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Coronavirus in Poland


jon357 67 | 16,848
3 Mar 2021 #4,891
the danger is that 45 year olds and indeed students can spread the virus

This has always been the worry. The young are often more resilient but can carry the disease to others.
OP Braveheart16 18 | 276
3 Mar 2021 #4,892
jon357 - The young are often more resilient but can carry the disease to others.

This is so true, and just hope that the vaccination programme will start to make a difference soon....
Novichok 1 | 2,258
3 Mar 2021 #4,893
but can carry the disease to others.

That's why the young should be locked up and kept in the basement. Their needs to socialize and have normal childhood means nothing if old geezers can live a couple of months longer.
Spike31 2 | 2,194
3 Mar 2021 #4,894
@mafketis, the media were probing with swine flu, bird flu, ebola etc. since at least 2004. But they were unsuccessful until 2020 in grabbing people's attention on a scale large enough for this social engineering project we're living in now to get started. I just spot the pattern.

I'm not especially proud of that cause I think it was obvious. And it didn't make my life any easier knowing that, especially during the initial phase of the "pandemic".

I will spare you the details but it was a massive learning experience.
Novichok 1 | 2,258
3 Mar 2021 #4,895
The only legit reason for the government's covid terror was to flatten the curve. Modern civilized society does not want to see people dying on the sidewalks.

All the rest is like trying to stop the wind blowing in Chicago - made-up crap.
jon357 67 | 16,848
3 Mar 2021 #4,896
hope that the vaccination programme will start to make a difference soon....

That and the recent lockdown (in the UK) have reduced the infection rate and death rate, obviously. We're a little behind here due to the lockdown being lighter and the vaccination programme being slower.
mafketis 24 | 9,187
3 Mar 2021 #4,897
the media were probing with swine flu, bird flu, ebola etc. since at least 2004

Well some of these are serious diseases. Also, China (especially the south) is new virus capital of the world with new ones appearing every year (which mostly burn out quickly).

So the possibility of a real serious virus coming out of China (given bad hygiene and culture of secrecy and coverup).
Ebola (fortunately) doesn't seem to travel so that's good.
Simply saying that potentially deadly diseases don't exist is just as wrongheaded as hysteria .....

the recent lockdown (in the UK) have reduced the infection rate

No lockdowns don't work. I was tentatively in favor of the first (for two weeks or so) to give the healthcare sector time to prepare but beyond that it's performative rather than effective and does more damage than good.

No more lockdowns! Ever! (Joan Crawford voice)
Vincent 9 | 839 Moderator
3 Mar 2021 #4,898
No lockdowns don't work.

If people followed their governments advice during lockdowns, and stayed home as much as possible, would that not stop the virus spreading as much, as no lockdowns? Some scientists seem to think it will.
Novichok 1 | 2,258
3 Mar 2021 #4,899
If people followed their government's advice during lockdowns,

Lockdowns are like war stories or jokes. They get old very quickly. You can do it only once per generation. How often can the US print trillions before the country is destroyed?
jon357 67 | 16,848
3 Mar 2021 #4,900
No lockdowns don't work

They've reduced infections and the death rate in countries that have been strict with them.

Here in Poland, there's a less strict approach and there's a rise in stats.
Vincent 9 | 839 Moderator
3 Mar 2021 #4,901
Lockdowns are like war stories or jokes.

Lockdowns are designed to curb the spread of the covid19 virus. End of.
Novichok 1 | 2,258
3 Mar 2021 #4,902
Not true. The only legitimate lockdown policy objective is (1) not to overwhelm the medical care system, (2) to reduce the death count. Just getting the virus is not relevant. Plus, if lockdowns worked, there would be no second wave.

My question still stands: how many lockdowns per decade can a nation afford?
Vincent 9 | 839 Moderator
3 Mar 2021 #4,903
Just getting the virus is not relevant. Plus, if lockdowns worked, there would be no second wave.

