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Coronavirus in Poland


Spike31 3 | 1,813
10 Sep 2020 #3,121
"Irresponsible" Sweden. No masks, no quarantine, no corona-paranoia. No deaths.



mafketis 24 | 8,743
10 Sep 2020 #3,122
No deaths.

Sweden has had about three times as many fatalities as Poland (with one fourth the population).

On the bright side they've lowered their pension burden a bit by killing so many elderly people in bad health.
Spike31 3 | 1,813
10 Sep 2020 #3,123
@mafketis, and yet they have avoided a mistical "second wave" as presented on this graph

Btw. Who will convincingly explain me a phenomenon with 'experts' preaching the "second coming of corona" while at the same time claiming that Chinese flu is not a seasonal infection?
mafketis 24 | 8,743
10 Sep 2020 #3,124
Who will convincingly explain me a phenomenon

I've said it many times, you can't control the spread of a virus, you can only try to protect the most vulnerable (which Sweden didn't do at all - not that any other country has done a good job either) and let people know how to minimize their personal risk and then let it run its course.

The only way to try to really contain it is to treat human populations the way people deal with contagious illness in animal populations (with firewalls and systematic mass culling). This is, of course, incompatible with basic ideas of individual liberty and/or human rights.
Lenka 3 | 2,083
10 Sep 2020 #3,125
Interesting poll about corona in Europe:
It seems Poles don't want the vaccine. Almost 50% don't seem inclined to get vaccines.
Also over 50% think we will be able to come back to our lives as they were.

onet.pl/informacje/onetwiadomosci/forum-ekonomiczne-w-karpaczu-prawie-polowa-polakow-nie-chce-sie-szybko-zaszczepic-na/1mlk4d9,79cfc278
Spike31 3 | 1,813
10 Sep 2020 #3,126
Right now coronavirus killed more people, not because of its lethal attributes but simply because those patients who had a really serious illness couldn't get proper treatment on time (the case of early Lombardia paranoia and hospitals stuffed with patients with mild fever) or those who are too scared to seek the treatment and delayed it because of mass media hysteria.

And yes, mistreatment and the abandonment of the elderly people in daycare centers contributed to those statistics as well.

Those who started and orchestrated this mass hysteria have blood on their hands.
mafketis 24 | 8,743
11 Sep 2020 #3,127
Headed into the weekend....

New and improved daily numbers for Poland (early cause maybe busy later....)

Fatalities (daily total) 10, age range 48-94, average age 73

Number of active cases (new metric running total) - 195 = 12,030 (I mis-wrote the number yesterday, it should have been 12,225)

Hospitalizations (running total) + 33 = 1957 (still under 2000....)

Ventilators in use, - 2 = 82

Number tested (daily total) = 18,600

Cured (daily total) 779 which is 131 % the number of discovered cases..

Ratio of cured to fatalities (daily) there were 77 times more cured cases than fatalities.

10thday in a row with more cured than new cases....

My new cut-thru-the-hype number is number of active cases (people with actual symptoms and not just a positive test)

So despite the 80,000 or so in quarantine and the hundreds of new cases reported every day, in a country of 38 million people at this moment only a bit over 12,000 are actually sick and less than one sixth of that are hospitalized.... I don't think that this has ever qualified as a real epidemic in Poland.

And.... real shock number of the day

twitter.com/MZ_GOV_PL/status/1303951343888093184

That's right, on average more people commit suicide per day in Poland than have died from covid....
johnny reb 27 | 4,680
11 Sep 2020 #3,128
And.... real shock number of the day

Johnny Reb posted four days ago the same thing so why is it a shock ?

The CDC has come out and bluntly stated that there have been far more deaths from suicides and drug overdoses than from the COVID Virus.

The percentage of people in Poland that will refuse the vaccine is about the same as it is in the U.S. with 50% of the people saying they have no interest in getting poked to have god knows what injected into their bodies to do who knows what to it.

I want to know just how effective it will be, the side effects and how many boosters shots of it I will need.
So far they are saying we will need to get re vaccinated 30 days after the first vaccination.
That's a lot of ? to be injecting into ones body.
mafketis 24 | 8,743
11 Sep 2020 #3,129
four days ago the same thing

No you posted about the US, not Poland (as usual) and gave no numbers and coflated suicides and overdoses (a problem in the US not so much in Poland)... so...... yeah, I don't pay a lot of attention to off-topic posts.
johnny reb 27 | 4,680
11 Sep 2020 #3,130
Sorry that I pointed out that you were posting old news.
What you don't want to accept is that we are all in this together son so Poland is nobody special when it comes to the virus.

and gave no numbers and coflated suicides and overdoses

They are very much related in many cases maf.

