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AntV 2 | 167
31 Aug 2020 #3,061
@Lenka

But, that's the point. Those who aren't in advanced age or have underlying conditions aren't dying from it at a rate anywhere near those without such conditions. So, is COVID killing people or is the underlying condition killing people? Is COVID as potent as advertised or not? If the headlines read 9,000 died from COVID, instead of 175,000 died, (Plus, we can't leave out the robust recovery rates from equation), do we react to the disease as we have? So, it would make a difference.
johnny reb 28 | 5,290
31 Aug 2020 #3,062
Lenka why are you BAITING me AGAIN ?
Do you EVER smile ?

So, it would make a difference.

Thanks V as she loves targeting me every day with insults.

Nothing new at all.

AntV just proved you wrong now didn't he.

And USA is not Poland and that is the topic.

SHAME on me. (sniffles & cowers and wipes his beaten brow) Hoot !
All the countries in the world relate to Poland's virus problem so we all share with Poland to find common ground with the virus.

We get your problem all cleared up now ?
Lenka 3 | 2,558
31 Aug 2020 #3,063
Those who aren't in advanced age or have underlying conditions aren't dying from it at a rate anywhere near those without such conditions

We know that for months! Maybe we will make a big news out of the fact new virus appeared?
Don't get me wrong, it's important data but it's old news, already discussed and brings nothing new to the discussion.
johnny reb 28 | 5,290
31 Aug 2020 #3,064
Let's discuss the latest report that 94% of COVID-19 patients who died

Don't get me wrong, it's important data but it's old news,

You are wrong again because that data of 94% figure just came out last week and updated today.

Posted: Aug 30, 2020 / 05:11 PM EDT / Updated: Aug 31, 2020 / 04:38 PM EDT

ATLANTA, Ga. (WJW) - The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention released new data last week that depicts how many Americans who have died from COVID-19 also had underlying medical conditions.

According to the report, only 6 percent of deaths have COVID-19 as the only cause mentioned, revealing that 94 percent of patients who died from coronavirus also had underlying health conditions.

rochesterfirst.com/coronavirus/cdc-says-94-percent-of-covid-19-deaths-in-us-had-underlying-medical-conditions/

India just had 78,000 people test positive in one day.
AntV 2 | 167
31 Aug 2020 #3,065
it's important data but it's old news, already discussed and brings nothing new to the discussion.

It does add something new and important. Let's say 33% of the 850K deaths attributed to covid were people who suffered terminal conditions. Are those 285K deaths from covid or the terminal disease? That conversation is not being had, at least not in the general public.

As of now, the general public conversation is only about the spread of the disease and the mounting death toll--a significant amount of the world's population take the number of deaths as purely death by covid--when it could be something else. And, because of this significant number, economies and social interactions are being shut down without any probing or holding authorities accountable to what is actually the facts.

So, the new brought to the conversation is that not all of those deaths may be a result of covid but the underlying conditions we've acknowledged existed in some of the poor people infected by the disease. The importance of this is that it may dampen the wild hysteria surrounding this microbe.
mafketis 24 | 9,361
1 Sep 2020 #3,066
I'm not sure if I'll have time later, so.....

Today's numbers for Poland

Fatalities (daily total) 19, age range 51-97, average age 81

Hospitalizations (running total) - 111 = 2138

Ventilators in use, + 3 = 86

Cured (daily total) 392 which is 71% the number of discovered cases...

Ratio of cured to fatalities (daily) there were 20 times more cured cases than fatalities.

That drop in hospitalizations is very good news....
Spike31 2 | 2,099
1 Sep 2020 #3,067
Don't forget that corona attacks the brain before it even gets to lungs. That's all folks



pawian 176 | 14,299
1 Sep 2020 #3,068
How long are you going to remain in denial about it? Do you also reject the fact that the earth is round?
Spike31 2 | 2,099
1 Sep 2020 #3,069
Good timing, @pawian, you've started advocating it right now when societies are slowly starting to realize that they've been played.

- What's the most important thing in comedy?
- the Timing
pawian 176 | 14,299
1 Sep 2020 #3,070
now when societies are slowly starting to realize that they've been played.

No, they have realised they have no choice - either a catastrophic lockdown again or face the morbid truth that the virus will kill prematurely hundred thousands, if not millions, mostly elderly who could still live for 10, 15 years and take care of grandkids.

BTW, do you still have your grandparents? Or even parents? Are they also so flippant about the virus? Be honest with us.
Spike31 2 | 2,099
1 Sep 2020 #3,071
I will not discuss my family matters on the internet forum.
All I can say that they value logic, fact analysis and critical thinking above all things.
I believe I answered your question.

