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mafketis 24 | 9,387
30 Dec 2020 #4,111
some global management is eventually going to be needed

They're not going to ask you to join them....

And overpopulation outside of Subsaharan Africa is no longer a real concern.... most of the rest of the world is either at or closing in on ZPG (or negative ZPG) a natural consequence of industrialization - technological advancement. But nobody (African or not) has figured out how to improve the technological basis of most of Africa... and African values work heavily against it.
Novichok - | 2,149
30 Dec 2020 #4,112
Overpopulation.

Overpopulation by itself is not a problem. Overpopulation combined with overconsumption is.
kondzior 12 | 1,200
30 Dec 2020 #4,113
So let's use food as a weapon. Because the real kicker is supply chains, payment which leads to all kinds of fockups down the line. Most notably food supplies. Once people starve you can get them to do (almost) anything.

Including getting the vax and other crap (by proxy).

Blackmail people with the idea that they need to inject themselves with experimental Pfizer/Moderna vaccines NOW, or they will be in lockdown forever. When in fact distancing measures will continue for a long time regardless. And in reality all kinds of vaccines are being developed, including more "orthodox" ones. And others are working round the clock to provide drugs instead of vaccines. But somehow it's "Pfizer or bust", and that's why we're giving Pfizer to care workers who will still be infectious afterwards. Oh, and to 100-year-olds of course. If they die tomorrow then at least they didn't die from Covid!

This is not even the first "new strain". In September it was already being suggested that the "second wave" was caused by a new, more infectious but less deadly variant that was brought in by people returning from holiday in Spain. The second wave was projected to be longer, with a longer plateau of hospitalisations and deaths instead of one short peak. And lo and behold, it happened just like that. But somehow the whole world has already developed selective amnesia as to this news from only a few months ago, so that the fact that "Viruses mutate, news at 11" really becomes a news headline at 11.

In fact we have all forgotten the reality of how viruses work in the first place, otherwise how can the natural mutation of a virus to become less deadly be perceived as bad news? Unless we believe that corona is some kind of Plague Inc-designed super virus that will spread like wildfire and then kills everyone once God flicks a switch. Be completely resistant to vaccines and treatments. Reinfect people with reckless abandon, totally impossible to build up immunity to it. Give young, healthy people symptoms for the rest of their lives (look! Scary pictures of black toes!). And all that just because a man in Wuhan ate a bat, the government there responded strongly to it, and we didn't. Unlucky us. And lucky them.
OP Braveheart16 18 | 254
30 Dec 2020 #4,114
Novichok - What would be the ruling mafia's purpose of "destruction"?
kondzior - ........lefists like to argue babies aren't really human.......nothing wrong in killing them......

I think you both need to create a separate thread on your discussions with each other.....what you say has nothing to do with Covid in Poland and would appear to be on a completely different topic....you both have lots of imagination and it is probably best used in another thread...
Novichok - | 2,149
30 Dec 2020 #4,115
what you say has nothing to do with Covid in Poland

If you apply this standard, the thread will become TVP evening news - informative and boring as hell. Thanks to the posters like kondzior it's not.

This being a "global pandemic", it made everything that applies to one country apply to half of them - Poland included.
What some of us suspect that the above is the evidence of global control by the Davos mafia. It's too similar.
PolAmKrakow 1 | 590
31 Dec 2020 #4,116
If reducing the population is a goal, why are they using the vaccine on senior citizens first? If indentured servitude were the goal then why would so many people be profiting off of their creativity in this pandemic such as COVID supply vending machines, testing labs, hand made designer masks, small start ups for local food and grocery deliveries?

Such a New World Order plan would take many years and would have to be so structured that humans could not make it happen. Too many people would see avenues to personally enrich themselves more than their co-conspirators. It is simply impossible.

Can we now actually get back to discussing the pandemic issues instead of conspiracy theories?
kondzior 12 | 1,200
31 Dec 2020 #4,117
Acknowledge this doctor's agenda.

youtu.be/YgOAaLmoa68

It's scary how fast 'fact checkers' try to discredit him.
Novichok - | 2,149
31 Dec 2020 #4,118
Can we now actually get back to discussing the pandemic issues instead of conspiracy theories?

