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cms neuf - | 1,589
14 Mar 2020 #361
All normal medical appointments are cancelled - that is insane and will kill many more people
pawian 170 | 11,349
14 Mar 2020 #362
Yes, and planned surgeries too. Thank you, PiS, for taking good care of medical care system since 2015.
cms neuf - | 1,589
14 Mar 2020 #363
Well it was never in great shape even before PiS.

But this is an extremely poor decision and not thought through at all
mafketis 23 | 8,404
14 Mar 2020 #364
Well it was never in great shape even before PiS.

And PiS apologists kept insisting that it would get around to improving it.... someday after the next election...

At this point I'm not criticizing the measures they've taken with the virus in the last week or so.

huge amount of the govt income coming from VAT then restricting activity is going to cause a big cash problem

I think deficit spending is going to be the order of the day all across Europe.... the closer fiscal discipline is adhered to the more people will die and the more economic wreckage afterward....
pawian 170 | 11,349
14 Mar 2020 #365
Well it was never in great shape even before PiS.

Yes, it had been neglected for years, but they have had 5 years to do sth about it and they wasted all this time because it is even worse than before 2015.

Thank you, PiS.
gumishu 11 | 5,191
14 Mar 2020 #366
thank you PO + PSL for VAT gap and the most expensive motorways in Europe
cms neuf - | 1,589
14 Mar 2020 #367
But deficit spending relies on finding people to buy your bonds.

Any takers for some Polish govt obligacja at the moment ? - there will be some but less than normal.

I'm not criticizing a short ban on pubs parties and sports. I am criticizing cancelling normal surgeries and forcing people into unnecessary queuing.
pawian 170 | 11,349
14 Mar 2020 #368
thank you PO + PSL for VAT gap and the most expensive motorways in Europe

But you claimed that PiS managed to get rid of the gap. So, they had the money. So, who`s to blame for current medical care catastrophy in Poland? PiS coz instead of improving the system, they wasted the resources on useless benefits.
gumishu 11 | 5,191
14 Mar 2020 #369
But you claimed that allegedly PiS managed to get rid of the gap

the money that was gained through increased VAT was diverted into 500+ - do you think people with children are not better off thanks to 500+
pawian 170 | 11,349
14 Mar 2020 #370
Mr Gumi Manipulator, we are talking about medical care condition in this thread, not the benefits of 500 + benefit. Stop diverting the topic.
Now we will see how 500+ benefit fights the virus successfully. Good luck!

PS. My wife has just returned from our local supermarket. There is no bread at all, only buns baked on the premises are available. It means either people buy in advance or the supply chains are breaking down.

Shyt!
johnny reb 23 | 4,518
14 Mar 2020 #371
They are buying in advance and freezing it for dooms day.
Bread is horrible for you anyways so you are doing yourself a favor by not buying it.
This panic has become outrageous with the nervous Nellies.

I survived the 90's Madcow,
01 the Anthrax
02 the West Nile virus
03 the Sars virus
05 the Bird flu
06 the Ecoli
09 the Swine flu (H1N1)
14 the Ebola
16 the Zika virus
and I will survive the 20 Chinese virus.

Have you people no faith at all ?
pawian 170 | 11,349
14 Mar 2020 #372
Bread is horrible for you anyways so you are doing yourself a favor by not buying it.

I heard bread is only harmful for swans and ducks.
Cargo pants 2 | 476
14 Mar 2020 #373
Freakin Warsaw is empty and starsz checked me why I was out and took my details.such a beautiful day here without bike ride,freaking sad.Sunny 41 and no wind.
jon357 63 | 15,214
14 Mar 2020 #374
medical care condition in this thread, not the benefits of 500 + benefit. Stop diverting the topic.

Exactly.

My wife has just returned from our local supermarket.

In our nearest Biedronka, almost everything worth buying is gone. Plenty of chocolate, instant coffee, cake mixes, but not much veg, no meat, no basic fish. The staff were getting quite nasty, even aggressive; it looks like they'd been swamped with panic buyers earlier in the morning and were having a difficult day.

Fortunately, all the horrible Polish 'yellow cheese' had been bought, and the decent stuff, cheddar, parmesan etc. was still there.

Plenty of vodka, but oddly enough all the gin had been bought...

I survived

That's the right attitude.
Atch 17 | 3,224
14 Mar 2020 #375
Sunny 41 and no wind.

Don't know what part of Warsaw you're in but it's bloody windy where I am and has been for the last couple of days,intermittently sunny but a few snow showers.

do you think people with children are not better off thanks to 500+

They and all of us would be far better off if that money had been put into improving services such as healthcare.
dolnoslask 5 | 2,871
14 Mar 2020 #376
Just been out shopping with the wifey, the shelves are full again especially uht milk which you couldn't get yesterday, plus tons of sacks of potatoes.

