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Lenka 3 | 2,502
28 Feb 2021 #4,831
return to normality

By now I believe people will have to demand normality before it comes back
mafketis 24 | 9,187
28 Feb 2021 #4,832
People will have to create normality (against whatever the government wants).

Governments have abrogated (following Chinese Communist Party policies) unprecedented powers for themselves and they're not gonna give them up easily...

Not to mention that the policies doubtless have made the "pandemic" far worse than it would have been otherwise.... it's like they're designed to keep it prolonged....
chrisshrew - | 50
28 Feb 2021 #4,833
...to make some meaningful difference and a return to normality, at least 70% of the population would need to be vaccinated....

So, by Christmas at the earliest then. My guess is that there will have to be some lifting of the restrictions in the summer months as they will probably get ignored anyway and it would be simply impractical and unenforceable. Interestingly, even in the UK where the vaccinations are progressing at a record rate there are suggestions that social distancing and mask wearing should continue till the end of the year. This is despite the fact that the vaccine rollout will have finished by late July. There will have to be more realistic thinking in the coming months.
Atch 16 | 3,275
28 Feb 2021 #4,834
in the UK where the vaccinations are progressing at a record rate t

And in Ireland, it's expected that by mid-June, 80% of adults will have had at least their first vaccine dose BUT virologists etc there are saying that although there will be some improvement, mask-wearing etc will have to continue. The general outlook in countries where the vaccine is being rolled out fairly quickly (and sadly Poland isn't one of those), is as follows:

Continuing restrictions on international travel.
Continued mask -wearing.
Re-occurring lockdowns (of shorter duration but stricter).
Increased freedom of movement and socializing within national boundaries.
By the end of 2021 a return to cultural activities and larger gatherings.

However, I see a worrying trend emerging; in Israel, where they plan to re-open cinemas, allow more events, concerts, etc. attendance at such things will require you to be vaccinated. That I don't like, because while I don't object to vaccines in principle, I'm not too sure about this one, having been produced so quickly and without enough information available about possible long-term dangers/side-effects. I wouldn't like to have it myself unless I were in the vulnerable category when I might consider it, and I would very strongly object to the next possible step of making it mandatory.
mafketis 24 | 9,187
28 Feb 2021 #4,835
By the end of 2021 a return to cultural activities and larger gatherings.

Do you believe this or are you just reporting it?

Cause... I don't see any evidence that western governments (including Ireland) have any intention of ever getting back to February 2020... there are too many powerful forces making too much from destroying the economy and socio-cultural institutions (like schools).

The only way it ends is.... we the people end it and government can catch up with us.

What's the point of anyone taking a vaccine if there's no immediate prospect of getting back to normal?
Atch 16 | 3,275
28 Feb 2021 #4,836
Do you believe this or are you just reporting it?

Just reporting it. I have no idea what will happen.

we the people end it

There doesn't seem to be any large-scale appetite for that. Personally, neither I nor my husband wear a mask outdoors now unless we're in a crowded place. I'm not going to wear a mask to walk down an almost empty street to my local park and then remove the mask. It's complete nonsense. I've never been in favour of wearing a mask outdoors. I've also never done the manic hand-washing and disinfecting because I think we'll destroy our immune systems. I do the disinfecting at the entrance to the supermarket out of respect to the people who work and shop there but that's it. I'm not going to be going around with a bottle of hand sanitiser disinfecting myself every five seconds just because I touched something.
amiga500 3 | 489
28 Feb 2021 #4,837
Czechs ask Putin for Sputnik vaccine. So out of Visegrad group , poland are the last ones not to use russia tech. Lets see how kaczynski will handle it.
Strzelec35 21 | 1,274
28 Feb 2021 #4,838
your a retard and poland is a garbage country. that no ne cares about or no world media even covers.
mafketis 24 | 9,187
28 Feb 2021 #4,839
neither I nor my husband wear a mask outdoors now unless we're in a crowded place

Yeah, me neither.

manic hand-washing and disinfecting because I think we'll destroy our immune systems

I'm probably a bit too guilty of this... if hand sanatizer is available... I'll probably use it...
Novichok 1 | 2,251
28 Feb 2021 #4,840
What's the point of anyone taking a vaccine if there's no immediate prospect of getting back to normal?