I don't pay a lot of attention to off-topic posts.

Nor do I.
You just can't stand the fact that other countries besides Poland can be debated with related information to the virus in Poland.
Sorry maf, Poland does not have a monopoly on this thread no matter how hard you stomp your feet.
mafketis 24 | 8,743
12 Sep 2020 #3,131
New and improved daily numbers for Poland...

Fatalities (daily total) 13, age range 65-95, average age 81

Number of active cases (new metric running total) - 287 = 11,743

Hospitalizations (running total) - 11 = 1946 (still under 2000....)

Ventilators in use, -+ 3 = 85

Number tested (daily total) = 21,100

Cured (daily total) 877 which is 145 % the number of discovered cases..

Ratio of cured to fatalities (daily) there were 67 times more cured cases than fatalities.

11th day in a row with more cured than new cases....
pawian 173 | 12,730
12 Sep 2020 #3,132
Sorry maf, Poland does not have a monopoly on this thread no matter how hard you stomp your feet.

If you weren`t so unruly and messy, you would accept the fact that Poland should have the monopoly in this thread, according to its title. You can`t stand the fact that maf tries to keep order in class. Simple. `
Spike31 3 | 1,813
13 Sep 2020 #3,133
Anti plandemic protest in Warsaw

polsatnews.pl/wiadomosc/2020-09-12/ulicami-warszawy-przeszedl-marsz-zakonczyc-plandemie-dosc-klamstw/





kondzior 12 | 1,103
13 Sep 2020 #3,134
percentage of people in Poland that will refuse the vaccine

You mean vaccineS (plural), eh? Surely you are not that much of a cattle to think how this pandemic will end with but a single vaccine?

Expect revaccination every year, if this first hoax ever gets through globally.
Just like the flu shot, but mandatory.

Guaranteed yearly income. Vaccine businesses have every incentive to make it real. Plus, no responsability for complications and deaths due to it. It's purely win.

Add politics, And you know they're going to shove it down your throat.
johnny reb 27 | 4,680
13 Sep 2020 #3,135
kondzior, that is one of the best posts in this entire thread.
They have already said that it will take two vaccines 30 days apart and then most likely a yearly booster.
maf is going to be first in line to get one.

And you know they're going to shove it down your throat.

Oh yeah, you will have no choice in the matter or you will be taken to a F.E.M.A. camp.

You can`t stand the fact that maf tries to keep order in class. `

You can't stand the fact that I am unruly and refuse to color within your lines. Simple :-)
Being ignored in class must frustrate your teachers authority to no end, especially with no way to discipline. Simple.

I'm not sure if I will have time later so.
Todays new and improved numbers for America are: well, nobody actually knows because the numbers have been fudged so bad. lol
According to the CDC though they are:
Confirmed cases 6,578,051
Deaths 196,672
Recovered 3,561,307

America is prepping for round two and we are not even over round one yet.
Just wait until people catch the flu and their immune system gets run down and then catch Covid.
The numbers will sky rocket just the way Bill Gates and the Bilderburg's planned it to depopulate the planet.
Zzzzzzzzz.............
Lenka 3 | 2,083
13 Sep 2020 #3,136
maf is going to be first in line to get one

You really have serious comprehension problems
mafketis 24 | 8,743
13 Sep 2020 #3,137
New and improved daily numbers for Poland...

Fatalities (daily total) 6, age range 54 -85, average age 71

Number of active cases (new metric running total) - 438 = 11,305

Hospitalizations (running total) + 15 = 1961 (still under 2000....)

Ventilators in use, -+ 1 = 86

Number tested (daily total) = 14,500

Cured (daily total) 934 which is 186 % the number of discovered cases..

Ratio of cured to fatalities (daily) there were 155 times more cured cases than fatalities.

12th day in a row with more cured than new cases....
kondzior 12 | 1,103
13 Sep 2020 #3,138
Oh yeah, you will have no choice in the matter or you will be taken to a F.E.M.A. camp.

