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Coronavirus in Poland


pawian 173 | 12,733
13 Sep 2020 #3,151
right suggesting Jewish conspiracy here? Do you support this idea??

Coming back to it. Did you hear Israel has just announced the second lockdown, for 3 weeks, starting on Friday.

Knowing that Jews and Poles share a lot of similar traits, I wouldn`t be surprised if we do the same here sooner or later.
johnny reb 27 | 4,680
13 Sep 2020 #3,152
Months after Covid-19 infection, patients report breathing difficulty and fatigue
Covid symptoms only last two weeks is a myth.
Twelve weeks after patients were released from a hospital, 74% of them reported symptoms, including breathlessness and excessive fatigue.
Despite these symptoms, however, 104 of the 110 patients in the study had normal basic blood test results, with just 12% showing an abnormal chest X-ray and 10% showing restrictive lung function through spirometry tests.

Dr. MeiLan King Han, a pulmonologist and professor of medicine at the University of Michigan. "For the patients I have followed, many continue to complain of cough, breathing issues and severe fatigue long after their first infection."

Long haulers and dysautonomia
Many Covid-19 patients feel that the medical system is gaslighting them, telling them there's nothing wrong even though their whole lives have been upended by Covid-19's aftermath.
mafketis 24 | 8,743
14 Sep 2020 #3,153
An interesting take I read recently (and largely agree with).

There is a global oligarchy and in many countries the forces (political and otherwise) promoting more lockdowns and general panic are those in alignment with the oligarchy.

Those opposed to lockdowns and the like are not necessarily enemies of the oligarchy but they're not dependent upon it either.
johnny reb 27 | 4,680
14 Sep 2020 #3,154
An interesting take on your part Muff.
Since the maskholes either refuse to social distance, wear their mask properly or no mask at all, there is little other choice but to promote lockdowns.

They are not to cause panic but to 'force' the dickhead maskholes to stay away from people that they may unknowingly infect.
These are the morons that are spreading it.
India, Brazil and the U.S. just reported over 300,000 testing positive in the past 24 hour period.
How does that happen if people are following the guidelines ?
johnny reb 27 | 4,680
14 Sep 2020 #3,155
Here is a run on sentence for ya.
Maybe if people were told that the N95 masks can be washed in a washing machine, with hot soapy water, and can be re-used safely that people wouldn't wear the same contaminated mask day after day and expect it to be effective from spreading the virus if they had it unknowingly.

A little common sense goes a long ways.
mafketis 24 | 8,743
14 Sep 2020 #3,156
New and improved daily numbers for Poland...

Fatalities (daily total) 15, age range 63 -100, average age 81

Number of active cases (new metric running total) - 76 = 11,229

Hospitalizations (running total) + 11 = 1972 (still under 2000....)

Ventilators in use, -+ 1 = 87

Number tested (daily total) = 12,600

Cured (daily total) 438 which is 116 % the number of discovered cases..

Ratio of cured to fatalities (daily) there were 29 times more cured cases than fatalities.

13th day in a row with more cured than new cases.... will tomorrow be two weeks?
Cargo pants 2 | 560
14 Sep 2020 #3,157
No quarantine. I had no problem in Amsterdam and a client had no problem in Frankfurt last week.

The US embassy site says yes,there is 10 day quarantine,but some people say there is none for the flights coming from within the EU.
kondzior 12 | 1,103
14 Sep 2020 #3,158
If the government makes it mandatory they will put a micro chip in the vaccination.

It's already happening, even before the vaccine is out. Some countries already require you to have an app installed on your phone with tracking active 24/7, once you test negative, and impose heavy fines if you interfere with it.

Purely for "contact tracing" of course, absolutely no way that data will ever get misused you crazy conspiracy theorist nazi white supremacist.