More specifically, why would being vaccinated be a condition of admission if the vaccinated are still spreaders?
If I want to kill myself with the virus, I should be allowed to do it just like I am allowed to do it 179 other ways. The cost of treatment argument doesn't work since lung cancer from smoking is not cheap, either. Or getting a new liver.
chrisshrew - | 50
28 Feb 2021 #4,841
Re-occurring lockdowns (of shorter duration but stricter).

If you mean in countries like the UK after the rollout has finished I very much doubt it. There's enough opposition in Britain as it is against lockdown. Sadly I think it may have to happen in Poland thou, unless the vaccine problems get sorted.
Atch 16 | 3,275
28 Feb 2021 #4,842
if hand sanatizer is available... I'll probably use it...

That's fine. We all have our own personal health situations and for you that may be a good thing. I'm lucky that I don't have conditions like asthma or other chronic things and I have a reasonably good immune system, don't catch colds very often and so on. I'd like to try to retain that if possible for as man years as I can :)
mafketis 24 | 9,187
28 Feb 2021 #4,843
for you that may be a good thing

just more habit... I don't carry sanitizer around with me or anything....

I go out almost every day (missed several when the snow was lying around) and think staying cooped up and masked up all the time is probably really bad for people that do that...

At this point I'm against any and all lockdowns and in retrospect think it was a mistake to go along with the idea in the first place... had we done what was normal (greater help in isolating the vulnerable) and just pushed through then the whole thing would be over now with far fewer deaths.

Instead we were convinced by hysterics and/or paid shills of China and now we're facing a crappy future of begging governments to let us engage in outlandish anarchy like going out for dinner or visiting friends or going on vacation.
Atch 16 | 3,275
28 Feb 2021 #4,844
At this point I'm against any and all lockdowns and in retrospect think it was a mistake........... in the first place.

Yes, in the beginning it may have been justified but that ship sailed long ago. At the point where it became clear that the virus is mutating and basically can't be eliminated, there should have been a complete sea-change. The fact that there hasn't been suggests that there is indeed some ulterior motive for the continuing situation.
Lenka 3 | 2,502
28 Feb 2021 #4,845
Sadly people are scared. My mom said to me 'I still want to live a little bit longer '...

The fact is most governments don't even have a clear message WHY we should stay home. It's clear the virus will keep circulating and as to the health service...they had a year to think about it. If they don't have solutions now they won't have them in 10 years time either.
Atch 16 | 3,275
28 Feb 2021 #4,846
'I still want to live a little bit longer '...

Oh gosh, that pulls at the heart strings doesn't it. Poor lady, I feel for her. Give her a big hug :)
Miloslaw 8 | 2,903
28 Feb 2021 #4,847
Sadly people are scared

They are in the EU because they have messed it up.
Stupid politicians who supposedly support the EU have actually tried to support their own countries and failed.
This has led to a disaster in Europe.
Luckily, Poland has actually done better in vaccinating their people than most of the EU.
Lenka 3 | 2,502
28 Feb 2021 #4,848
They are in the EU because they have messed it up.

I wouln't say it has a lot to do with EU. One other older person I know in UK (but with less comorbities than my mom) was recently talking to me from afar with a mask on. No unnecessary contact with anybody for a year now. So no, people are scared all over, not only EU.

@Atch, thanks, will do. She is fine it's just the constant talk of deaths etc.
johnny reb 29 | 5,150
28 Feb 2021 #4,849
What's the point of anyone taking a vaccine if there's no immediate prospect of getting back to normal?

Simple if you were to pay attention and listen.
I will speak slowly.
"Even with the vaccine you can still get the virus and still spread the virus without knowing you have it."
All the vaccine does is keeps you from going to the hospital to recover if you catch it and it keeps you from dying if you catch it.

That is the point of older people and people with a weak immune system (at a higher risk) for taking the vaccine maf.

My mom said to me 'I still want to live a little bit longer '...

Lenka I can feel her fear.
Get her vaccinated as soon as you can to give her some comfort.
Until then tell her that their is a guy over in the U.S. that is praying daily for her peace and calm until she gets her vaccine.

I'm sure that Atch will join me and put that prayer on her prayer list too.
Miloslaw 8 | 2,903
28 Feb 2021 #4,850
I wouln't say it has a lot to do with EU

I beg to differ...the EU has messed up BIG TIME and the UK will come out of this at least a year ahead of Europe.

