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Bratwurst Boy 9 | 10,632
10 Nov 2020 #3,691
If President Trump would have created the vaccine a month sooner

Seriously? Trump had a chance at creating the vaccine?
mafketis 24 | 9,384
10 Nov 2020 #3,692
700 zloty

So where are you going to retire to? The French Riviera? The Caribbean?
Vincent 9 | 874 Moderator
10 Nov 2020 #3,693
Seriously? Trump had a chance at creating the vaccine?

No he didn't create the vaccine of course, but he should have some credit for pushing for it. The FDA, the bias media and "big tech" etc. didn't want to announce this break through a few days before the election, I mean voters might think DJT was a good president or something.
Bratwurst Boy 9 | 10,632
10 Nov 2020 #3,694
but he should have some credit for pushing for it

Why? Didn't he ignore, talk down, even deny the virus for the longest time? I don't remember him exactly pushing for a vaccine...rather mocking the real "pushers"!

I mean, if he supported the companies working on that in any way maybe....did he?

BioNTech to Receive up to €375M in Funding from German Federal Ministry of Education and Research to Support COVID-19 Vaccine Program BNT162

The German Federal Ministry of Education and Research (BMBF) COVID-19 initiative supports accelerated vaccine development, as well as upscaling of manufacturing capabilities in Germany


investors.biontech.de/news-releases/news-release-details/biontech-receive-eu375m-funding-german-federal-ministry
Tacitus 2 | 1,237
10 Nov 2020 #3,695
Looks like money well spend to me. Not only because of the importance of a vaccine, but also because said company - if succesful - might become a new big player in the field, with a lot of new jobs and tax revenue as consequences.
johnny reb 28 | 5,323
10 Nov 2020 #3,696
the bias media and "big tech" etc. didn't want to announce this break through a few days before the election,

And now they are not reporting all the 'glitches' that have been confirmed in the voting machines in favor of Biden.
Take this one for an example:

thegatewaypundit.com/2020/11/captured-real-time-moment-virginia-
Vincent 9 | 874 Moderator
10 Nov 2020 #3,697
I mean, if he supported the companies working on that in any way maybe....did he?

In March (on Trumps watch) the HHS give almost half a billion dollars to Johnson & Johnson and Moderna and $1.2 billion to AstraZeneca. Pfizer used their own money, but struck a $1.95 billion contract with the U.S. government to provide 100 million doses. I would say a good incentive to push on.

Why? Didn't he ignore, talk down, even deny the virus for the longest time?

Trump also said there would be a vaccine around the time of the election, so I don't think he ruled out the virus.
Bratwurst Boy 9 | 10,632
10 Nov 2020 #3,698
Actual situation:

Most promising vaccines in development

interactive.guim.co.uk/uploader/embed/2020/11/vaccines_table/giv-3902qhdoEEV6CyJB/
amiga500 2 | 223
11 Nov 2020 #3,699
thats a rubbish table this one is much better the-scientist.com/news-opinion/covid-19-vaccine-frontrunners-67382?utm_content=142106450&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook&hss_channel=fbp-212009668822281&fbclid=IwAR2aOlIiQvIuZ2fw9kjmSVBoiB2GDfu2iHiDMJjhFBFaUbcbwq7O8AhqzDc
PolAmKrakow 1 | 590
11 Nov 2020 #3,700
@Vincent
No, he just ignored the warnings he got that the virus was coming months before it arrived in the USA. Had he acted like a real leader and slammed the borders shut like he has done for immigration, the virus would have been a story along the lines of New Zealand for the USA and not the disaster it is now.
Bratwurst Boy 9 | 10,632
11 Nov 2020 #3,701
To be fair...the US isn't an island like New Zealand!
PolAmKrakow 1 | 590
11 Nov 2020 #3,702
@Bratwurst Boy
Yes, physically speaking it is not. But since closing the Mexican and Canadian borders it is in theory and in practice on an island. The country could have been closed much early nearly preventing all of this for the USA. Calling people back to USA from around the world in March was a disastrous!! Who ever gave that advice should be set on a firing line. Particularly when the strain of COVID in most cases came from Europe. No one wants to talk about that though.
Vincent 9 | 874 Moderator
11 Nov 2020 #3,703
he just ignored the warnings he got that the virus was coming months before it arrived

As did nearly all leaders from nearly all countries in the world.

