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Coronavirus in Poland


Vincent 9 | 875 Moderator
18 Sep 2020 #3,181
Is he Indian

She was born in London, the daughter of refugees from Uganda. Looks like there will be a second lockdown for many countries coming soon.
pawian 176 | 14,299
18 Sep 2020 #3,182
She was born in London, the daughter of refugees from Uganda

Oops, that completely crashed my perception of that textbook for kids now.

. Looks like there will be a second lockdown for many countries coming soon.

Hmm, PiS government vows they won`t bring it back.
mafketis 24 | 9,387
18 Sep 2020 #3,183
Looks like there will be a second lockdown for many countries coming soon

Anything to keep people isolated and afraid?

Lockdowns don't work... which is why so many governments have h@rd-ons for them.
Vincent 9 | 875 Moderator
18 Sep 2020 #3,184
Lockdowns don't work

They might do if people respected them. Many don't, which is why a second wave is on its way. Poland seems to have dealt much better than other countries with the virus.
pawian 176 | 14,299
18 Sep 2020 #3,185
That is due to our exceptional unique unsurpassed outstanding gene pool of true Poles. All Polish patriots resist the virus! First to Fight!
Vincent 9 | 875 Moderator
18 Sep 2020 #3,186
I thought that might be the case:) I guess also that Poles don't have protests every weekend, with thousands ignoring social distancing, flocking to beaches, and having illegal parties with hundreds of people attending.
jon357 66 | 17,078
18 Sep 2020 #3,187
I guess also that Poles don't have protests every weekend

No, however there have certainly been plenty this year in Warsaw. It's as if they've appeared from nowhere.

It's as if Poland has barely been touched by it.

Nevertheless, bars, etc. are packed right now in Warsaw. It could yet happen.
mafketis 24 | 9,387
19 Sep 2020 #3,188
They might do if people respected them

the only legitimate purpose of the lockdown was to give the healthcare services a chance to get ready, it worked for that.

After that initial lockdown of 2-4 weeks lockdowns do more harm than good, especially since you can't just stop the economy and expect to pick up 2 or 6 months later.

Governments around the world have done nothing (or as close to nothing as makes no difference) for small businesses that have been devastated by lockdowns and until they are prepared for something massive... there's no purpose for a lockdown against a disease that turns out to be deadly almost entirely for the elderly and already very sick.... make it easier for the vulnerable to be safe and let it run its course through the general population is the only sane strategy.
cms neuf 1 | 1,852
19 Sep 2020 #3,189
Aren't we still waiting for the corona explosions that were going to happen after Majowka, after the schools opening, after the weddings etc ?

I agreee that resources should be spent on preparing treatment capacity.

I am just going to ignore any second lockdown. I kept my business going and it was one of the toughest things I ever did, with no support from the government. I won't do that again because nobody has presented any proof that lockdowns work.

Pawian - Patels parents were Asians expelled by the post colonial rulers of Uganda and Kenya. The Indians were shopkeepers and merchants there in the BritIsh empire times but went on to become doctors, lawyers, etc. They became easy scapegoats for other problems and left, mostly to the UK but also Canada, Australia etc and they have generally been very successful.
kondzior 12 | 1,200
19 Sep 2020 #3,190
Poland allowed children to go to school on daily study. Day 19.

I expect massive epidemic in 14-21 days

As of today over one thousand new cases. New record.
cms neuf 1 | 1,852
19 Sep 2020 #3,191
Is that a massive epidemic ?

At that rate then in one year it would still be less than 1 per event of Poles infected.

A typical single Biedronka store has about 1000 customers a day
johnny reb 28 | 5,329
19 Sep 2020 #3,192
that turns out to be deadly almost entirely for the elderly and already very sick....

Saving trillions to health care world wide.

let it run its course through the general population is the only sane strategy.

Thank you Bill Gates and the Bilderburg's in your clever way in your depopulation program of getting rid of the old and sick first.

Who's next ?
jon357 66 | 17,078
19 Sep 2020 #3,193
At that rate then in one year it would still be less than 1 per event of Poles infected.

The issue is that so far, Poland has got off vry lightly in comparison to nearby countries. In part, the human geography has helped this, however the situation is entirely new and it's hard (if not impossible) to predict further developments.
mafketis 24 | 9,387
19 Sep 2020 #3,194
New daily numbers for Poland...

Fatalities (daily total) 12, age range 46-92, average age 70

Number of active cases (running total) + 441 = 12,187

Hospitalizations (running total) + 52 = 1977

Ventilators in use, - 0 = 83

Number tested (daily total) = 20,000

Cured (daily total) 547 which is 45 % the number of discovered cases..

Ratio of cured to fatalities (daily) there were 45 times more cured cases than fatalities.
pawian 176 | 14,299
19 Sep 2020 #3,195
Maf, you forgot to mention we reached the newest record of infections - over 1000 today.
johnny reb 28 | 5,329
19 Sep 2020 #3,196
Poland is doing well compared to Michigan.
Our daily numbers are 484 tested positive with 15 deaths.
Total running number is 115,870 testing positive.
Total number of fatalities in Michigan is 6,653.
The country of Poland is doing very well compared to Michigan.
jon357 66 | 17,078
19 Sep 2020 #3,197
over 1000 today.

