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kondzior 12 | 1,200
10 Dec 2020 #3,931
.I understand that only 70% of the population need be vaccinated to have an effect on the virus so no problem.

Just the idea of taking a vaccine that's 95% safe to protect me from a virus that's 99.99% safe is beyond retarded.
Novichok - | 2,111
10 Dec 2020 #3,932
Brilliant. Just like wearing a mask when the nearest human is a mile away or when alone in your own car.
OP Braveheart16 18 | 253
10 Dec 2020 #3,933
@kondzior
Not sure what the meaning of your message is....are you saying the virus is 99.99% safe..?
Novichok - | 2,111
10 Dec 2020 #3,934
Let me intrude....The virus kills .01% of those who get it. 5% of those who got vaccinated will get sick. Not the same thing but an interesting way of looking at this bloody mess. That's how I see it.
Crow 146 | 9,113
11 Dec 2020 #3,935
Best cure for Corona? Just turn off your TV.
rozumiemnic 8 | 3,956
11 Dec 2020 #3,936
That is so true. I switched off my TV back in April and haven't switched it back on.
Joker 2 | 1,770
11 Dec 2020 #3,937
You are the smartest person on this forum:)
johnny reb 28 | 5,306
11 Dec 2020 #3,939
No, really you are Roz.

Boy did Trump lay into them this morning.
He said, (and I am paraphrasing), "Get that f-ing vaccine out there faster !"
Novichok - | 2,111
11 Dec 2020 #3,940
He said, (and I am paraphrasing), "Get that f-ing vaccine out there faster !"

...and again revealed that he is powerless. If I could talk to him, I would ask: Mr. President, why did you say THAT?
johnny reb 28 | 5,306
11 Dec 2020 #3,941
Trump would answer, "Simple Richard, so they couldn't blame me for letting 3,000 people a day die because the vaccine was being held up."
chrisshrew - | 16
12 Dec 2020 #3,942
It's a start but not impressive and at that rate it will take 4 years to vaccinate everyone

But that is assuming that everyone can or will want it done which fairly obviously isn't the case. The important thing in my opinion is that once it gets carried out to those who really need it in hospitals and care homes over Jan and Feb, (Although of course that depends when in January it gets underway) then it's made available to other groups who want or need it in the Spring.

As this happens of course the restrictions should be gradually lifted and by the summer the only advice that should really remain is regular handwashing. I cautiously accept masks and social distances as a temporary measure in the current circumstances but if this vaccine is as effective as we are told it is we have to be able to trust it as things get back to normal.
Crow 146 | 9,113
12 Dec 2020 #3,943
Coronavirus is global reset.
Joker 2 | 1,770
13 Dec 2020 #3,944
Chinavirus is a commie plot to dominate the world. Its too bad Trump wont be around to defend us anymore.
Crow 146 | 9,113
13 Dec 2020 #3,945
What about Bidenovirus?
cms neuf 1 | 1,852
13 Dec 2020 #3,946
Chris Shrew I see the govt now saying 3m a month which is more like it. If the vaccine works then all the energy of the state showily be focused on delivering it asap then people can get back to working and studying again
delphiandomine 88 | 18,858
13 Dec 2020 #3,947
If the vaccine works

From all the scientific literature out there, it seems very clear that even a single dose is enough to significantly reduce the impact from it.

Poland would do incredibly well to get rid of the stupid need for an interview with a doctor before vaccinations too. It should be on self-declaration, just like in the UK and US. I got the flu vaccination a couple of months ago, and it was 20 minutes wasted on bureaucracy, 5 minutes on being vaccinated.
kondzior 12 | 1,200
13 Dec 2020 #3,948
people can get back to working and studying again

Functionally getting the vaccine doesn't do anything for you since the general population won't be vaccinated enough until probably fall of 2021 so all the mask requirements/closings/etc will remain in place. There's just not a lot of incentive to be first in line, even more so if you're not in an at risk group.