The country could have been closed much early nearly preventing all of this

Again nearly all countries in the world should have closed down earlier. Trouble was, it was a new virus and not a lot was known about it. Fair play to trump kicking the WHO into touch. What a waste of time they are.
johnny reb 28 | 5,323
11 Nov 2020 #3,704
You bet they are and then they ponied up with China and that is why Trump pulled out of the WHO and cut all funding BUT GUESS WHAT !

Slow Joe Biden said one of his first stroke of the pen was to re-join the WHO and start funding them with $Millions$ again !!!!!!
Forest Gump's Mama always use to say, "Stupid is as stupicd does".
PolAmKrakow 1 | 590
11 Nov 2020 #3,705
@Vincent
And now you are making excuses for Trump. Just because others missed it doesnt mean the USA is ok to miss it. The World has been watching the death spiral of democracy under this President, and the world has watched the complete failure to lead when he could have become the greatest modern President in history. But no. HE failed, and he failed all American people. He failed to lead the world too. Everyone knew the virus was going to devastate by the end of January, all news reports including FOX verify this. So please, lets just walk away from the excuse making.

Poland at least handled it well in the spring, then they stopped. Even when they knew what was happening in the countryside, PiS did nothing. They failed to prepare, and they now look no better than Trump. Only Polands economy will take much longer to recover this time than the USA will.
Vincent 9 | 874 Moderator
11 Nov 2020 #3,706
Everyone knew the virus was going to devastate by the end of January

Everyone except the WHO it seems. Perhaps Biden would be better off funding Fox News instead the WHO as you seem to think they know better than the medical world and the scientists.
johnny reb 28 | 5,323
11 Nov 2020 #3,707
Easy to point fingers and be judgmental.
Trump tried to shut down flights and finally did after getting a raft of sht from Biden and mob that Trump was a racist for shutting down flights from China.

REMEMBER ????
It would have been ten times as bad if joey would have been in charge.
PolAmKrakow 1 | 590
11 Nov 2020 #3,708
Lets stop making excuses. Trump never cared or bowed down to the left. He never had to with the senate in his corner. He screwed up because his ego got in the way. He thought he knew better. The WHO is not really the leading edge of response. He got the warnings from his own people.

Joe would have made a national mask order that people would have fought. It wouldn't have worked, but it would have slowed things a bit more. Either way old people die. All the "if's" in the universe wont change the election.

The point is, Trump wont own his mistakes. That's the problem I have with him. I don't care if he is a racist, or anti gay or anything else. I care about that he is a spoiled little brat who cant admit mistakes and then throws an immature tantrum when he screws up or looses and election. Its always everyone else's fault. Real leaders take responsibility, good or bad.

The point of this thread is coronavirus. And in Poland, they did nothing to prepare for what the whole world knew was coming in the summer. They had red zones in july and they did nothing. PiS failed the people. They killed their constituents, and that is what really happened on the ground, it can be seen with new grave markers in every city. The old are dying in mass numbers because PiS was focused on Policy and not People.
OP Braveheart16 18 | 253
11 Nov 2020 #3,709
PolAmKrakow - The old are dying in mass numbers because PiS was focused on Policy and not People.

I entirely agree with your opinions on this....and yes this thread is about coronavirus in Poland and not USA politics..... PIS took their eye off the ball and became complacent which has now resulted in the dramatic spread of infections...a record breaking 25,000+ people infected in the last day or so....this was the figure experienced in the UK except the UK has a population of about 63 million and Poland 38 million....Now PIS are frantically backpeddling to remedy the situation but I suspect it will be too late to make any meaningful impact on things....still at least they were able to change the abortion law, which was so much more important.....!
Tacitus 2 | 1,237
11 Nov 2020 #3,710
How is the situation in Poland, do you still have enough ICU to treat every patient, or are your doctors already forced to select patients for treatment?