Over 30% of Brits have now had at least one dose of vaccine, the fear in the UK is disappearing, but it still exists on the continent.
jon357 67 | 16,848
28 Feb 2021 #4,851
the EU has messed up BIG TIME and the UK will come out of this at least a year ahead of Europe.

Not exactly a 'benefit' of 'brexit', especially as all states are free to purchase their own supplies. And even if we vaccinnated the whole population in a week, it wouldn't make up for Johnson's disaster.

No unnecessary contact with anybody for a year now.

People are taking it seriously there.

Poland has actually done better in vaccinating their people

Middling here. A lot of queue jumping.
mafketis 24 | 9,187
1 Mar 2021 #4,852
where the vaccine is being rolled out fairly quickly (and sadly Poland isn't one of those)

Percentage wise it's ahead of EU leader Germany (though of course that country was hampered by dumb EU plans).

But not the worst start...
Joker 2 | 1,669
1 Mar 2021 #4,853
.the EU has messed up BIG TIME and the UK will come out of this at least a year ahead of Europe.

Hospitalizations are way down in the US and scientists are claiming we could be reaching heard immunity by May this year!

You wont hear this coming out of Xidens mouth though. Hes using this virus to ram through his 1.9 Trillion libtard wish list.."Never let a good crisis go to waste" is the Dems motto.
Miloslaw 8 | 2,903
1 Mar 2021 #4,854
Hospitalizations are way down in the US

Good to hear.

Seems the USA, the UK and Israel have been the best at vaccinating.
Crow 146 | 9,168
2 Mar 2021 #4,855
As they first arrived in space, Slavs are best at vaccinating and medical protection.
johnny reb 29 | 5,150
2 Mar 2021 #4,856
Pharmaceutical giant Merck just announced a deal with J&J and will help make Johnson & Johnson's single shot coronavirus vaccine which an unusual pact between fierce competitors that could sharply boost the supply of the newly authorized vaccine.

J&J's vaccine is also a one shot deal and can be refrigerated instead of being frozen.
Help is on it's way as all the big pharmaceuticals want a piece $$$ of the pie.
Joker 2 | 1,669
2 Mar 2021 #4,857
My plan is: To let everyone else take the vaccine and Ill be just fine👍🏻
Spike31 2 | 2,186
2 Mar 2021 #4,858
At this point I'm against any and all lockdowns and in retrospect think it was a mistake

@mafketis, Why do you think closing down parks and forests was a mistake? Coronafreaks will explain to you that those were scientifically-backed actions introduced for your own good :-)

I'm glad that more and more people are coming to their senses and a pool of coronacultists (you know who you are, you beautiful morons) is shrinking.

The end of the "pandemic" will not come with a decision of politicians, it's just too convenient for them to rule over scared masses to simply give it up. And it's not going to be announced by some medical "experts" who have their 5 minutes of fame right now.

It will be over when a critical mass of citizens say it is over. We're not going to take part in this nonsense anymore.
Miloslaw 8 | 2,903
2 Mar 2021 #4,859
It will be over when a critical mass of citizens say it is over.

Wrong.
It wil be over when a critical mass of citizens are vaccinated..... as is being currently proven.
Spike31 2 | 2,186
2 Mar 2021 #4,860
Have flu jabs eliminated a mutating common flu virus? How is vaccination going to eliminate a mutating corona flu virus then? It may (temporarily) diminish it's spread. Which may be enough to announce the "end of pandemic" by those who would really want it to end that is.

It was easy and convenient to enter the "pandemic" but officially ending it will be much more challenging.

First: there are politicians whose lives became very easy during the "pandemic". Any unpopular decision can be now justified by anticorona measures.

Second: medics and medicals experts who have their 15 minutes of fame. They feel like superheroes and they get paid more for doing less.

Third: the mass media who are making a lot of money out of it. And they are never short of sensationalist Corona-related content.

Fourth: there are plenty of coronafreaks and hypochondriacs who were convinced for the last year that a magical dust mask will save their lives against "lethal disease". It will take a lot of time and effort to convince them that the fresh air doesn't want to kill them.

This new Chinese flu will stay with us and the only thing which can change is our attitude towards it. The first step is realising that it is a virus with a mortality rates of a common flu.


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