That this whole thing culminates in an enforced vaccination is worrying. If I had to guess I'd say it would damage fertility or T levels somehow as the UN seems to be waging war on both those things.
Dirk diggler 9 | 4,581
14 Sep 2020 #3,159
I feel sorry for the healthcare workers, teachers, etc. they don't really have a choice on whether they want the vaccine or not. Either they get a rapidly developed, unproven novel RNA type vaccine (as opposed to the traditional vaccines using an inactive virus/virus DNA) and can't sue if they get all messed up or lose their jobs. I know I sure as hell won't be taking an sort of covid vaccine. Fts...
johnny reb 27 | 4,680
14 Sep 2020 #3,160
Then you will have the choice to go live in a FEMA Camp surrounded with concertina wire with the rest of the people that refuse to get them.
PolAmKrakow 1 | 461
15 Sep 2020 #3,161
@Cargo pants
Exactly why there are no more direct flights to Poland from USA. Many Americans in Poland right now. In Opole yesterday and met 4 at dinner. If there are Americans coming to Opole, on holiday according to them, then the border closure is pretty flimsy.
mafketis 24 | 8,743
15 Sep 2020 #3,162
Very good interview (for those who can read Polish) on onet with Prof. Ryszarda Chazan (bunch of initials after her name and lots of qualifications including in respiratory diseases)

couple of money quotes

"I don't understand on what legal basis unfounded fear can be used to deprive young people of education"

"it's hard for me to believe how easy decisions made from above were able to halt the whole world"

medonet.pl/koronawirus/koronawirus-w-polsce,prof--ryszarda-chazan-o-koronawirusie-i-lockdownie--trudno-mi-uwierzyc--jak-latwo-odgornymi-decyzjami-udalo-sie-zatrzymac-caly-swiat,artykul,27167777.html
Atch 17 | 3,269
15 Sep 2020 #3,163
And suddenly the thread is all about America - yet again. To get back to Europe, by 13 October the EU will finalze its new 'traffic light' system which will add some clarity to the foreign travel situation. It looks as if all the EU member states will adopt it.

Under the EU plans, countries or regions with a 14-day cumulative Covid-19 rate under 25 per 100,000, and a positivity rate of less than 3%, will be designated green.

Orange areas will be those with a 14-day rate under 50 per 100,000 and infection rate of over 3%, or where the 14-day rate ranges between 25 and 150 and the positivity rate is under 3%.

Countries and regions with a 14-day incidence rate of 50 or more and positivity rate of 3% or above, or if the 14-day rate is more than 150, will be designated red.

Areas with insufficiently clear data will be classified as grey.

The European Centre for Disease Prevention and Control will publish a map outlining which countries or regions are what colour and it will be updated weekly.
mafketis 24 | 8,743
15 Sep 2020 #3,164
New and improved daily numbers for Poland...

Fatalities (daily total) 25, age range 54 -100, average age 76

Number of active cases (new metric running total) + 130 = 11,359

Hospitalizations (running total) + 24 = 1996 (still under 2000....)

Ventilators in use, + 5 = 92

Number tested (daily total) = 18,700

Cured (daily total) 451 which is 74 % the number of discovered cases..

Ratio of cured to fatalities (daily) there were 18 times more cured cases than fatalities.

ap outlining which countries or regions are what colour and it will be updated weekl

Sounds like a plan to make travel impossible....by making planning all but impossible. If I didn't know better I'd say the EU is trying to operationalize Saint Greta's desire to end affordable air travel for most Europeans... but..... do I know better?
johnny reb 27 | 4,680
16 Sep 2020 #3,165
Don't expect Covid-19 to last as it was made in China.
mafketis 24 | 8,743
16 Sep 2020 #3,166
New and improved daily numbers for Poland...

Fatalities (daily total) 10, age range 54 -94, average age 73

Number of active cases (new metric running total) + 28 = 11,387

Hospitalizations (running total) + 11 = 2007 (one comment on twitter suggests that all those admitted to hospitals are tested and positive results are entered as covid hospitalizations even if there are no symptoms and they were admitted for something else.... FYI only I have no confirmation).

Ventilators in use, - 6 = 86

Number tested (daily total) = 21,900

Cured (daily total) 562 which is 93 % the number of discovered cases..

Ratio of cured to fatalities (daily) there were 56 times more cured cases than fatalities.
jon357 63 | 15,208
16 Sep 2020 #3,167
New and improved daily numbers for Poland...

I'm surprised how full some of the bars/restaurants are here. No masks or distancing, no contact tracing that I've noticed, and no real increase in infections.
mafketis 24 | 8,743
16 Sep 2020 #3,168
no real increase in infections.