Also, there has been an article claiming that the head of the regional province of Mazovia has asked the head of the German region of Brandenburg for assistance, but was oberruled from Warsaw. Is there any truth to that?
mafketis 24 | 9,384
11 Nov 2020 #3,711
Short story: number of beds and respirators has barely stayed ahead of need (according to govt figures, so.....hmmmmm).

The increase of hospitalizations and fatalities (most important metrics) seem to have started to plateau (knock on wood) still going up but at a steady rate (and hospitalization rates have fallen a day or two in the last week) - it's nothing like the exponential growth predicted everywhere...
kondzior 12 | 1,200
11 Nov 2020 #3,712
The Pfizer vaccine PR stunt just shows how completely retarded (or evil?) our main stream media is nowadays.
The endpoints for the trail are very weak, and in my opinion vitamin D works much better and is already available.

bmj.com/content/371/bmj.m4037

Quote:
Peter Hotez, dean of the National School of Tropical Medicine at Baylor College of Medicine in Houston, said, "Ideally, you want an antiviral vaccine to do two things . . . first, reduce the likelihood you will get severely ill and go to the hospital, and two, prevent infection and therefore interrupt disease transmission."7

Yet the current phase III trials are not actually set up to prove either (table 1). None of the trials currently under way are designed to detect a reduction in any serious outcome such as hospital admissions, use of intensive care, or deaths. Nor are the vaccines being studied to determine whether they can interrupt transmission of the virus.

Atch 17 | 3,427
12 Nov 2020 #3,713
our main stream media

You mean American media. European media on the whole tends to present a more objective and less simplistic view. All the sources I've read have urged caution about the vaccine and quoted various experts in the field who warn that the Pfizer vaccine does not mean the end of the pandemic.
Spike31 2 | 2,110
12 Nov 2020 #3,714
European media on the whole tends to present a more objective and less simplistic view.

[Western] European mainstream media are dominated by a left-leaning narrative and are far from "objective". The only difference between them is how eagerly they are pushing it.

Those who push it slowly and carefully are considered to be "conservative" media.
Those who don't want to push it but don't openly attack neo marxism are considered "far-right".
Those who (God forbid) are against it and are effectively fighting it are simply "fascists" and "nazis"
cms neuf 1 | 1,852
12 Nov 2020 #3,715
But those are private companies - they are producing content that reflects their viewers and readers political stance. You can of course start right wing channels and in the US these have been quite successful - nothing to stop you doing that in Europe. Poland has plenty of right wing TV, radio and newspapers.

People are sick of you tight t-shirt boys moaning about the media. Start your own TV stations and watch them as much as you want,
Spike31 2 | 2,110
12 Nov 2020 #3,716
@cmf neuf, yes I did help (volunteered) to create a few right-wing conservative Polish info portals. It was done with limited resources and with a team of real enthusiasts. One of them is getting some good traffic and I'm happy to see them grow.

Right-wing and Libertarian-Conservatism are both very strong in Polish-speaking internet which is reflected in strong support for Konfederacja among young voters in Poland.
cms neuf 1 | 1,852
12 Nov 2020 #3,717
Fair enough :) I hope it goes well
pawian 176 | 14,299
12 Nov 2020 #3,718
which is reflected in strong support for Konfederacja among young voters in Poland.

Which is plummeting after Women`s Protests. By going hand in hand with PiS over abortion issue, they lost many potential voters, not only females. Before protests, they had had 8%, now it is below 5%.
delphiandomine 88 | 18,858
12 Nov 2020 #3,719
Which is plummeting after Women`s Protests.

Yup, they're in freefall. The way that their leaders went missing after the judgement of the TK says it all.

Right-wing and Libertarian-Conservatism are both very strong in Polish-speaking internet

Not really. They have lots of portals and bots on Twitter, but they generally don't have much presence beyond the usual Konfederacja supporters making ridiculous claims of 20-30% support.

alexa.com/topsites/countries/PL

Gazeta.pl, onet, etc are all ranked highly there. Right wing portals are nowhere.
Lazarus 1 | 115
12 Nov 2020 #3,720
Yup, they're in freefall.

Did you see that TVP is blaming them for the violence in Warsaw yesterday?


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