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Coronavirus in Poland


jon357 67 | 16,915
23 Feb 2021 #4,771
a particular software service

They're cashing in, as are TV subscription services and home shopping. Nevertheless, such firms don't have the clout to influence crisis management legislation in dozens of major countries.
mafketis 25 | 9,324
23 Feb 2021 #4,772
they just have to manage a few key ones and the rest (like Poland) obediently fall in line...
jon357 67 | 16,915
23 Feb 2021 #4,773
I don't see that happening. Only science led restrictions (sometimes a bit too strict) in the UK, France, Germany, and lighter ones elsewhere.

I'll be in Germany and the UK in a few weeks (assuming Poland isn't put on the red lists) and wonder what to expect.
PolAmKrakow 1 | 792
24 Feb 2021 #4,774
Ministry of health just three days ago said we would see rising infection numbers through the end of March based on his "third wave" BS theory. other than a two or three day spike, there is no rise. Numbers are still flat even with increased testing. The government is grasping at straws now.
amiga500 3 | 612
24 Feb 2021 #4,775
Bill Gates prevented oxford vaccine being open sourced.
logically.ai/factchecks/library/c686f83d
khn.org/news/rather-than-give-away-its-covid-vaccine-oxford-makes-a-deal-with-drugmaker/
Crow 147 | 9,312
24 Feb 2021 #4,776
Serbian medical experts predicts cancer epidemy in the 2022 year, as the direct impact of Covid-19 on human organism but also due to somewhat lack of care for other illnesses due to focus on the current Corona pandemic >

alo.rs/vesti/drustvo/danica-grujicic-iznela-zastrasujuce-podatke-evo-sta-nas-ocekuje-2022-godine-i-sta-moramo-uraditi/388809/vest

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dr Danica Grujičić
jon357 67 | 16,915
24 Feb 2021 #4,777
logically.ai/factchecks/library/c686f83d

A Bengali site that computers flag a security warning about opening.

rather-than-give-away-its-covid-vaccine-oxford-makes-a-deal-with-drugmaker/

warning over.
Says something quite different.
kondzior 12 | 1,245
24 Feb 2021 #4,778
There is the psychological reasoning behind the up and downs in covid measurements. The benevolent leaders giving back freedoms in regular intervals just to bounce back once they consider it necessary. "oh it's not so bad after all, they do not wish to keep up their policies forever themselves". In the meantime, basic human rights are deteriorating and society is in much worse condition than it was during the first lockdown.
jon357 67 | 16,915
24 Feb 2021 #4,779
the psychological reasoning behind the up and downs in covid measurements

Or even medical ones.

hey do not wish to keep up their policies forever themselves

They don't, given the economic effects. In fact most countries (including yours) have minimal restrictions.
kondzior 12 | 1,245
24 Feb 2021 #4,780
Or even medical ones.

1. The virus is already endemic.
2. The survival rate is 99.9%+

In light of that, then yes we should just continue normal life.
Novichok 1 | 2,749
24 Feb 2021 #4,781
The survival rate is 99.9%+

Way too low to unlock. It must be 99.999999.
jon357 67 | 16,915
24 Feb 2021 #4,782
1. The virus is already endemic.

Which is what they're saying.

2. The survival rate is 99.9%+

Not among the millions of people in poor health, often obesity or age-related. Now if we had the hospital beds for them...

Hence the locdown.

yes we should just continue normal life.

In your country, it mostly has.
Novichok 1 | 2,749
24 Feb 2021 #4,783
Not among the millions of people in poor health, often obesity or age-related.

Those should not be coded as from covid. These people were already past their allocated time.
jon357 67 | 16,915
24 Feb 2021 #4,784
Those should not be coded as from covid

If it's what killed someone, it's what killed someone.

A fatty aged 30 still has a couple of decades left.
Novichok 1 | 2,749
24 Feb 2021 #4,785
If it's what killed someone, it's what killed someone.

I meant the age. No, they don't know what killed in many cases. They just test for the presence of the virus. I know because I called my favorite hospital, NCH in Arlington Heights, and they told me that they don't differentiate between "from" and "with". To the system, it's the same. A guy dying in an ICU is a different matter.

At the end of the day, I still like Mr. Darwin who said, "stupid die first" and that we all are going to die.
dolnoslask 6 | 3,085
24 Feb 2021 #4,786
Looks like the city dweller spreaders have caused another lockdown, glad it doesn't apply to dolno land.
kondzior 12 | 1,245
24 Feb 2021 #4,787
Not among the millions of people in poor health, often obesity or age-related. Now if we had the hospital beds for them...

It is just en excuse. I may have mentioned this already, but it bears repeating - one of the reasons why the hospitals are "paralysed" and "at capacity" is that certain scumbag doctors have been taking sick leaves since the virus appeared, and some of them have been on leave for a full year now. And I have this information firsthand.

Hopefully more and more people see this chicken little-esque farce for what it is and ignore the talmudvision, government and hucksters like Fraudci.
jon357 67 | 16,915
24 Feb 2021 #4,788
it bears repeating

Now it doesn't really, does it...

doctors have been taking sick leaves

You do make sh1t up, don't you...
mafketis 25 | 9,324
24 Feb 2021 #4,789
certain scumbag doctors have been taking sick leaves since the virus appeared

I have a friend in the healthcare administration and.... yeah, lots of personnel aren't really working... esp nurses, lots of normal health procedures have largely stopped which means all cause mortality is (and will stay) up....