Sure we can. Greed does not need conspiracies. It's inherent to humans and it controls their actions just as well as an actual conspiracy with hushed voices or coded messages. That video in kondzior's post above is as good a proof as anything.
ShawnH 8 | 1,508
31 Dec 2020 #4,119
Canada has announced it will be mandatory for people returning from abroad will require a negative PCR Test no older than 72 hours prior to arrival. This will be a logistical nightmare for those who must travel. I anticipate that this will be more common throughout the world as the vaccines are rolled out and levels of international travel return to "normal".

cbc.ca/news/politics/negative-pcr-covid-test-air-passengers-1.5857626

Are there locations throughout Poland where a non resident can get a (paid for?) PCR test?
PolAmKrakow 1 | 590
31 Dec 2020 #4,120
@ShawnH
A PCR test in Poland is about 150 zloty, results in 15 minutes available everywhere. Nasal swab available everywhere, results in 24 to 48 hours cost about 450 zloty. Easy to find and get done.
ShawnH 8 | 1,508
31 Dec 2020 #4,121
@PolAmKrakow
Thanks, but can you define "Everywhere"? hospitals? pharmacies? special clinics?

Any word of testing at WAW airport pre-boarding?
johnny reb 28 | 5,329
31 Dec 2020 #4,122
And can anyone explain why the vaccines are being distributed at a snails pace ?
cms neuf 1 | 1,852
31 Dec 2020 #4,123
In Poland they are going at quite a good pace - as quick as most other European countries
johnny reb 28 | 5,329
31 Dec 2020 #4,124
Seriously ?
Poland as to date has only administered 36,000 doses.
Croatia is even worse with only 8,000
Germany is at 132,000
U,K. is at 947,000
While the U.S. is at 3.1 million.
What's the hold up ?
PolAmKrakow 1 | 590
31 Dec 2020 #4,125
@ShawnH
Pretty easy google search. Not trying to promote any business.
cms neuf 1 | 1,852
31 Dec 2020 #4,126
I thought it was 80k in Poland ?

Britain approved the vaccine 3 weeks earlier
johnny reb 28 | 5,329
31 Dec 2020 #4,127
What are your sources for the 80k ?
Here is mine:
bloomberg.com/graphics/covid-vaccine-tracker-global-distribution/
cms neuf 1 | 1,852
31 Dec 2020 #4,128
It was on the Polish news tonight - Polsat probably. Your table shows Poland one day behind
johnny reb 28 | 5,329
1 Jan 2021 #4,129
So you are suggesting that 40,000 people in Poland got vaccinated in a 12 hour period ?
Just saying...........
cms neuf 1 | 1,852
1 Jan 2021 #4,130
Yes it's possible - the UK has been vaccinating 50k a day in average

Poland only started 3 days ago. There are 800 points working so that's about 50 a day in each point, or 4 per hour.

I know maths isn't a strong point for you but these mass vaccinations need to hit fingers of 100k plus per day. If it's only 40k a day then it would take 1000 days to vaccinate everyone- that's 3 years
johnny reb 28 | 5,329
1 Jan 2021 #4,131
If it's only 40k a day then it would take 1000 days to vaccinate everyone- that's 3 years

But we aren't talking about the U.K.
I see math is not your strong point either as actually vaccinating 35,000 people a day for 3 years would be closer then your 40,000 a day but you are the math whiz here so who am I to argue.

Then when you factor in the millions that are going to refuse them my figure would be even lower.
PolAmKrakow 1 | 590
1 Jan 2021 #4,132
@cms neuf
In Poland though they are expecting less than 50% of people will get poked. Thanks to the government not educating people on the vaccine and letting the the untrue and unfounded rumor of DNA manipulation flourish, more people will die.

Read a report that in the post war era, Poland had more deaths in 2020 than any other year. More than 460 thousand deaths is a large number, considering a vast majority are older, PiS again killing off their own supporters.

It is really amazing to me how this government continues to bungle just about everything yet remains in power. Only 16 days left in this great lockdown that is proving to be anything but effective as numbers continue to stay the same daily for infections.
johnny reb 28 | 5,329
1 Jan 2021 #4,133
Armchair quarterbacks always have all the correct answers.
pawian 176 | 14,299
1 Jan 2021 #4,134
And can anyone explain why the vaccines are being distributed at a snails pace ?

Now think hard and don`t pretend you don`t know. It is your ideological buddies at power who, as true socialists, had prefered to waste billions of zlotys on benefits since 2015, instead of investing it in health care. In the USA thread you accuse Demos of wasting money, calling them bad names. How will you call PIS if they do the same???

if you still don`t understand simple things, let me tell you there are not enough trained people to handle vaccinations coz most medical staff are busy with their regular duties, also taking care of covid patients. The rightist government has invited professionals from the East - over a hundred doctors from Belarus, Russia etc have registered into the programme in emergency mode. .

Ha!!
johnny reb 28 | 5,329
1 Jan 2021 #4,135
let me tell you there are not enough trained people to handle vaccinations

Oh horse hockey with your insultive propaganda.
You have been watching to much CNN (blame it on Trump) and now want to blame PiS for everything just because you don't like them.