Sorry I mistook you for a troll, didn't realise you are a Virologist. Maybe if people followed the guidelines for the first lockdown, there might not have been a second wave.
Novichok 1 | 2,258
3 Mar 2021 #4,904
If people did not follow the guidelines then, they will follow them even less now. No more lockdowns. People are exhausted and close to the end of the rope.

So what's next? Patrols with AK's and the orders to shoot on sight?
amiga500 3 | 490
4 Mar 2021 #4,905
another update on covid-19 treatments. quora.com/Is-there-any-cure-for-COVID-19/answer/Steve-Kirsch?ch=10&share=2cb27c60&srid=uBmSa
Seems like 'cures' for the virus have been found, but so much money involved in it, as well as ideological postions and power grabs that this info is withheld.
jon357 67 | 16,848
4 Mar 2021 #4,906
ideological postions and power grabs that this info is withheld.

If you want to pretend that it's "withheld", then it evidently isn't "withheld" very well. Given that it's on Quora, has been widely reported elsewhere, and is searchable on Google...

There's a bit you missed from the Quora post. An important bit. Very important even:
- "They will not recommend a drug unless it passes Phase 1, 2, and 3 trials because doing so would violate the public trust"

The CDC of course is an organisation relating to one country only. I don't see other major countries racing to recommend other treatments, without proper trials either.

There's a couple of other interesting quotes in the post:

- "The biggest mistake people make is underestimating this disease."

- " I will try to get vaccinated as soon as possible. After you are fully vaccinated (2 weeks after your second dose is the safest margin), you can generally ignore the rest of this article."
amiga500 3 | 490
4 Mar 2021 #4,907
Did i say anything about against vaccines ?

has been widely reported elsewhere

It should be on the front page that there have been RCT's all over the world that decrease hospitalisation and death by 85 percent (ivermectin) and 90+ percent fluvoxamine.

you can generally ignore the rest of this article."

Wrong because vaccines are not 100 percent efficacious.

You leftwingers believe in exploitation by capital but when it comes to the medical industry (which includes the science circles) its all pure white as snow.

I don't see other major countries racing to recommend other treatments, without proper trials either.

There already have been proper trials for ivermectin just not usa and uk. Your first world snobbery is showing. Has already been introduced in states in peru and india with massive drops of death. Also just allowed in slovakia, macedonia and last day czech. yet media blackout if you can't see this you are blind .
jon357 67 | 16,848
4 Mar 2021 #4,908
Did i say anything about

Whoever said you did?

It should be on the front page t

It's been widely enough reported. Even a year ago. Do you want it repeating daily ad nauseam?

Wrong because vaccines are not 100 percent efficacious.

So you're now claiming to know more than the person whose article you've posted about! That's probably a first even here....
amiga500 3 | 490
4 Mar 2021 #4,909
Not to mention that 95 percent of GPs don't know about these treatments. And that's when these treatments need to be perscribed not when one is in ICU>

A leftist defending the messed up status quo! it would be hilarious if it wasin't so sad
jon357 67 | 16,848
4 Mar 2021 #4,910
Not to mention that 95 percent of doctors don't know about these treatments

Where did you pull that gem from?

leftist

There you go again. You probably think Dr Fauci's a 'leftist' too. And the Polish Minister of Health, and the Health Minister down in your country.
amiga500 3 | 490
4 Mar 2021 #4,911
Yes it is very plausible that you are an economic and status quo conservative, but instead virtue signal on identity politics and immigration issues. In other words a drip.

You probably think Dr Fauci's a 'leftist' too. And the Polish Minister of Health,

Of course not they're just caught up in beurocracy machine. And unwilling to change the big pharma dominated method of accepting medicines. when its patently obvious that like everything else has been transformed during the pandemic, the processes of emergency use authorisations for repurposed medicines need to change too.
jon357 67 | 16,848
4 Mar 2021 #4,912
Of course not they're just caught up in beurocracy machine.

Bureaucracy.

