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tesco
2 Nov 2020 #3,601
now they are aiming at developing herd immunity

You cannot keep immunity for very long (three months), making herd immunity impossible.
Dirk diggler 9 | 4,721
2 Nov 2020 #3,602
PS: stay at home, keep the distance, don't visit your grandma, don't hug....Thank you for your cooperation, citizens of the new normality.

It's such bullshit.... shut down the whole country, destroy the economy, eliminate tons of freedoms just because some old and sick people are croaking from a flu...

I can deal with the wearing masks indoors, but banning gatherings, parties, restaurants, bars, and telling me how many people I can have in my own house? No fuckin way...
gumishu 11 | 5,605
2 Nov 2020 #3,603
You cannot keep immunity for very long (three months),

where did you get if from?
Cargo pants 2 | 865
2 Nov 2020 #3,604
I was told the same when I got my anti bodies test by the lab.I wish I had had it but it came out negative so far,
gumishu 11 | 5,605
2 Nov 2020 #3,605
I was told the same when I got my anti bodies test by the lab.

if this is true we will never get rid of the virus (and it would mean vaccines would not be effective long time)
cms neuf 1 | 1,852
4 Nov 2020 #3,606
So, full lockdown again.

Don't know what it will solve, but it will finish off quite a few businesses.

Today's numbers really bad - 350 deaths and 24.000 cases though I think some catch up counting from the weekend ?
Atch 17 | 3,427
4 Nov 2020 #3,607
They probably won't carry it on for very long. Two or three weeks I would imagine and then try to lift it to let businesses get some seasonal trade in December.
mafketis 24 | 9,385
4 Nov 2020 #3,608
I think some catch up counting from the weekend ?

Wednesday has been a peak day of the week so some of that is definitely catch up, that's why putting too much faith in daily numbers isn't a good idea.... rolling averages give you a much better picture.

Lockdowns are not a good idea, on tvn24 there was a mention that something like 60% of restaurants in Portugal are on the edge of bankruptcy.

No governments, neither national or supranational (comme par example le EU) has had anything remotely like a good idea on how to deal with the economic disruption caused by covid so there's probably going to be more austerity and continent wide depression....
mafketis 24 | 9,385
4 Nov 2020 #3,609
Interesting.... a friend of mine is in healthcare administration self-government and they've been told to start collecting the names of personnel who can be 'drafted' into anti-pandemic work (those who are inactive but still have qualifications and the like and those who can be transferred from low activity areas....).

It's not clear yet if they will be used, but... the groundwork is being laid....
pawian 176 | 14,299
4 Nov 2020 #3,610
So, full lockdown again.

No, people can still leave home for other reasons than work or shopping.
cms neuf 1 | 1,852
4 Nov 2020 #3,611
The mistake was the first lockdown - too long and too intense. Good businesses were able to ride it out but by using up all their goodwill and spare cash. Now they have nothing left in the tank for this one.

Yes austerity is the inevitable result.

I saw a forecast of 100.000 cases a day - probably hype but if we were able to do that amount of testing why not take the Slovak approach and test everyone ?
Atch 17 | 3,427
4 Nov 2020 #3,612
the names of personnel who can be 'drafted' into anti-pandemic work

They tried that before, in the first wave and loads of them didn't turn up for duty. Got sick notes and so on and came up with various reasons why they couldnt' do it. Why don't they do what Ireland did. We did a 'Be on Call for Ireland' and asked people to volunteer and Irish medical professionals to come home from abroad, which they did. Btw did you see that Germany offered help but PIS turned it down and said they don't need it!

I saw a forecast of 100.000 cases a day - probably hype

I'm not so sure. I saw projections on the data site that I visit, during the summer which predicted 6,000 deaths by December if the existing trends continued and in fact we're going to surpass that. Incidentally the projections now are for about 32,000 deaths by Feburary.
jon357 66 | 17,068
4 Nov 2020 #3,613
Why don't they do what Ireland did.

That's a good idea, however sadly I don't see the same sense of community spirit here that exists in Ireland and the UK.

in the first wave

In a sense, there wasn't so much of a first wave, perhaps thats among the reasons that cases are rocketing here right now. Personally, I'm worried about the Jan-March 2021 period.
pawian 176 | 14,299
4 Nov 2020 #3,614
but PIS turned it down and said they don't need it!

Yes, they don`t need it cos they have their own government hospitals for the elite. That people might need it is less important - rightards don`t accept help from their enemies!!!

Thank you, PiS. I hope it will be remembered by your voters.
PolAmKrakow 1 | 590
4 Nov 2020 #3,615
Honestly I am laughing watching this disaster. PiS knew this was coming. The whole world knew this was coming. PiS did nothing to prepare. Even with numbers rising in September they did nothing. Now, its too late. This is going to be like Italy was in March. The old are going to die by the masses. Couple this with citizens who will continue to protest and refuse to observe more restrictions and PiS is going down in flames. They didnt go full lockdown because they know it wouldnt happen. They dont have enough jail cells to lock up everyone who will resist this. Really, the level of incompetence is astounding.
jon357 66 | 17,068
4 Nov 2020 #3,616
This is going to be like Italy was in March.

