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Coronavirus in Poland


Dirk diggler 9 | 4,721
14 Dec 2020 #3,961
Your FDA is pretty reliable - I'd trust them.

I wouldn't. For one, you can't sue a pharma company if a vaccine causes you serious problems or kills you. Vaccines are exempt from such lawsuits.

Also, FDA like other government organizations is influenced by politics and money. Most of the people working in these departments are a mix of middle and upper ranks from the private sector - the treasury has former bankers, the FDA has former pharma people, etc. A lot of people after workign in the industry for 10, 20+ years they end up going into government, lobbying, etc.
johnny reb 28 | 5,307
14 Dec 2020 #3,962
Your FDA is pretty reliable - I'd trust them.

Dirk, he just added that to re enforce and sugar coat his re-directed claim which had nothing to do with my question to him.

Good luck with explaining something to Delphy.

It is an old Harry, jon, delf trick of deflections to avoid being proven wrong.
They take a completely different sentence out of your post to reply to by ignoring the one you ask the question about.
Go back and look.

Man what a sight to see this morning in Grand Rapids Michigan.
An entire runway at Gerald Ford International Airport in Grand Rapids was dedicated to planes delivering the vaccine.
I wonder if any of those jets are heading for Poland ?
If the Covid vaccine is welcomed like the flu shot in Poland they won't need many.
Only 4% of the people in Poland were vaccinated against the flu.
Poland sees COVID-19 vaccination capacity at 3.4 million doses a month

thestar.com.my/news/world/2020/12/12/poland-sees-covid-19-vaccination-capacity-at-34-million-doses-a-month

The Polish government may face problems convincing people to get vaccinated.
A recent survey from CBOS showed almost half of Poles do not intend to do so.

wsau.com/2020/12/08/poland-has-bought-over-60-million-covid-19-vaccine-doses-pm-says/
kondzior 12 | 1,200
15 Dec 2020 #3,963
Immunity does fade though. The cloned antibodies that Trump received have an efficacy of a few months only. That is how an immune reaction and antibodies work. Since this year apparently. Also, none of us have immune systems, anymore, either. Like, at all. This is why we need vaccines. Get yours today. Before it stops working. Again.
johnny reb 28 | 5,307
15 Dec 2020 #3,964
About 10% of the local healthcare workers in our area have now been vaccinated.
Crow 146 | 9,113
15 Dec 2020 #3,965
Some people, doctors also, says that pork meat, especially bacon, helps against Corona. I would tend to agree.

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Cargo pants 2 | 853
15 Dec 2020 #3,966
About 10% of the local healthcare workers

I tried to volunteer to get the jab in a hospital by me but they refused:(

says that pork meat, especially bacon, helps against Corona.

Vow! so means most Mooselimbs will get corona and die if they dont get vaccine?
johnny reb 28 | 5,307
15 Dec 2020 #3,967
I want to know why CNN relies on Bill Gates opinions on the virus.
Just because he is a Billionaire ?
He is not a medical doctor, he doesn't have a medical degree, he has no experience in the medical field of any kind yet his opinion is suppose to hold water.

Bill wants to shut the complete country down for six week.
That would mean a disaster for the average business owners and their workers losing everything not having a paycheck.
I think they should shutdown Microsoft, CNN and all Government workers and not give any of their workers a paycheck for six weeks to make it fair.

I wonder if they would agree to those terms in shutting down the complete country.
Who is really behind all of this ?
PolAmKrakow 1 | 590
15 Dec 2020 #3,968
@johnny reb
Lets shut down NBC and FOX too. Shut everything down or shut nothing down seems to be the only way to go. Otherwise people are reaping huge profits off the crisis.
Crow 146 | 9,113
15 Dec 2020 #3,969
Obamacare will provide vaccine. Prapare yourself to be enriched.
mafketis 24 | 9,374
16 Dec 2020 #3,970
In the latest news, apparently the vaccine doesn't mean you can't get the virus or spread it to others... since recipients are still supposed to self-isolate and mask even after a week after the second dose (I have too much dignity to call them 'jabs' really that's infantile...).

