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gumishu 11 | 5,605
28 Oct 2020 #3,541
incompetent bunglers through and through

your so-very-competent PO leaders claimed in April that the pandemic will be over by September in an attempt to move presidential elections to an autumn date
mafketis 24 | 9,387
28 Oct 2020 #3,542
your so-very-competent PO leaders

not mine..... why aren't PiS people ever able to defend the stupid sh{t that PiS does, it's always but PO!!!! but PO!!! but Tusk!!!!!!

That's a juvenile and irrelevant argument.
gumishu 11 | 5,605
28 Oct 2020 #3,543
ever able to defend the stupid sh{t that PiS does,

I don't say PiS is not to blame - but to me it's not a blatant example of incompetence - we had the presidential election mobilisation (all hands on board) - then we had internal conflict in the coalition - also the government (and the population) were lulled by the relatively easy time Poland had in the first wave

also you cannot say that if the opposition parties were at the helm they would perform better (I wonder what experts gave PO the expertise that the pandemy will be over by September)
mafketis 24 | 9,387
28 Oct 2020 #3,544
we had the presidential election mobilisation (all hands on board)

I guess it wasn't easy to waste 70 million zloties....

I don't know if a different government would have done better, and I don't care because it's irrelevant to the massive incompetence that PiS has displayed.
gumishu 11 | 5,605
28 Oct 2020 #3,545
I guess it wasn't easy to waste 70 million zloties..

yeah like 70 million PLN spent on ballot cards for May compares to billions that vanished from the budgets because of VAT fraud in the time of PO-PSL
mafketis 24 | 9,387
28 Oct 2020 #3,546
There you go again..... see? Not even _you_ can make the case that PiS is competent and honest, it's all "PO TUSK look over there!"

What would PiS supporters do without being able to blame a party that hasn't been in power for 5 years... kind of a pathetic approach to life.
gumishu 11 | 5,605
28 Oct 2020 #3,547
PiS supporters do without being able

the money was wasted - indeed - but this is hardly corruption - PiS was willing to keep constitutional terms of election (May) and keeping the election safe - they didn't predict Gowin to go against them

to blame a party that hasn't been in power for 5 years

if you can't see pluses of the PiS government then I have no more questions (like: have you noticed the booming economy before the corona struck)
OP Braveheart16 18 | 254
28 Oct 2020 #3,548
I get the impression that the elections were rushed through by PIS whilst providing funding to those affected by Covid, because they knew that the virus would get worse and any popularity for PIS would drop considerably once people see a reduction in funding to those affected by the virus....its no good people saying that PIS had to comply with the constitution as that has always been the case.....the important point to remember is that these are extraordinary times which require extraordinary solutions which could have included delaying the elections until next year.....nothing is impossible....it just takes some creative thinking....
mafketis 24 | 9,387
28 Oct 2020 #3,549
the elections were rushed through by PIS

Totally, sources from inside the party were stressing that JK wanted to get them through so that he could relax for a couple of years without an election hanging over his head..... didn't quite work out that way.... (or more properly) without an election to worry about he was able to pursue his other goals which have been kind of disastrous for him and his party....
gumishu 11 | 5,605
28 Oct 2020 #3,550
he impression that the elections were rushed through by PIS whilst providing funding to those affected by Covid

yes it is indeed the case - what would you do - allow corrupt opposition to gain the upper hand again after postponing the election
jon357 66 | 17,078
28 Oct 2020 #3,551
corrupt opposition

In what way do you think the opposition are 'corrupt'?
gumishu 11 | 5,605
28 Oct 2020 #3,552
'corrupt'?

in ways related to finances - there were plenty of scandals involving PO-PSL and I am too lazy to name them all
jon357 66 | 17,078
28 Oct 2020 #3,553
scandals i

Mostly manufactured by PiS; not 'scandals' at all.

Although corruption abounds within PiS; especially regarding state appointments and real estate/construction crime.
pawian 176 | 14,299
28 Oct 2020 #3,554
there were plenty of scandals involving PO-PSL

Proofs, darling. So far, only Nowak is accused but the case is uncertain - it can be all PiS hoax.

Although corruption abounds within PiS

Yes, criminal rightards cry out: Catch the thief! and point to others.
gumishu 11 | 5,605
28 Oct 2020 #3,555
So far, only Nowak

you forget Stanisław Gawłowski, you forget Sławomir Neuman's tapes, you forget 'afera hazardowa' and Chlebowski, you forget the scandal around making Mecom sell their majority share in Rzeczpospolita, you forget hundreds of cases of public institutions over-spending on infrastructural project by agreeing on annexes to contracts etc etc etc nie che mi się
jon357 66 | 17,078
28 Oct 2020 #3,556
All of those are manufactured 'scandals' and nothing outside the normal course of political life.