It is, and incompetence is the only explanation.

A conspiracy theorist may well suggest however that they care less about urban non-PiS-voting citizens than their core rural electorate who will be less affected.
gumishu 11 | 5,605
4 Nov 2020 #3,617
Btw did you see that Germany offered help but PIS turned it down and said they don't need it!

some vague statements on the part of Steinmeyer and some vague replies from Duda, that's it - hardly a case of either an offer or rejection
gumishu 11 | 5,605
4 Nov 2020 #3,618
The whole world knew this was coming

except Polish opposition who claimed in April that the pandemia would be over by September -

tvp.info/50378257/koronawirus-borys-budka-w-kwietniu-epidemia-skonczy-sie-mniej-wiecej-jesienia-wieszwiecej
jon357 66 | 17,068
4 Nov 2020 #3,619
Polish opposition who claimed

What opposition politicians say or don't say is by the by.

What the party in office who have decision-making power actually do is everything.

And PiS have done scant little this autumn.
pawian 176 | 14,299
4 Nov 2020 #3,620
some vague statements on part of Steinmeyer that's it - hardly a case of either an offer

Why are you lying so blatantly??? Czechia already got 100 ventillators from Germany. Did you read that yesterday there was not a single vacant ventillator in Warsaw region for a few hours?

I see you have come back to your fav role here - stinking liar. :(:(:(

Or you didn`t know about it coz you are residing abroad, like all rightards here.
onet.pl/informacje/onetwiadomosci/polska-nie-jest-zainteresowana-niemiecka-oferta-pomocy-w-walce-z-koronawirusem/sd3602d,79cfc278

Then it is enough when you apologise for your silly mistake.
mafketis 24 | 9,385
4 Nov 2020 #3,621
sadly I don't see the same sense of community spirit here that exists in Ireland and the U

It got burned out of people during the PRL..... communism and socialism make people very anti-social....
pawian 176 | 14,299
4 Nov 2020 #3,622
no, maf and jon, Poles are too individually-oriented to develop the community spirit. That is our national trait - one might argue if it is good or bad but it won`t change anything - the best advice is to just take it or leave it, there is no other option.
jon357 66 | 17,068
4 Nov 2020 #3,623
It got burned out of people during the PRL

More likely it never existed before. Georg Mikes (who last visited Poland in 1938 or 9) wrote about this.

communism and socialism

People who grew up in the PRL say otherwise.
mafketis 24 | 9,385
4 Nov 2020 #3,624
Poles are too individually-oriented to develop the community spirit

I dunno in the last months of 2019 I noticed that shopping in the neighborhood had become a much more pleasant experience than it ever had before, people were just generally nicer so it was a series of pleasant (if banal) encounters rather than the previous multi-directional low grade hostility of shoppers against each other and employees against all.

Affluence tends to soften and improve social relations while enforced shortages (the only way socialism can operate - or at least the only way it ever has operated) makes people nastier and more hostile to others...

Most of non-family social life was absorbed by the state in the PRL (not entirely the case in some neighboring countries) and when the PRL ended so did any kind of civic life....
PolAmKrakow 1 | 590
5 Nov 2020 #3,625
@jon357
PiS problem is that its not killing the young people in the cities. Young people are recovering, PiS are sying.
It is killing people in their strongholds, like Nowy Sacz, and southern rural Poland.

@gumishu
TVP? LAMO your funny. PiS came out and touted their defeat of the virus as a re-election tool. PiS is incompetent, and simply not intelligent zealots who have no business being in power.
jon357 66 | 17,068
5 Nov 2020 #3,626
Nowy Sacz

Really? Then they are well and truly fvcked at the next election. They've an ageing and declining electoral base anyway.
cms neuf 1 | 1,852
5 Nov 2020 #3,627
I don't know - for 5-6 years now we are seeing the same - right wing idiots have loyal and very well organized voters and are good at getting their message accross. I imagine there will be a strong right wing party for many decades to come in Poland.

Of course they are not so good at running the country.
jon357 66 | 17,068
5 Nov 2020 #3,628
for 5-6 years now we are seeing the same - right wing idiots

In time, things change. Demographic change as well as cynicism about a regime and its methods. Hopefully PiS will decline. Poland tends to follow others in term of trends and opinions. And of course a new political figure could well emerge.

Of course they are not so good at running the country.

Quite. And meanwhile we're sadly stuck with their mismanagement and corruption.
gumishu 11 | 5,605
5 Nov 2020 #3,629
Poland tends to follow others in term of trends and opinions.

if that was the case the so called 'abortion compromise' would be long gone by now

polska-nie-jest-zainteresowana-niemiecka-oferta-pomocy-w-walce-z-koronawirusem

some German official (Michael Roth) said something on twitter and you qualify it as an official help offer (it's as if Polish politicians follow German ministers on twitter)

also Duda was ill with corona virus when Steinmayer send him the letter offering help to Poland
pawian 176 | 14,299
5 Nov 2020 #3,630
some German official (Michael Roth) said something on twitter

Still manipulating?? hahaha Did Czechs get 100 ventillators from Germany? Yes. Did Poland get any? No. Why? Coz PiS didn`t want them.

When will you stop lying?


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