The CEO of the company is apparently in no hurry to get it either...

So..... it's just a stalling tactic to give people hope that the lockdown and forced depression of the economy will end.... the only way they will end is when people simply refuse en masse to follow outdated quackery thought up by the Chinese Communist Party...

It's no longer about some virus it's about social control and transferring wealth to the oligarchs... (with a few progressive nutcases like Klaus Schwab and Climate Girl hoping to turn everyone into medieval peasants).

Oh... and given the over-sensitive nature of the Chinese Communist Party approved testing protocols (detecting dead inactive virus) the vaccine won't decrease 'case counts' at all...

So.... anyone who still believes what any government says is a sucker (can't think of any politer expression).
cms neuf 1 | 1,852
16 Dec 2020 #3,971
I don't compute Mafketis - if you have the jab (sorry!) it reduces your chance of getting ill by 80 percent. If it does nothing else it will free up beds and if everyone gets it then why do we need isolation any more ?
Roibeard79 2 | 42
16 Dec 2020 #3,972
@mafketis

In the latest news, apparently the vaccine doesn't mean you can't get the virus or spread it to others...

This is not latest news, this is from day one.
mafketis 24 | 9,374
16 Dec 2020 #3,973
why do we need isolation any more ?

I would argue we don't need it now... for a long time the isolation and lockdowns have had nothing to do with public health and everything to do with mad plans to reshape society (different players have different plans they only thing they have in common is they want to destroy the current order).

The vaccine sideshow is to get people to accept the destruction just a little while longer (as is the constant drama about 'new strains').

When the prospect of a vaccine is no longer enough to keep people huddled at home then they'll roll out a new "dangerous" strain....
johnny reb 28 | 5,307
16 Dec 2020 #3,974
When the prospect of a vaccine is no longer enough to keep people huddled at home

Spot on and here it comes:
Dr. Fauci in a new interview praised the scientific breakthrough that allowed us to receive a vaccine for the coronavirus in record time while also confessing that it will be for naught if enough people don't take the vaccine.
kondzior 12 | 1,200
17 Dec 2020 #3,975
Pfizer CEO Not Getting His Own Vaccine; he don't want "to jump the queue"

heh
mafketis 24 | 9,374
17 Dec 2020 #3,977
A take back everything I ever said about Germans and 'no sense of humor' you are killing it here!
Crow 146 | 9,113
17 Dec 2020 #3,978
Now listen this.

Muslims in Bosnia don't wish a Russian vaccine. They want German or British. They are so deluded that they tottaly forgot they have Slavic genetics.
Novichok - | 2,114
17 Dec 2020 #3,979
So.... anyone who still believes what any government says is a sucker (can't think of any politer expression).

If I could I would hug you for that post. How about a naive useful idiot or mindless moron.
The first duty of every adult is to distrust and frustrate his government - masks and covid data included.
Half of my depression comes from the masked zombies I see where even the lying government parasites can't justify them with "science".
johnny reb 28 | 5,307
17 Dec 2020 #3,980
A take back everything I ever said about Germans

German Covid deaths are at an all time high.
Germany recorded its biggest increase in deaths since the pandemic began as Chancellor Merkel hinted that a hard lockdown that takes effect yesterday will remain in force longer than planned.

the lying government parasites can't justify them

I can, it is flue season and the mask will help stop the spread of it.
I hate going to the grocery store when everyone with the flue is coughing, sneezing and spitting all over the fresh produce, the checkout machines, me and everything else in the store.

The masks are a good thing, Rich.
mafketis 24 | 9,374
17 Dec 2020 #3,981
he don't want "to jump the queue"

As if the only way the CEO of the company could get an injection was by going down to a clinic and shoving his way in line.... anyone who believes his reasoning is not using their brain or lying to themselves...
Tacitus 2 | 1,229
17 Dec 2020 #3,982
I ever said about Germans and 'no sense of humor' you are killing it here!