IF, after getting the vaccine, I can stop wearing mask completely, in shops, buses, everywhere; and I can go to shops, post offices, etc, after 10am, then I MAY reconsider.
Vesko Vukovic 1 | 213
13 Dec 2020 #3,949
news.abs-cbn.com/overseas/12/12/20/peru-suspends-clinical-trials-of-chinese-covid-19-vaccine

A woman in Peru became paralyzed from the waist down after she was injected with the Chinese vaccine.
cms neuf 1 | 1,852
13 Dec 2020 #3,950
Why does it have to take until fall ? It can be done much more quickly with proper efforts to fix the constraints
Crow 146 | 9,113
13 Dec 2020 #3,951
A woman in Peru became paralyzed

Well, its the biological war out there. It may be vaccine or somebody sabotaged vaccine. But in any case people needs to suffer and die in biological war.
johnny reb 28 | 5,306
13 Dec 2020 #3,952
When a vaccine is 95 percent effective, everyone who gets it assumes they are in the 95 percent.
No one thinks they are in the 5 percent, but 5 out of every 100 people are. :-o
delphiandomine 88 | 18,858
13 Dec 2020 #3,953
From the trials, it's clear that even if you're in the 5%, the illness is likely to be considerably less severe than if you weren't vaccinated.

Why does it have to take until fall ?

It's a form of bribery. If you cut doctors out of the loop, they may not agree to use their clinics in the first place.

For me, it's completely insane that pharmacists can't be trained to administer injections. The UK is able to train qualified medical workers to inject people with a half day course FFS :/
Crnogorac3 2 | 360
13 Dec 2020 #3,954
They are giving it to humans while they haven't given it to mice.

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As this chart shows it takes years to properly develop a vaccine.
johnny reb 28 | 5,306
13 Dec 2020 #3,955
From the trials, it's clear

Do you have any sources for that ?
Please direct me to them as I haven't seen them yet ?
I knew they said that about the flu vaccine but I don't know how they could confirm that yet with the Covid vaccine.

The reason I question you delf is because of so many unknowns yet.
I do know that among the unknowns are to what extent does the vaccine prevent infection vs. simply preventing clinical illness ?
Can a vaccinated person who becomes infected, but not sick, transmit the virus to someone else ?
Another unknown: How long will the protective effect of the vaccine last ?
delphiandomine 88 | 18,858
13 Dec 2020 #3,956
As this chart shows it takes years to properly develop a vaccine.

Because they don't have the promise of billions of dollars in guaranteed sales. If every vaccine had the financial backing that this one does, they would be developed far quicker.

Johnny - the US FDA announced it a few days ago: nbcnews.com/health/health-news/fda-pfizer-s-covid-19-vaccine-safe-effective-after-one-n1250337

Your FDA is pretty reliable - I'd trust them.
cms neuf 1 | 1,852
13 Dec 2020 #3,957
If the govt can make laws to close pubs then they can make laws to open clinics and requisition them if needed.

Failing that then do it in vaccine lorries like the rabies ones we used to have. In the US they are doing them in Walmart.

If the public health system can only do it by autumn that is a gap that the market will fill - maybe it won't just be abortions that people travel to Czech for
delphiandomine 88 | 18,858
13 Dec 2020 #3,958
Failing that then do it in vaccine lorries

It goes back to organisation. All they need to do is demand self declaration that you're healthy and voila, jab and go. But as you need to be examined by a doctor first, it's a tremendous bottleneck.

The UK and US will be way ahead of Europe because they understand that giving an injection doesn't require anything other than a signature and a nurse.
johnny reb 28 | 5,306
13 Dec 2020 #3,959
My question was to your following claim delf.

From the trials, it's clear that if you're in the 5%, the illness is likely to be considerably less severe than if you weren't vaccinated.

Direct me to your source on that claim as that is news to me.

Johnny - the US FDA announced it a few days ago:

Nope, you are wrong on that claim too..

Pfizer's chief executive has said that it could have 30 to 40 million doses of the vaccine before the end of the year, enough for 15 to 20 million people to get an initial shot and a booster three weeks later.

Published six days ago.

nytimes.com/live/2020/pfizer-covid-19-vaccine

Your source delf said the following.

nbcnews.com/health/health-news/fda-pfizer-s-covid-19-vaccine-safe-effective-after-one-n1250337

It stated in big bold letters right at the top of the page, "Experts are happy about the early protection, but still stress the importance of getting both doses."

Now regarding your other original claim that you so cleverly side stepped with a re-direct.

From the trials, it's clear even if you're in the 5%, the illness is likely to be considerably less severe than if you weren't vaccinated.

Sources please......
kondzior 12 | 1,200
14 Dec 2020 #3,960
My question was to your following claim delf.

Good luck with explaining something to Delphy. It's about as effective as telling Indians to p00 in a loo, or Chinamen to stop eating disgusting sh!t in order to stop spreading viruses. They aren't learning animals.


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