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Novichok 1 | 2,176
6 Mar 2021 #4,951
What a pathetic comment!

When 1 in 4 kids think about suicide from loneliness and the resulting depression, the criminality of the covid terrorism by the ruling mob is clear.
jon357 67 | 16,841
6 Mar 2021 #4,952
Good that Poland still prefers the EU-approved vaccines, rather than Chinese or Russian ones:

The Polish health minister has poured cold water over speculation that Poland might buy Covid-19 vaccines from Russia or China.

thefirstnews.com/article/current-restrictions-to-remain-new-ones-in-pomorskie-province-20312
amiga500 3 | 476
6 Mar 2021 #4,953
EU will approve Russian vaccine in next month or two. too many countries have broken ranks already making EU look even more useless than usual. Poland is the only one out of V4 holding out.
jon357 67 | 16,841
6 Mar 2021 #4,954
Fortunately Poland insists on high standards and is not in Moscow's pocket yet.

EU member states are already able to buy such vaccines (often produced in the developing world) however Poland chooses not to.
amiga500 3 | 476
6 Mar 2021 #4,955
So Slovakia and Czech are in the Russians pocket? Rather than trying to decrease the massive death toll in part caused by EU incompetent vaccine rollout? o.k.... I guess the 20+ countries that approved sputnik v are in russia's pocket too.
jon357 67 | 16,841
6 Mar 2021 #4,956
So Slovakia and Czech are in the Russians pocket?

Does it say that? No. It's a comment about Poland, not Czechia and Slovakia. It pays to read and attempt to understand before trying to reply.

And Poland hasn't approved Putin's vaccine yet, no matter how much you'd like that. They are, however (did you even read the comment) able to do so should they wish, as are other EU member states.

What's the situation in your country? Have they approved Putin's vaccine?
Crow 146 | 9,152
6 Mar 2021 #4,957
Good that Poland still prefers the EU-approved vaccines, rather than Chinese or Russian ones

Its balancer Duda. It would be simple too much to declare EU as totally incompetent and funny, no matter its no secret anymore even for the very little children. Quite enough to allow Serbia transport of most sophisticated Russia's military hardware over Poland`s air space no matter all EU and NATO complaints.

Poland is the only one out of V4 holding out.

Yes. Poland greatly profit on this situation. Non from west of Europe can`t blackmail Poland anymore. That time is past.
jon357 67 | 16,841
6 Mar 2021 #4,958
It would be simple too much to declare EU as totally incompetent and funny,

It would also be incorrect.

Serbia

An irrelevance.
Crow 146 | 9,152
6 Mar 2021 #4,959
It would also be incorrect.

You says EU is competent?

Proof. Where is your proof?

COVAX program? Finances? Politics? Democracy? Migrant policy? Law?

Please.

An irrelevance.

You know what is Brussels in comparison to Belgrade? A joke.

You know when would Poland allow to Brussels that what allowed to Belgrade? Never.

Poland is part of NATO and EU and share (and nurtures them) strategic interests with Russia and China. Geo-strategically speaking, Poland is now invulnerable. Neutral on global military alliances but not officially neutral. And all wants Poland for partner.

Thanks to Brussels? No. Its rather, Racowie are back and ancient lines of interests are restored. And its only for starter of reset in Europe.
OP Braveheart16 18 | 273
6 Mar 2021 #4,960
Novichok- 1 in 4 kids think about suicide from loneliness and the resulting depression, the criminality of ...covid terrorism by the ruling mob is clear.

Are these statistics for Poland...?
chrisshrew - | 49
6 Mar 2021 #4,961
Given the slowness of the rollout, limiting the sources of vaccines is perhaps not the wisest of strategies. Like with anything, the more options you have the greater the chance of success. Of course certain procedures need to be followed with regard to safety but I don't think Russian or Chinese vaccines should be disregarded outright just because they happen to be from those particular countries.

I think the process will start speeding up soon. I see that the wait between the 1st and 2nd jab is being extended which will help and with the news that the 1st jab could be 80% effective this shouldn't be a problem. That's not to say that the 2nd is pointless as I get the impression that its more of a booster for the long term but not as much a priority.

I hope that extending the wait for the 2nd jab isn't used as an excuse to extend the restrictions when the time comes. Even in the UK I hear there are calls by some to extend the restrictions well beyond the completion of the rollout, even to the point of reimposing lockdowns in the Winter months. This sort of measure would be more or less impossible to implement however imo and only taken seriously by those who think a zero covid policy is a realistic goal.
johnny reb 29 | 5,118
6 Mar 2021 #4,962
Are these statistics for Poland...?

Reliable stats for Poland are very hard to find.
The one that has amazed me is how Poland only had 133 cases of the flu reported last year which was an extremely sharp decline.
Was that because some of these flu cases were intentionally reported as Covid to boost the Covid numbers ?
mafketis 24 | 9,174
6 Mar 2021 #4,963
some of these flu cases were intentionally reported as Covid to boost the Covid numbers ?

I'm assuming that everyone with serious flu symptoms gets tested for covid and the pcr tests (not the most accurate tool) report it as covid and that's how they get treated....
Novichok 1 | 2,176
6 Mar 2021 #4,964
If they find a dead guy with a bullet in his head and covid, is it covid? If he doesn't have the virus but a letter that he killed himself because he couldn't take the government covid terrorism, is that covid?
Crow 146 | 9,152
6 Mar 2021 #4,965
@jon357
@Joker

Brat Duda knows better.