What is supposedly funny about this? Not sure how it is in the USA and Pfizer, but in Germany there will be queues and the vaccine will be given to old people and doctors and nurses first. The CEO of Pfizer doesn't seem to fit either criteria. Imagine the outcry if he abused his influence to get the vaccine sooner than he would habe otherwise.
mafketis 24 | 9,374
17 Dec 2020 #3,983
What is supposedly funny about this?

You don't get it? Hilarious..... the CEO has to wait his turn for the vaccine that takes a month to take effect (and then doesn't prevent the patient from getting or spreading the virus and which won't even work after three months....)

This is tragicomedy in the making...
Novichok - | 2,114
17 Dec 2020 #3,984
The masks are a good thing, Rich.

Not outside. This is when it's time to take it off - I actually rip it off with extreme anger - to ventilate the lungs.

Inside - no problem. But when I am in a nearly empty store and nobody is next to me, my mask comes off.

It's the morons who wear them in the parks and in their cars that I hate because they add to the spook factor - like that there is something in the air - oooogh - that I don't know about and die. Yeah. Sure.
johnny reb 28 | 5,307
17 Dec 2020 #3,985
Now listen up Richard !
Nobody is forcing you to wear one in your car or outside where there are no people so lighten up.
In a public store regardless if anyone is around you or not as you are still breathing over items that someone else may touch.
Especially fresh produce.
It's people like you that are spreading this stuff by being bullheaded know it all's.
When someone walks up to me in a store without a mask I yell as loud as I can, "GET THE HELL AWAY FROM ME !" to shame them.

Then actually run away from them making a scene.
A mask prevents the unnecessary spread to a degree and any degree helps.
It also shows RESPECT for your fellow man which you are short on.

I actually rip it off with extreme anger

To avoid such anger, Rich, maybe you should get 'curb side pick-up' or drop someone off at the door of the store that doesn't mind conforming to common sense to let them do your shopping for you.

That's my opinion about Maskholes.
Dirk diggler 9 | 4,721
17 Dec 2020 #3,986
The masks are a good thing, Rich.

Good thing for what? Preventing against a flu virus that has a 99% survival rate?

I can, it is flue season and the mask will help stop the spread of it.

Statistics show otherwise. If masks, lockdowns, and social distancing were that effective then we wouldn't have seen spikes the past few months. The rates should be going down since so many people are paranoid about a mild flu because they watch too much television. Yet, they haven't. That leads one to believe that masks, social distancing, etc. makes no meaningful difference. In fact, countries like Belarus and Sweden which didn't enact severe restrictions appear to be fairing better than ones that did.

The vaccine sideshow is to get people to accept the destruction just a little while longer....

When the prospect of a vaccine is no longer enough to keep people huddled....

Wow I actually agree with you for once...

This whole covid thing is absolutely ridiculous. I see it as nothing more than a way to clamp down on peoples' freedoms, interfere with their lives, expand government control, and transfer even more wealth from the small business class and entrepreneurs to large corporations. As soon as this thing started taking hold around January/February 2020 I knew that this was all going to happen. It just seems way too convenient, way too much of a coincidence that there's some novel flu virus and now we have to completely transform our society and transfer billions of dollars in wealth.

No one is going to convince me that this wasn't all planned from the get go.

As the old Roman saying goes - Cui bono?
Novichok - | 2,114
17 Dec 2020 #3,987
Now listen up Richard !

Please read my post 3984. If you read it you would see that I have zero problems with wearing that stupid mask as a condition of admission. I will never wear it when the nearest person is 50 feet away - inside or out.

We use curbside pick up whenever possible.

My comment was about the over-obedient idiots who wear masks when there is no medical justification.

Yet, they haven't.

Damn right. If all that crap that destroys the country worked, how come we have that second wave? How many cycles of lock- unlock-lock-unlock can a society afford? Three? How about ten?