The positive test metric is mostly useless and largely a function of testing The government seems to ramp up test numbers to push the 'case' numbers up and lower testing to push them down. In other words they're manipulating the number of tests to get the results they want to implement the policies they (or.... somebody) wants.

What people should be looking at is the percentage of positive tests. I've been following it for a week or so.

The percentage is pretty consistently around 15-18 % (with more testing usually pushing it up a bit to about 19 %...
OP Braveheart16 18 | 281
25 Feb 2021 #4,790
Mafketis -

health procedures have largely stopped which means all cause mortality is (and will stay) up....

Is this to do with the Polish healthcare system...?
mafketis 25 | 9,324
25 Feb 2021 #4,791
Is this to do with the Polish healthcare system...?

Of course, how many governments in a row starved if of funding? The reasoning was different (having a hidden agenda of building up a private insurance system, having an open agenda of welfare handouts for votes etc)

Covid was the big load of bricks that broke the camel's back... especially since the government was still trying to starve it of funding in favor of sweetheart contracts for the well-connected...

Undiagnosed and untreated cancers and heart problems etc will kill lots more people than covid (and if tested post mortem many will also be positive and so they'll be listed as covid deaths).

The Chinese Communist Party succeeded in exporting a bunch of horrifically dysfunctional policies regarding covid, which absent those policies, would already be in the rearview mirror...
PolAmKrakow 1 | 792
25 Feb 2021 #4,792
@jon357
Or if we just said.....since you didn't bother to take care of your health all your life, we are not willing to ruin our lives to save yours. That sound like the smart solution. Some nice people may die, but the most that will die are just waiting to die anyway.
Lenka 3 | 2,561
25 Feb 2021 #4,793
the most that will die are just waiting to die anyway.

You are incredible. I really hope you don't count yourself in the nice people group.

Just for the record, I believe corona is not as dangerous as media would like us to believe but talking about other ,sick or older, like PolAm does makes me want to vomit.
johnny reb 29 | 5,411
25 Feb 2021 #4,794
..since you didn't bother to take care of your health all your life,

You mean, 'Be responsible and accountable' for your choices ?
This is 2021 PolAm, remember, Safe Rooms, Participation Trophies, rules are only for other people, not a shred of common sense, no exercise at all in their lives besides waddling into the convenience store to get a couple packs of smokes.

we are not willing to ruin our lives to save yours.

That is just not Politically Correct as much as I agree with you 100%.
Look right into their dying eyes and quietly say, "Pay day has arrived because of your bad choices."
johnny reb 29 | 5,411
25 Feb 2021 #4,795
Now Pfizer, BioNTech Studying Third Covid-19 Vaccine Dose to Fight New Strains.
That will mean a third vaccine.
The fear the guinea pigs face today.
We must listen to these scientists like 'Bill Gates' and only eat synthetic meat too.
Then next year we will be required to take the forth vaccine if we want to fly on a plane or go into a grocery store.

Then in 2023 a fifth vaccine for the new virus that hasn't been released/discovered yet.
Then we will be required to have Bill Gates chip put under our skin to prove we have been vaccinated to THEIR liking.
Even at my age I want to know what the long term effects are going to be with these vaccines before I get poked.
Spike31 2 | 2,224
25 Feb 2021 #4,796
Only science led restrictions

:-D

cancer epidemy in the 2022 year, as the direct impact of Covid-19 on human organism

Of all people I didn't expect you, @Crow to fall for "pandemic". You sniff conspiracy everywhere and then you swallow the biggest bullshit of our times called "covid pandemic"

There is, and will be a spike of deaths related to cancers, heart and circulatory diseases etc. but for a different reason. Simply because patients other than infected with famous flu [covid] were neglected and regular hospitals were converted into "covid hospitals". Those who made those decisions are responsible for the deaths of those people.

And they should be prosecuted once this madness is over. And it will be over only when citizens en masse say it's over. The government and "experts" can play this game forever since it is very convenient for them to keep it going. And some others because they know what has happened are afraid of taking responsibility.
Novichok 1 | 2,749
25 Feb 2021 #4,797
but talking about other, sick or older, like PolAm does makes me want to vomit.

Your post revealed again the difference between men and women; men talk policy, women talk feelings.
jon357 67 | 16,915
25 Feb 2021 #4,798
It looks like some of the loophole here have been closed. The bar at Hala Koszyki etc are now taped shut as are the places to ear indoors.
PolAmKrakow 1 | 792
25 Feb 2021 #4,799
@Lenka
I count myself in the realists group. Make poor choices and pay the consequences. Its called life. Don't want to burn to death? Don't poor gasoline over your head and play with matches.
kondzior 12 | 1,245
25 Feb 2021 #4,800
The vaccines won't prevent you from getting the virus. It won't prevent you from spreading it. The only thing it does according to some paid shill I listened to on TV yesterday, is that you probably won't die from the virus if you get it and you're vaccinated. Regardless of how many people are vaccinated, all the measures will stay in effect. Peak clown world.

Get ready for the great reset plebs, its for your own good.


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