Also the local village shop is full of product which seems to go against what is being said elsewhere , maybe it is because people where I live are not very well off and cannot afford to to stock up.

Funny thing I swear that poles in the shops were keeping an extra distance from me and the wife because we were talking in English , usually we just get strange looks from the local beetroots, but this trip was different .
jon357 63 | 15,214
14 Mar 2020 #377
we were talking in English

We only talk in Polish, though we both obviously have foreign accents; all week I've noticed odd looks. Usually from people looking ill and trying not to cough...

Also the local village shop is full of produce

Population density/supply chain might be a part of that; plus of course people in the villages often have their own produce or at least a source for it.
pawian 170 | 11,349
14 Mar 2020 #378
The staff were getting quite nasty, even aggressive;

Yesterday while shopping I witnessed how two staff females had a nasty exchange. Never seen it before.
jon357 63 | 15,214
14 Mar 2020 #379
Same here; until today. Looks like they'd had a difficult morning.

A friend in Śródmieście says that the shops there are better stocked than out here in the 'burbs.
Cargo pants 2 | 476
14 Mar 2020 #380
Yes Jon they were.I didnt find anything missing except very few shoppers in the Carrfour by me.
jon357 63 | 15,214
14 Mar 2020 #382
they were

This is good. Worth keeping plenty of food in anyway; especially as we don't yet know how this will progress.

It's possible that the virus will pass without too much damage; if that happens, at least people will have full larders.
pawian 170 | 11,349
14 Mar 2020 #383
You are an optimist.
cms neuf - | 1,589
14 Mar 2020 #384
The panic buying will calm down -quite a lot of people get paid on the 10th and they will have run out f cash by the end of the weekend. Most supermarkets will run on a 3-4 day stock cycle for bread and fresh stuff.

PiS tried to ban not only Sunday trading but also letting retailers operate their warehouses on Sunday - not sure what happened in the end but it sure would be a good idea to get those warehouses moving tomorrow.

The virus is nothing to do with PiS but some of the chaos of this response has their fingerprints all over it.
jon357 63 | 15,214
14 Mar 2020 #385
The panic buying will calm down

It seems to be localised; some areas are less affected than others. In downtown Warsaw, even hairdressers are still open today.

The virus is nothing to do with PiS but some of the chaos of this response has their fingerprints all over it.

Hard to blame any government; this is very new and they have to think about several things: health, food supply, and public order above all.
delphiandomine 85 | 18,266
14 Mar 2020 #386
There is no bread at all

I went shopping at 6am this morning, and it was full on panic buying from people. I saw one guy with six large loaves, and a lot of people with trollies filled with garbage.

Meanwhile, the good stuff (fish, salmon, chickpeas, couscous, more exotic vegetables, etc) was completely ignored.

People are also behaving like animals - I went to the bakery to get bread, and some woman started pushing and shoving me from behind because I was leaving a normal amount of space between me and the people in front.
dolnoslask 5 | 2,871
14 Mar 2020 #387
pushing and shoving me from behind because

Happens here all the time (no manners) just turn around and cough in her face.
AntV 2 | 192
14 Mar 2020 #388
pushing and shoving me from behind because I was leaving a normal amount of space between me and the people in front.

I thought that was normal operating procedure in Poland.

I wish I had a crate full of toilet paper, I'd be able to retire after selling that stuff on the black market.
dolnoslask 5 | 2,871
14 Mar 2020 #389
I have a question, the current travel ban allows "Polish Citizens" to enter Poland as long as they quarantine, my question is will they let Polish residents back in , ie expats who reside in Poland but went out shopping to Germany for the day ?.
Paulwiz 1 | 70
14 Mar 2020 #390
In the words of Rudyard Kipling:
If you can keep your wits about you while all others are losing theirs, and blaming you. The world will be yours and everything in it, what's more, you'll be a man, my son.

Breathe deeply. Consider:
1) This "crisis" has all the signs of being manufactured. In the US we have had less than 40 deaths, most in a senior assisted living center.

2) If you remember Y2K, you can see how much people love to panic. Of course the press loves a good panic too.
3) Facts are your friend. Not the press. Not the government. And if the facts come from the press or the government, question them. Everyone will tell you that this virus has a death rate 10 times the seasonal flu. How do 'they' know since so many 'victims' are asymptomatic?

4) We did none of this for Swine Flu. What is different other than the narrative we are being fed?


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