Coronavirus in Poland

You cannot keep immunity for very long (three months), making herd immunity impossible.

It's such bullshit.... shut down the whole country, destroy the economy, eliminate tons of freedoms just because some old and sick people are croaking from a flu...

I can deal with the wearing masks indoors, but banning gatherings, parties, restaurants, bars, and telling me how many people I can have in my own house? No fuckin way...

where did you get if from?

I was told the same when I got my anti bodies test by the lab.I wish I had had it but it came out negative so far,

if this is true we will never get rid of the virus (and it would mean vaccines would not be effective long time)

So, full lockdown again.

Don't know what it will solve, but it will finish off quite a few businesses.

Today's numbers really bad - 350 deaths and 24.000 cases though I think some catch up counting from the weekend ?

They probably won't carry it on for very long. Two or three weeks I would imagine and then try to lift it to let businesses get some seasonal trade in December.

Wednesday has been a peak day of the week so some of that is definitely catch up, that's why putting too much faith in daily numbers isn't a good idea.... rolling averages give you a much better picture.

Lockdowns are not a good idea, on tvn24 there was a mention that something like 60% of restaurants in Portugal are on the edge of bankruptcy.

No governments, neither national or supranational (comme par example le EU) has had anything remotely like a good idea on how to deal with the economic disruption caused by covid so there's probably going to be more austerity and continent wide depression....

Interesting.... a friend of mine is in healthcare administration self-government and they've been told to start collecting the names of personnel who can be 'drafted' into anti-pandemic work (those who are inactive but still have qualifications and the like and those who can be transferred from low activity areas....).

It's not clear yet if they will be used, but... the groundwork is being laid....

No, people can still leave home for other reasons than work or shopping.

The mistake was the first lockdown - too long and too intense. Good businesses were able to ride it out but by using up all their goodwill and spare cash. Now they have nothing left in the tank for this one.

Yes austerity is the inevitable result.

I saw a forecast of 100.000 cases a day - probably hype but if we were able to do that amount of testing why not take the Slovak approach and test everyone ?

They tried that before, in the first wave and loads of them didn't turn up for duty. Got sick notes and so on and came up with various reasons why they couldnt' do it. Why don't they do what Ireland did. We did a 'Be on Call for Ireland' and asked people to volunteer and Irish medical professionals to come home from abroad, which they did. Btw did you see that Germany offered help but PIS turned it down and said they don't need it!


I'm not so sure. I saw projections on the data site that I visit, during the summer which predicted 6,000 deaths by December if the existing trends continued and in fact we're going to surpass that. Incidentally the projections now are for about 32,000 deaths by Feburary.

That's a good idea, however sadly I don't see the same sense of community spirit here that exists in Ireland and the UK.


In a sense, there wasn't so much of a first wave, perhaps thats among the reasons that cases are rocketing here right now. Personally, I'm worried about the Jan-March 2021 period.

Yes, they don`t need it cos they have their own government hospitals for the elite. That people might need it is less important - rightards don`t accept help from their enemies!!!

Thank you, PiS. I hope it will be remembered by your voters.

Honestly I am laughing watching this disaster. PiS knew this was coming. The whole world knew this was coming. PiS did nothing to prepare. Even with numbers rising in September they did nothing. Now, its too late. This is going to be like Italy was in March. The old are going to die by the masses. Couple this with citizens who will continue to protest and refuse to observe more restrictions and PiS is going down in flames. They didnt go full lockdown because they know it wouldnt happen. They dont have enough jail cells to lock up everyone who will resist this. Really, the level of incompetence is astounding.

It is, and incompetence is the only explanation.

A conspiracy theorist may well suggest however that they care less about urban non-PiS-voting citizens than their core rural electorate who will be less affected.

some vague statements on the part of Steinmeyer and some vague replies from Duda, that's it - hardly a case of either an offer or rejection

except Polish opposition who claimed in April that the pandemia would be over by September -

tvp.info/50378257/koronawirus-borys-budka-w-kwietniu-epidemia-skonczy-sie-mniej-wiecej-jesienia-wieszwiecej

What opposition politicians say or don't say is by the by.

What the party in office who have decision-making power actually do is everything.

And PiS have done scant little this autumn.

Why are you lying so blatantly??? Czechia already got 100 ventillators from Germany. Did you read that yesterday there was not a single vacant ventillator in Warsaw region for a few hours?

I see you have come back to your fav role here - stinking liar. :(:(:(

Or you didn`t know about it coz you are residing abroad, like all rightards here.
onet.pl/informacje/onetwiadomosci/polska-nie-jest-zainteresowana-niemiecka-oferta-pomocy-w-walce-z-koronawirusem/sd3602d,79cfc278

Then it is enough when you apologise for your silly mistake.

It got burned out of people during the PRL..... communism and socialism make people very anti-social....

no, maf and jon, Poles are too individually-oriented to develop the community spirit. That is our national trait - one might argue if it is good or bad but it won`t change anything - the best advice is to just take it or leave it, there is no other option.

More likely it never existed before. Georg Mikes (who last visited Poland in 1938 or 9) wrote about this.


People who grew up in the PRL say otherwise.

I dunno in the last months of 2019 I noticed that shopping in the neighborhood had become a much more pleasant experience than it ever had before, people were just generally nicer so it was a series of pleasant (if banal) encounters rather than the previous multi-directional low grade hostility of shoppers against each other and employees against all.

Affluence tends to soften and improve social relations while enforced shortages (the only way socialism can operate - or at least the only way it ever has operated) makes people nastier and more hostile to others...

Most of non-family social life was absorbed by the state in the PRL (not entirely the case in some neighboring countries) and when the PRL ended so did any kind of civic life....

@jon357
PiS problem is that its not killing the young people in the cities. Young people are recovering, PiS are sying.
It is killing people in their strongholds, like Nowy Sacz, and southern rural Poland.

@gumishu
TVP? LAMO your funny. PiS came out and touted their defeat of the virus as a re-election tool. PiS is incompetent, and simply not intelligent zealots who have no business being in power.

Really? Then they are well and truly fvcked at the next election. They've an ageing and declining electoral base anyway.

I don't know - for 5-6 years now we are seeing the same - right wing idiots have loyal and very well organized voters and are good at getting their message accross. I imagine there will be a strong right wing party for many decades to come in Poland.

Of course they are not so good at running the country.

In time, things change. Demographic change as well as cynicism about a regime and its methods. Hopefully PiS will decline. Poland tends to follow others in term of trends and opinions. And of course a new political figure could well emerge.


Quite. And meanwhile we're sadly stuck with their mismanagement and corruption.

if that was the case the so called 'abortion compromise' would be long gone by now


some German official (Michael Roth) said something on twitter and you qualify it as an official help offer (it's as if Polish politicians follow German ministers on twitter)

also Duda was ill with corona virus when Steinmayer send him the letter offering help to Poland

Still manipulating?? hahaha Did Czechs get 100 ventillators from Germany? Yes. Did Poland get any? No. Why? Coz PiS didn`t want them.

When will you stop lying?