I think that Poland is following the Japanese model (whether by design or accident is an open question) of testing as few random people as they can get away with because mostly just brings to light asymptomatic cases and bothers and disturbs everyone.

The priority in Poland is getting back to normal and that is good.
jon357 63 | 15,208
16 Sep 2020 #3,169
Let's hope it works. So far it seems to have.
pawian 173 | 12,733
16 Sep 2020 #3,170
and no real increase in infections.

They say we must wait 2,3 weeks after schools were opened.

I think that Poland is following the Japanese model (whether by design or accident is an open question

Don`t expect those rightards to have any conscious plan. They are like kids lost in the foggy forest.
jon357 63 | 15,208
16 Sep 2020 #3,171
They say we must wait 2,3 weeks after schools were opened.

I guessed about 3 weeks. A week for a few kids to start getting infected, a week for some of the parents to get it and a week for it to really spread.
mafketis 24 | 8,743
16 Sep 2020 #3,172
I guessed about 3 weeks.

The important metric is less total number of positive results but hospitalization rates.... the more you test the more cases you find but that doesn't necessarily fill the hospitals.... (fortunately)
mafketis 24 | 8,743
17 Sep 2020 #3,173
New daily numbers for Poland...

Fatalities (daily total) 16, age range 51 -89, average age 73

Number of active cases (new metric running total) + 206 = 11,593

Hospitalizations (running total) - 90 = 1917

Ventilators in use, - 2 = 84

Number tested (daily total) = 22,100

Cured (daily total) 615 which is 73 % the number of discovered cases..

Ratio of cured to fatalities (daily) there were 38 times more cured cases than fatalities.
johnny reb 27 | 4,680
17 Sep 2020 #3,174
Has anyone noticed that not one politician has died from the Virus ?
Ya"ll know you're being played, Right ?
Bratwurst Boy 7 | 10,434
17 Sep 2020 #3,175
There is an extensive list for the US....

ballotpedia.org/Government_official,_politician,_and_candidate_deaths,_diagnoses,_and_quarantines_due_to_the_coronavirus_(COVID-19)_pandemic,_2020#Diagnosed_incumbents.2C_candidates.2C_and_government_officials
cms neuf - | 1,755
17 Sep 2020 #3,176
Boris Johnson almost died of it and he still looks far too ill to be running the country
Dirk diggler 9 | 4,581
17 Sep 2020 #3,177
There's a video by Journeyman about a nurse who worked in Elmhurst Hospital in NYC during the peak of COVID. Basically everyone they intubated died. One guy lived - a drug addict who awoke as his body already had a huge tolerance to sedative/opiate type drugs and ripped out the vent tube himself. The nurse charges that the hospital and doctors were deliberately intubating and thus killing people on purpose and getting away with it due to an order giving them more protection against malpractice. Strange coincidence that even though hydroxychloroquine (with zinc) was a treatment used all around the world and the USA, yet Cuomo signed an executive order against off-label use.

youtube.com/watch?v=UIDsKdeFOmQ
jon357 63 | 15,208
18 Sep 2020 #3,178
he still looks far too ill to be running the country

Right now, he probably isn't. Just taking orders from Cummings and Patel, while Rishi Sunak is being groomed to take over in 2021.

The new lockdowns in some regions there are going to be hard for people; harder still if the 2 week countrywide lockdown that they're hinting at actually happens. There may well be some nasty surprises here in Poland as the season changes.
mafketis 24 | 8,743
18 Sep 2020 #3,179
New daily numbers for Poland...

Fatalities (daily total) 17, age range 60-89, average age 77

Number of active cases (new metric running total) + 153 = 11,746

Hospitalizations (running total) + 8 = 1925

Ventilators in use, - 1 = 83

Number tested (daily total) = 21,000

Cured (daily total) 587 which is 77 % the number of discovered cases..

Ratio of cured to fatalities (daily) there were 34 times more cured cases than fatalities.
pawian 173 | 12,733
18 Sep 2020 #3,180
Patel

Is he Indian? In one of my textbooks a character`s name is Patel, he runs a shop and looks Indian.


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