Monkey see, monkey do.
A six hour course can train someone to administer a vaccine correctly.
Tell me why Poland's military can't step up and take over and set up mobile clinics to give Poland's medical staff some support ?

as true socialists, had prefered to waste billions of zlotys on benefits since 2015, instead of investing it in health care.

You mean like yourself with your teachers benefits.
Next time your teaching contract comes up with benefits, tell them no thank you, give them to the healthcare system. HA !
pawian 176 | 14,299
1 Jan 2021 #4,136
why Poland's military can't step up and take over and set up mobile clinics

Because we are ruled by rightards. Simple.

teachers benefits.

You have problem with maths, obviously. And know nothing about the reality in Poland.
So, let me enlighten you that teacher benefits had existed long before PiS came to power. Besides, they are only a tiny fraction of what PIS has wasted so far. Finally, , the only benefit that teachers got directly from PiS was 500 PLN for online teaching equipment. That`s a a little over 100 $. hahaha

So, get a grip and tell us how you are going to call PiS for wasting billions. Don`t be a hypocrite with different views in each different thread. According to what you say in the USA thread, you should call them bolsheviks. Don`t by shy...... hhahahaha

now want to blame PiS for everything just because you don't like them.

Stop twisting. It has nothing to do with me now, we are expecting YOU to tell us your TRUE views - do you support bolsheviks or not????

A six hour course can train someone to administer a vaccine correctly.

6 hours??? It is 5 hours too much for PiS to handle such a complex operation. If it was one hour, then PiS would manage to carry it out somehow. But 6? Come on, they are rightards, you seem to constantly forget it.....

When will you admit that PiS are bolsheviks who waste money on useless benefits? Shall I track your own words about bolshevism in the USA thread?
pawian 176 | 14,299
1 Jan 2021 #4,137
most medical staff are busy with their regular duties, also taking care of covid patients

And there are still not enough of them. A temporary hospital in Szczecin is taking in more and more patients but the staff doesn`t increase and the situation is getting difficult. The hospital management is begging medics to take overtime.

tvn24.pl/pomorze/koronawirus-w-polsce-szczecin-w-szpitalu-tymczasowym-brakuje-personelu-4876468

Johhny, that was a good example showing the result of wasting money on benefits instead on health care. How will you call PiS rulers?
johnny reb 28 | 5,329
1 Jan 2021 #4,138
Now Peter Pan, you know this thread is suppose to be about Covid so why are you taking it off - topic that you are so famous for doing.

Because we are ruled by rightards.

Yes, the superior party to keep you Marxist Commie Socialists in line.

teacher benefits had existed long before PiS came to power.

Seems I hit a nerve about about your comment of wasting money on benefits and don't want to talk about your 'personal' benefits (perks) that you receive from the wonderful and gracious PiS Party that you hate as a Marxist Commie Bolshevik yourself.

The PiS Party emphasizes that the European Union should "benefit Poland and not the other way around.
Kinda like Trump putting America first philosophy.
And you as a Bolshevik Liberal Socialist want to destroy that and turn Poland into a Communist Country again. Simple
Your constant Communist remarks reflect that.

Shall I track your own words about bolshevism in the USA thread?

Was I talking about you there too ?
While you are there track down where you got beat up three days in a row last week there on your twisted sillyness.
Now can we get back on topic.

How will you call PiS rulers?

The much lesser of two evils.
If you want to blow off steam about PLN's defeat you should find the proper thread to do that.

The hospital management is begging medics to take overtime.

Just like the rest of the world.
The hospitals in the U.S. are at capacity too.
Tell us how your PSL would fix that.
pawian 176 | 14,299
1 Jan 2021 #4,139
Tell us how your PSL would fix that.

Peasants` Party??? No, they are not my conscious option. :):)
Parties which didn`t promise benefits would have invested more in health care - e.g., they would increase doctors` and nurses` salaries. They would invest in equipment - was it you who mocked those ancient beds from 1970s installed in temporary hospitals? They wouldn`t waste millions on useless ventilators or masks without proper certificates. They would change the system so that hospitals aren`t crushed by gigantic debts. etc etc

How? For example, they would hire reasonable people to deal with problems. PiS didn`t coz they hire only from their own circles, and as they are rightards, the choice is very limited.
johnny reb 28 | 5,329
1 Jan 2021 #4,140
Peasants` Party??? No, they are not my conscious option.

Boy you're just not happy with anyone besides yourself are you.
Poland is doing as well or better than the rest of the E.U. with Covid so why all the negative howling about PiS. failing.

Quit playing the blame game like half of America is doing with Trump.
Besides the fact that YOU don't like PiS yet the other half of Poland does.
I'm sorry Poland's election results left you such a typical bitter Libtard.
We are all in it together with Covid and there are no sides.
You have to learn to accept things the way they are and not the way you want them.


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