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jon357 67 | 16,841
6 Mar 2021 #4,966
but I don't think Russian or Chinese vaccines should be disregarded outright just because they happen to be from those particular countries.

In a sense, they aren't from those countries. The manufacturing is contracted out to other countries, India and other parts of the developing world particularly, and the issues around quality control (together with the veracity of clinical trials) are part of the reason they haven't been approved.

lockdowns in the Winter month

That's something that obviously nobody wants and would depend on infection rates and death rates if a new mutation causes a surge.
Novichok 1 | 2,176
6 Mar 2021 #4,967
Can somebody explain why it's OK to call the virus variants by where they were discovered, but not where the virus originated?
Brazilian variant is fine, South African variant is fine but China virus is not. Why?
mafketis 24 | 9,174
6 Mar 2021 #4,968
China virus is not. Why?

...cause they own your @ss....
chrisshrew - | 49
6 Mar 2021 #4,969
That's something that obviously nobody wants and would depend on infection rates and death rates if a new mutation causes a surge.

Well, I guess if a vaccine resistant mutation was able to enter from somewhere with high cases and no vaccine rollout perhaps. It seems like the main variants can be dealt with by the vaccine so far thankfully. Can never rule anything out of course but I think if such a variant was discovered every single country wouldn't take any chances.
jon357 67 | 16,841
6 Mar 2021 #4,970
I think if such a variant was discovered every single country wouldn't take any chances.

This is likely. The Brazil mutation is a worry, as are a couple of others. We can probably expect further lockdowns should the strain on hospitals increase.
Spike31 2 | 2,166
6 Mar 2021 #4,971
The Brazil mutation is a worry...

...to a shrinking pool of corona-paranoiacs who wants to shutdown everything.

but China virus is not

Every cult needs a taboo to be able to exist.

The worst possible heresy is comparing corona to the common flu. Add the word "Chinese" to that and you're worse than Hitler. It's like saying that prophet Mohammed was a pedophile. Yes, it is a fact but you shouldn't talk about it.
Novichok 1 | 2,176
6 Mar 2021 #4,972
The Brazil mutation is a worry, as are a couple of others.

And a dozen more coming to you in the next dozen years...But it's OK, now that we know how the human genius copes with these "pandemics" that wipeout as much as one-tenth of one percent by lockdowns, masks, and printing money.
jon357 67 | 16,841
6 Mar 2021 #4,973
...to a shrinking pool of corona-paranoiacs

Or in reality to actual Virologists and public health experts.
Novichok 1 | 2,176
6 Mar 2021 #4,974
The worst possible heresy is comparing corona to the common flu.

Or H1N1.
My bet: if they were as eager to find H1N1 in every dead body, they would find H1N1 in every dead body.

public health experts.

Is there a penalty awaiting an "expert" who is dead wrong? Or is it like with "global warming"? You do know that Disney World was supposed to be an oceanside resort by now?

So, are you talking about that level of expertise or better?

public health experts.

Is there a penalty awaiting an "expert" who is dead wrong? Or is it like with "global warming"? You do know that Disney World was supposed to be an oceanside resort by now?

So, are you talking about that level of expertise or better?
Spike31 2 | 2,166
6 Mar 2021 #4,975
Anyway, good news from Texas. Cowboys got some balls to go against a dominant corona narrative.

"Texas gov lifts all coronavirus restrictions on businesses, rescinds mask mandate"

uk.style.yahoo.com/texas-governor-lifts-all-coronavirus-restrictions-on-businesses-rescinds-mask-mandate-204327939.html
jon357 67 | 16,841
6 Mar 2021 #4,976
A spike of cases has been reported in Mazury:

"There's an avalanche of new patients and we are running out of beds,"
reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-poland-lake-distri-idUSKBN2AV1SP
chrisshrew - | 49
6 Mar 2021 #4,977
We can probably expect further lockdowns

Well by not taking any chances I was thinking about the closure of borders. While lockdowns are sometimes necessary, it's already too late if that becomes the case and should always be a last resort.
jon357 67 | 16,841
6 Mar 2021 #4,978
should always be a last resort.

It is a last resort.

Well .... I was thinking about the closure of borders

They do that too, however between Poland and most of its neighbours there aren't any real borders and plenty of people working in one state and commuting from the other (c.f Gorlitz/Zgorzelec, Cieszyn, Swinoujscie/Szczecin/Anklam). Plus plenty of people with feet in more than one country. There are however 'red lists' of countries which are in effect a border closure (or in the UK, a mandatory hotel quarantine).
Spike31 2 | 2,166
6 Mar 2021 #4,979
A words of Jarosław Pinkas a former Chief Sanitary Inspectorate of Poland:

"I was wrong about coronavirus like all the experts"

"The virus is mainly a sociological matter. I was obligated to speak exactly as ECDC and the EU on that matter"

rmf24.pl/tylko-w-rmf24/popoludniowa-rozmowa/news-pinkas-w-sprawie-koronawirusa-pomylilem-sie-jak-wszyscy-eksp,nId,5086234

An expert.
jon357 67 | 16,841
6 Mar 2021 #4,980
a former

This is the key word here.

An expert.

As are the 99.999% of other experts who don't share his isolated view.


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