It's a bit of a watershed. Over the past few weeks I've noticed more and more people not wearing masks.
pawian 176 | 14,299
19 Sep 2020 #3,198
Yes. Brave Poles don`t let such silliness as covid scare them.
pawian 176 | 14,299
19 Sep 2020 #3,199
It was fearless Poles who stood up to the inhumane power of the USSR when they created Solidarity.
mafketis 24 | 9,387
20 Sep 2020 #3,200
New daily numbers for Poland...

Fatalities (daily total) 11, age range 67-93, average age 83

Number of active cases (running total) + 458 = 12,645

Hospitalizations (running total) + 8 = 1985

Ventilators in use, + 3 = 86

Number tested (daily total) = 18,900

Cured (daily total) 441 which is 48 % the number of discovered cases..

Ratio of cured to fatalities (daily) there were 40 times more cured cases than fatalities.
pawian 176 | 14,299
20 Sep 2020 #3,201
Again, you didn`t provide the new infections info. Why?
mafketis 24 | 9,387
20 Sep 2020 #3,202
Too easy to turn it into hysteria.... the plain number of newly discovered infections (with this virus) is essentially of no practical use. the fact that the percentage of asymptomatic or only very mild symptoms is so much larger than serious cases needs to be highlighted rather than numbers stripped of context.

What's more interesting is that almost 2000 cases discovered in the last two days and only 60 new hospitalizations... (a total of 3.1 per cent).

Polish media (as in most countries) always chooses the most alarmist possible headlines which does not contribute to any clear thinking about what's going on.

It's not dangerous for most people who aren't very elderly or very ill. By all means let's help protect the vulnerable but closing down society is a very poor reaction that will have worse long term effects than the disease itself.
pawian 176 | 14,299
20 Sep 2020 #3,203
Polish media (as in most countries) always chooses the most alarmist possible headlines

That`s a global village media strategy. Even North Korean media follow the trend - they constantly alarm about the tragic situation in Western countries.

but closing down society is a very poor reaction

Ok, I am prone to believe you.
mafketis 24 | 9,387
21 Sep 2020 #3,204
New daily numbers for Poland...

Fatalities (daily total) 5, age range 56-78, average age 67

Number of active cases (running total) + 441 = 13,086

Hospitalizations (running total) + 6 = 1979

Ventilators in use, - 3 = 83

Number tested (daily total) = 12,200

Cured (daily total) 302 which is 40 % the number of discovered cases..

Ratio of cured to fatalities (daily) there were 60 times more cured cases than fatalities.
bruceli
22 Sep 2020 #3,205
A guy named Kevin Robinson said on Twitter: "Since mid-November last year, I have coughed more than once. I am 58 years old. Never get sick. The cough is so bad that I vomit. My abdominal muscles are so sore that I can barely get sick. Walking. For a little sleep, you have to learn to sleep and cough on your cheeks. I think it's #COVID19#truestory" which means that the United States has had pneumonia at least in October last year.
johnny reb 28 | 5,329
22 Sep 2020 #3,206
Cardiologists are seeing patients with signs of inflammation and scar formation in their hearts even after recovery from COVID-19.
Fatigue and shortness of breath are the main symptoms after recovery.
mafketis 24 | 9,387
22 Sep 2020 #3,207
New daily numbers for Poland...

Fatalities (daily total) 18, age range 48-94, average age 74

Number of active cases (running total) + 325 = 13,411

Hospitalizations (running total) + 14 = 1993

Ventilators in use, + 2 = 85

Number tested (daily total) = 22,500

Cured (daily total) 368 which is 51 % the number of discovered cases..

Ratio of cured to fatalities (daily) there were 20 times more cured cases than fatalities.
Ziemowit 13 | 4,282
22 Sep 2020 #3,208
Not that I have listened to the British radio for the last fifteen years or so, but I accidentally tuned in to BBC Radio 4 on my TV set yesterday and almost every programme was devoted to the coronvirus epidemic. From what they said, it seems the situation on the British Isles is very alarming. Possible scenarios for November look very bad if some serious measures are not taken as soon as possible now. Quite a huge contrast to what they report here on the situation in Poland.
mafketis 24 | 9,387
22 Sep 2020 #3,209
From what they said, it seems the situation on the British Isles is very alarming

English speaking countries (esp the UK) are on the vanguard of the new international stateless order. Coronavirus is being used by western governments to hasten the end of nation states and so a lot of effort is put into instilling some kind of panic in the populations so they'll give up things like schools and police and the courts and easy international travel for third rate digital substitutes (for those that can afford it - nothing for those who can't).

Poles are still most in favor of the nation state (at least their own) and so they want to see this is a minor irritation rather than a world changer.

Considering that previous international orders were brought about by horrifically destructive wars (like WWI) maybe coronavirus is an improvement. If it doesn't work to some degree a war to get the job done might be on the horizon...
johnny reb 28 | 5,329
22 Sep 2020 #3,210
As evidence mounts that the "gold standard" test for detecting COVID-19 is unreliable, why are health officials around the world calling for more tests ?


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