No, I won't. If the government makes it mandatory, I will just bribe the doctor to sign I did the vaccine even though i didn't. There are bribable doctors, thank God.
pawian 173 | 12,730
13 Sep 2020 #3,139
There are bribable doctors,

Everybody is bribable, it only depends on the sum. How much are you willing to pay? Just curious.

Anti plandemic protest in Warsaw

Yes, I don`t get this mockery with pLandemia. Why plan?
mafketis 24 | 8,743
13 Sep 2020 #3,140
Why plan?

Conspiracy idea that the whole coronavirus thing is a plan by the Jews to kill everybody by vaccinating them to death.... (or a dress rehearsal for something worse)

It's a lot more complex than that but that's the elevator pitch.
pawian 173 | 12,730
13 Sep 2020 #3,141
to kill everybody

hahahaha really? Surely, you can`t be serious.
PS. Don`t tell me not to call you Shirley.
mafketis 24 | 8,743
13 Sep 2020 #3,142
Surely, you can`t be serious

Let's wait and see how long it takes certain posters to say.... pretty much exactly that (using different terms of course and taking much longer to get to the point).

Don`t tell me not to call you Shirley.

I would say "shame, shame, shame.... shame on you, if you can't dance too

youtube.com/watch?v=U0mjlDDk3tE

(bonus - I'd always thought it was a black guy singing... apparently he's hispanic, at any rate those wails at 1.08 and 1.16 touches something very deep in my soul.....
johnny reb 27 | 4,680
13 Sep 2020 #3,143
Everybody is bribable, it only depends on the sum.

Even Lenka ?

How much are you willing to pay?

Buddy........you are walking on thin ice here
If the government makes it mandatory they will put a micro chip in the vaccination so they can scan you to see if you have been booted up with it.

God have mercy on the children.
Spike31 3 | 1,813
13 Sep 2020 #3,144
Yes, I don`t get this mockery with pLandemia. Why plan?

It started as a regular infection but the media have blown it out of proportions. Out of nothing, the virus became a major social issue.

And then obviously politicians and ngo's took over because it was too good to no use it for 'disciplining' the society and shaping it in a new form. A famous "new normality", a term which is being repeated by various media since at least late March/April
mafketis 24 | 8,743
13 Sep 2020 #3,145
too good to no use it for 'disciplining' the society and shaping it in new form.

The problem is that (at least in English speaking countries) the demand is coming from citizens themselves, probably an unforeseen consequence of the cult of neoliberalsim (like a lot of other not great things going on now). An ideology that puts consumer wishes as the highest value is going to mutate into extremely weird stuff...
pawian 173 | 12,730
13 Sep 2020 #3,146
Even Lenka ?

Everybody here, if offered 1 million $, would agree to become your best friend in the forum for a designated period of time, e..g, at least a year. Some people will do it for 500.000, other for 200.000, etc. Some people won`t for 100.000. E.g., me. hahahahahaa

they will put a micro chip in the vaccination

hahahaha Why bother so much? No, local clinics and hospitals will simply run records of vaccinated people. Just like it happens in case of other vacccinations - e.g., parents are notified by mail to bring their kids to local health centers.

And then obviously politicians and ngo's took over because it was too good to no use it

And that`s where the plan is? Sth doesn`t hold water here. Plan is when we are preparing sth ahead of events , while in case of pandemic everybody was taken by surprise.

Is maf right suggesting Jewish conspiracy here? Do you support this idea??
mafketis 24 | 8,743
13 Sep 2020 #3,147
Is maf right suggesting Jewish conspiracy here?

To be clear... I'm not suggesting any such thing. I'm just noting that there is such a conspiracy in the world....
pawian 173 | 12,730
13 Sep 2020 #3,148
Of course, I used a mental shortcut, sorry for that.
Spike31 3 | 1,813
13 Sep 2020 #3,149
And that`s where the plan is?

They took the opportunity and started shaping it in a desired direction. It didn't start as a plan but it became one once 'pandemia' took over the news and when society has bought it.
mafketis 24 | 8,743
13 Sep 2020 #3,150
They took the opportunity and started shaping it in a desired direction

I think so too (depending on who you mean by 'they'....)

But all the changes they're trying to shove people into are things that lots of political analysts have noted as probably trends for a long time... the idea of... de-institutionalising life (doing away with most physical offices and schools, the disappearance of most small stores etc) has been supported for years by lots of people (who had no idea of the real consequences unfortunately).


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