This whole covid thing is absolutely ridiculous.

I agree with your post 100%. The only thing that is still confusing is the pattern - the same all over the world, Sweden aside.
johnny reb 28 | 5,307
17 Dec 2020 #3,988
Preventing against a flu virus that has a 99% survival rate?

No, in helping to prevent me from suffering because of some other inconsiderate ashole.

Statistics show otherwise.

Sources please.
Is that why all healthcare workers wear them ?......to hide their pretty smile ?

we wouldn't have seen spikes the past few months.

Dirk you are smarter then that.
The reason we have seen a spike is because people like you have become lackadaisical about social distancing, wearing masks, attending funerals, weddings and other social gatherings.

One way to help with the problem would be to have anyone who refuses to wear a mask or social distance sign a form that they believe like you do.

Then when they show up to take up a hospital bed they can be denied for being stupid.

My comment was about the over-obedient idiots who wear masks when there is no medical justification.

Nope, you said that you take it off inside public buildings where you have been ask by the owner to wear one.

But when I am in a nearly empty store and nobody is next to me, my mask comes off.

Is that what the sign on the door said ?
Take your mask off if no one is around ?
Of course not.
Don't make up excuses as you go, Rich.
Because no one is around you are still leaving your germs on such things as fresh produce.
And you may not know if you have the virus or not.
Dirk diggler 9 | 4,721
17 Dec 2020 #3,989
For me it's mostly annoyances - being unable to enter a building without a mask, being unable to go have a nice dinner in a restaurant without having to sit outside and freeze your ass off, being unable to travel abroad freely, waiting longer for mail, etc. So all in all, the impact is minor for me. I feel bad for the people who's lives have been turned upside down - the bar/restaurant owners, the parents who have to figure out how to work and babysit their kids at the same time since schools are closed, the landlords who's tenants are refusing to pay them even though they have the money and still have to pay the outrageous property taxes or get a lien, the healthcare workers who aren't given a choice whether they want to take an unproven RNA type vaccine that permanently alters their DNA and with no knowledge of how it impacts their health in the long run or if it is even all that effective, etc.

Is that why all healthcare workers wear them ?......to hide their pretty smile ?

Because they are forced. There's quite a few medical professionals speaking out against the covid "statistics" as being grossly inflated and speaking out against RNA type vaccines.

Sources please.

Sure, Chicago has more cases now than in the past months, even though people are still forced to wear masks, social distance, etc. It's the same in other cities and countries. Same thing with Poland - they have some of the strictest covid measures yet that hasn't stopped covid from spreading. Hence, one can deduce that wearing masks, social distancing, etc. makes little to no difference. If it did, then we wouldn't have the increases the past few months despite people being forced to stay at home, wear masks, etc. since the spring.

people like you have become lackadaisical about social distancing, wearing masks, attending funerals, weddings and other social gatherings.

I'm forced to wear a mask everywhere I go except at my job, my house, and my car. And I can't attend social gatherings because everything has been closed for months. If I want to go grab a beer at a bar I'd have to stand outside in 30 degree weather freezing my ass off with a half dozen drunks that put up with it because it's better than going through alcohol withdrawals.
Novichok - | 2,114
17 Dec 2020 #3,990
The reason we have seen a spike is because people like you have become lackadaisical about social distancing, wearing masks,

No!!! Arizona has 97% compliance rate and is just as screwed - according to the liars and their "cases". NY with all the crowds has 2.5% positivity rate.

That virus is like Niagara Falls; nothing can stop it.
Those who are weak and scared should stay home and let those under 60 go to work. Somebody has to or we are all going to die.

The only statistic that would be alarming is if the average age of those who died from (not with) the virus was materially lower than the life span before 2020.

If it is equal to the life span, it's fear-mongering. Why do they do it? Simple. Nobody wants to be accused of "murdering" thousands the way they accused Trump. "We have to do something" in its crudest form that eliminates thinking and the risks of being wrong.

When in doubt, look for a lawyer in the background.


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