Perhaps he's a bit more than that, being head of U.S. National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases as well as an advisor to every president since Reagan. And being an eminent and respected Immunologist.

the big pharma dominated method of accepting medicines.

Oh dear.

And it would have been so much better for them if they had an NHS. Even the Polish system works well. And neither need to prescribe medicines that haven't been through clinical trials. There's nothing to stop people sourcing them privately, if they don't object to 'paid for' medical treatment.

I'm still laughing that you posted an article to praise then disagreed with it! It's always a good idea to read articles that you post...
amiga500 3 | 490
4 Mar 2021 #4,913
And neither need to prescribe medicines that haven't been through clinical trials.

Well ivermectin has. Just not in the first world. Racist. ivmmeta.com/
Since you claim to be a homosexual with AIDS i'm sure you know the two years of pleading by AIDS activists to get Fauci to accept AIDS/HIV treatments that were successfull around the world while he waited two years for a USA Phase III trial which cost tens of thousands of lives. Homophobic Aids Hater.
jon357 67 | 16,848
4 Mar 2021 #4,914
Just not in the first world

Which is where you and I both live; in countries where prescribing medicines is highly regulated for very good reasons. They don't just make it up as they go along, you know...

withAIDS

Really? News to me. Not that HIV medication is the same as that for any other given illness, or why the esteemed Dr Fauci would have anything to do with medicines outside his own jurisdiction which is within one country only.

But hey, evidently you pretend to know more than one of the world's leading Immunologists, Chief Medical Adviser to President Biden and his predecessors. On the basis of a post on Quora (which you didn't even finish reading!). Perhaps the words were too long for you.

You do get things mixed up, don't you...
amiga500 3 | 490
4 Mar 2021 #4,915
Here is Andrew Hill who is leading the WHO analyses to recommend ivermectin webinar. This is from January so have been many more trials since then.

youtube.com/watch?v=eu61dtsSLrk
WHO statement that they will make a recommendation for or against ivermectin in March or early April youtube.com/watch?v=75EPZQYynCA
And a breakdown of all the studies so far c19ivermectin.com/ ivmmeta.com/
Your smug dismissal is unwarranted.
jon357 67 | 16,848
4 Mar 2021 #4,916
This is from January so have been many more trials since then.

So not exactly

this info is withheld.

The opposite even.

And a breakdown of all the studies so far

Definitely not "withheld".
mafketis 24 | 9,187
4 Mar 2021 #4,917
reduced infections and the death rate in countries that have been strict with them.

aier.org/article/lockdowns-dont-prevent-coronavirus-spread/

medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.12.28.20248936v1

Anecdotally California and Florida - the former had some of the strictest measures in the US and the latter the most lax - and overall the Florida results have been better....

Lockdowns without detailed exit plans (there's no evidence that anywhere has done that) and pre-elaborated ways of mitigating the economic toll are simple political performance (and note how many politicians have ignored lockdown policies themselves).
amiga500 3 | 490
4 Mar 2021 #4,918
Yes as in withheld by the media. Its more profitable to scare people with variants and watnot.
jon357 67 | 16,848
4 Mar 2021 #4,919
Yes as in withheld by the media

I just googled it.

209,000 news items, and 6,000,000 mentions in total.. Significantly, more than a few warnings about it.

An interesting article here:

What is Ivermectin? Why social media creates Covid 'miracle drugs' - and why you shouldn't trust the crowd

inews.co.uk/news/health/invermectin-tablets-what-covid-miracle-drug-social-media-explained-882700

Be sure to read to the end this time.
amiga500 3 | 490
4 Mar 2021 #4,920
Yes with withholding information there is also dumb ass misinformation. In the usual leftist tradition that the masses are too stupid, that it will hurt vaccine confidence etc. Funny how you had to scour to find an anti ivermectin article. drip. .

In other news Czech has now said it will use chinese vaccine as well as russian one. I wonder what poland will do? Prefer the sputnik to sinopharm


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