moronic and done only by the mask zombies I see every day in the streets and parks. They scare me more than the China virus itself. At least the virus does not vote.

The Queen should not be used as a salesperson to advertise masks on QVC.
mafketis 25 | 9,316
21 Apr 2021 #6,048
You nurture the virus if you allow it to spread and mutate

you nurture the virus by making sure it can't burn itself out....

and neither one of us knows what's going on in Brazil (a third world social structure and very little public healthcare to begin with).

Are people from Brazil currently allowed into Europe? If so, then why?

Same for India....
Novichok 1 | 2,702
21 Apr 2021 #6,049
Are people from Brazil currently allowed into Europe? If so, then why?

Because the Western covid terrorists know that all these restrictions are a show for the gullible and as effective as pushing water up the Niagara Falls.
Atch 16 | 3,296
21 Apr 2021 #6,050
That commendable duty does not relieve her of following science and reason.

But it does mean that she, of all people, has to be seen to uphold the law and public health measures. The regulations in the UK state that a mask must be worn at funerals so the Queen wore one. She wouldn't have it any other way. She's an absolute stickler for protocol and correctness. It goes with the territory - noblesse oblige.
Tacitus 2 | 1,224
21 Apr 2021 #6,051
you nurture the virus by making sure it can't burn itself out

That is not going to happen if we let it roam freely either. As stated numerous times, having suffered from it does not give you prolonged immunity. I apparantly had it and it my antibody count was close to zero a few months later. We also know that the chances of the virus mutating are increased by the number of people who get it. We also know from Brazil that even areas which had an infection rate of around 90% are still highly susceptible to mutations.
Strzelec35 26 | 1,559
21 Apr 2021 #6,052
i have a slight cough but no other symptoms for a while now like four days. do u guys think i have corona?
Novichok 1 | 2,702
21 Apr 2021 #6,053
The regulations in the UK state that a mask must be worn at funerals so the Queen wore one.

No. The regs say you must wear a mask if you can infect others who are sufficiently close to be infected. No human being should ever be allowed to act like a mindless obedient robot. We executed a bunch of them in Nuremberg a while back.

Do your rules cover one-person funerals on deserted islands? If not, should that person wear a mask because the rules didn't make that exception? This is how 1984 will be slipped into the unsuspecting and gullible societies.
PolAmKrakow 1 | 786
21 Apr 2021 #6,054
@Strzelec35
That's all I had and tested positive.
Cargo pants 2 | 1,099
21 Apr 2021 #6,055
i have a slight cough but no other symptoms

Buy a oximeter its cheap and thermometer and check it twice a day.I am vaccinated but still check it anyway.
OP Braveheart16 18 | 281
21 Apr 2021 #6,056
Novichok - No. The regs say you must wear a mask if you can infect others who are sufficiently close to be infected.

I think there are too many 'get out' clauses in this statement.....I would prefer the more traditional method of wearing masks at funerals, full stop...its not difficult really and a much safer (for everyone) method of prevention..... I can see that you don't like being advised or told to do something, but in this life sometimes you just need to accept the word of others....otherwise you could spend the whole of your life complaining, disputing and argueing, which is a terrible waste of your time....life is short (shorter still with Covid)....take a chance if you wish but don't bring down others who are complying.
kondzior 12 | 1,245
21 Apr 2021 #6,057
He also preaches a need for a huge population decrease to make the world sustainable for years now too.

Sterility being the main issue is quite likely. It has been known for years that RNA injections can cause sterility - this stuff goes literally everywhere within the body.

An impact on the brain is also possible. The John Hopkins 2017 virus outbreak scenario had vaccine side-effects such as encephalitis of the brain and retardation in children starting about 6-12 months after taking the shot.

jhsphcenterforhealthsecurity.s3.amazonaws.com/spars-pandemic-scenario.pdf
Novichok 1 | 2,702
21 Apr 2021 #6,058
I can see that you don't like being advised or told to do something,

that cannot be justified by "science". Start with the nearest person a mile away. Would you obey the mask rules and put one on? No? Good. Now move a foot closer...You can do the rest.

Rules must have the because clause. Because we said so is not good enough. That's how tyrannies operate.

Back to my example with a deserted island. Or a store that is closed after hours with a lonely guard. Should that guard have a mask? The sign on the front doors says so and does exempt him. What now?

I meant "...does not exempt him."
Sorry...
chrisshrew - | 55
21 Apr 2021 #6,059
Wearing masks in public transports and retirement homes should become common sense if not common policy

Sorry but regardless of whether or not they are necessary or useful under the current pandemic they are after all a temporary restriction. Perhaps you could argue that in the exceptional circumstances of retirement homes or hospitals it could make sense but I don't think while using public transport in the long term is a good idea. Making a measure such as mask wearing, that started off as a short term way of dealing the virus into a long term societal norm would set a worrying precedent.
Novichok 1 | 2,702
21 Apr 2021 #6,060
Why should I wear a mask when I am doing nothing - like coughing or sneezing? Does that virus jump out through the skin?


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