Now PiS' mishandling of Covid...
OP Braveheart16 18 | 254
28 Oct 2020 #3,557
gumishu - allow corrupt opposition to gain the upper hand again

Well I am not too worried about any possible corruption, as I this is evident from all political parties and businesses to a certain extent and we just have to live with it....why would you think that the opposition would take control.....clearly if PIS had a strong following then they should not fear a postponed election...it sort of shows that they are worried about public opinion and this I am afraid smells like fear.....
pawian 176 | 14,299
28 Oct 2020 #3,558
you forget 'afera hazardowa' and Chlebowski,

ej ej ej not so fast! We are talking about the opposition, remember??? The opposition which has functioned since 2015

allow corrupt opposition to gain the upper hand

Proofs! Show us proofs and court verdicts of guilty! Not rightards` false accusations.

you forget hundreds of cases

You are lying, as usual. Eg.,.

you forget Stanisław Gawłowski

PiS had "persuaded" one guy to accuse Gawłowski - there are no proofs, only words. Another accuser withdrew his testimony, saying that prosecutors had forced it. So??? If I visit a prosecutor`s office tomorrow (and I know a few personally due to professional contacts) and tell them I gave a top PIS politician a bribe, will they charge him instantly with the crime???
gumishu 11 | 5,605
28 Oct 2020 #3,559
they are worried about public opinion and this I am afraid smells like fear.....

man we are talking about a country where a political party who delivered on about a half of their generous promises (and in certain fields even went further) received about 43 per cent of votes in the last parliamentary election - a country where no parties before ever bothered to fullfil their electoral promises - the people are either ungrateful or simply brainwashed - it is also a case of people who tend to see the glass is half empty and therefore complain and complain
gumishu 11 | 5,605
28 Oct 2020 #3,561
saying that prosecutors had forced it.

do you seriously believe it - how can prosecution force someone to testify against someone - they beat him?? - blackmailed him?

an update on Gawłowski case - polskieradio24.pl/5/1222/Artykul/2463813,Zeznania-biznesmena-obciazaja-Gawlowskiego-PO-zachowuje-sie-w-tej-sprawie-niejednoznacznie
jon357 66 | 17,078
28 Oct 2020 #3,562
testify against someon

About Covid?
gumishu 11 | 5,605
28 Oct 2020 #3,563
who delivered on about a half of their generous promises

in terms of money spent and things that make the economy tick PiS was the most generous and fullfilled the most and even went beyond what it promised (it promised 500 PLN for every child after the first child and it bested itself with 500+ for every child)
pawian 176 | 14,299
28 Oct 2020 #3,564
how can prosecution force someone to testify against someone

hahahaha gumi, stop playing stupid. The guy who accuses Gawłowski is charged with other crimes. They promised him to be lenient on it if he implicates Gawłowski.

Even the title of your article says it - there are no proofs - it is a word against a word.

Show me the verdict of guilty and then we can talk. Before it, you are simply lying and falsely accusing.
gumishu 11 | 5,605
28 Oct 2020 #3,565
there are no proofs - it is a word against a word.

I pretty much am sure that they will find proofs when the Urząd Skarbowy gets to Gawłowski's finances
OP Braveheart16 18 | 254
28 Oct 2020 #3,566
gumishu - (it promised 500 PLN for every child after the first child and it bested itself with 500+ for every child)

...and now that changes have been made to the abortion law, it would now seem that even more funding is necessary....
gumishu 11 | 5,605
28 Oct 2020 #3,567
there were around 1000 thousand of legal abortions yearly in Poland - even if the parents receive extra money for taking care of a disabled child (say 2000 PLN monthly) it would cost the state 24 million yearly (compared to over 20 billion PLN the government spends for 500+)
pawian 176 | 14,299
28 Oct 2020 #3,568
they will find proofs when the Urząd Skarbowy gets to Gawłowski's finances

Wishful thinking which only proves you first arrest a man and then start looking for proofs. That is a truly rightard method.
So, let me inform you they have already screened him and found nothing.
gumishu 11 | 5,605
28 Oct 2020 #3,569
compared to over 20 billion PLN

actually over 40 billion
OP Braveheart16 18 | 254
28 Oct 2020 #3,570
gumishu - it would cost the state 24 million yearly

How about spending this money instead on improving the health sector....hospital upgrades....training medical staff to look after Covid patients.....increasing pay for nurses and doctors.....you could do a lot with 24 million yearly......


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