I haven't seen you so charged on the subject of corona since at least early April. Is that because of a start of new school year?
mafketis 24 | 9,361
2 Sep 2020 #3,072
- What's the most important thing in comedy?
- the Timing

It's supposed to go

First : What's the most important thing in comed-
Second: TIMING!
mafketis 24 | 9,361
2 Sep 2020 #3,073
Again early with numbers today since I might be busy later....

A decidedly mixed bag with mostly good news....

Today's numbers for Poland

Fatalities (daily total) 20, age range 44-95, average age 78

Hospitalizations (running total) +30 = 2168

Ventilators in use, - 3 = 83

Cured (daily total) 835 which is 140 % the number of discovered cases...

Ratio of cured to fatalities (daily) there were 41 times more cured cases than fatalities.

That's the first day with 20 fatalities in a while (on june 24 there were 21) which would be concerning but the big increase of cured cases (over newly discovered cases) is very good news.
pawian 176 | 14,299
2 Sep 2020 #3,074
I haven't seen you so charged on the subject of corona since at least early April.

hahaha don`t believe appearances.
mafketis 24 | 9,361
3 Sep 2020 #3,075
Today's numbers for Poland

Fatalities (daily total) 14, age range 58-94, average age 76

Hospitalizations (running total) +2 = 2170

Ventilators in use, - 2 = 81

Cured (daily total) 728 which is 118 % the number of discovered cases...

Ratio of cured to fatalities (daily) there were 52 times more cured cases than fatalities.

back under 20 for the daily fatality rate and second day in a row with more cured than new cases....
kondzior 12 | 1,200
3 Sep 2020 #3,076
Poland allowed children to go to school on daily study. Day 2.

Hilarity would ensure because for children under 12 years old, CoV-ID-19 isn't always possible to discern from a less lethal cold. I expect massive epidemic in 14-21 days, and either corona ill workforce selling stuff and spreading corona, or closed shops because of lack of workforce during next 2 months. (I wonder if chief ministry of health honcho heard about fact that people can get CoV-ID-19 more than once.)
mafketis 24 | 9,361
3 Sep 2020 #3,077
because for children under 12 years old, CoV-ID-19 isn't always possible to discern from a less lethal cold

In other words children under 12 years old are like every other low risk group....
jgrabner 1 | 75
3 Sep 2020 #3,078
corona ill workforce

could be, but it is an artificial illness. There was a virus outbreak in a german meat processing plant in June, 1413 workers tested positive: ga.de/ga-english/news/more-than-1300-coronavirus-cases-in-meat-factory_aid-51778017

of course, they immediately closed everthing down, sent all into quarantine, and everybody was really, really, scared.
2 days ago, German media checked if anybody of those infected back then was still alive. Turns out ... all of them. From the 1413, almost nobody even noticed that they were infected, 41 ended up in the hospital at one point, 2 in the ICU. Meaning that more than 1300 enjoyed a free vacation. Good for them. They were not ill, they just had a positive PCR test. The "illness" was only artificial. deutschlandfunk.de/covid-19-was-aus-den-infizierten-bei-toennies-wurde.676.de.html?dram:article_id=483414 (german)

So yes, what should happen now is what should have happend months ago (and happened already in Sweden, Belarus, Japan, Lombardia (Italy)..), that the virus runs through all children and - to a lesser degree - through their parents and in two months, the epidemic is over. As it was in 100+ epidemics before, after all, every year a minimum of one new virus makes the rounds.

There is the tale that Italy was oh so "hard" hit by this virus, whatever that means. As a result, they closed schools almost everywhere, because, well, I don't know, there must be some reason. In Italy, it turns out that Children younger than 18 years of age who had Covid-19 composed only 1% of the total number of patients; 11% of these children were hospitalized, and none died. nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2007617 A killer virus, that does not kill, amazing, we should be scared.

The only reasonable voice in the horde of fearmongers came these days from Maria Nawrocka-Rolewska, who said: koronawirus jest, to oczywiste, ale to nie znaczy, że wszyscy się zarażą i wszyscy przeniosą się na drugą stronę lustra. This virus exist, clear, but that does not mean, that all infect themselves and move to the other side of the mirror (ie. die). Word. Or why should Polish children be weaker than Italianos?

What generally was good to see on TV in the last couple of days is how many children expressed their joy of going back to school. That bodes well for the future of the country. As well a the choice of Szumowski's replacement. The new guy immediately cut quarantine days from 14 to 10 and eliminated the need for one of those useless PCR tests after quarantine, meaning quarantine now expires without the need for another test. I guess the top brass already knows very well the insanity of the whole charade, since it is well known that the PCR test cannot even distinguish between viable and destroyed virus RNA. Szumowski btw. was spotted these days on vacation in Spain. One of those countries you are not allowed to fly to Poland because of this scary virus. But he is probably going by yacht.
mafketis 24 | 9,361
3 Sep 2020 #3,079
Italy was oh so "hard" hit by this virus, whatever that means

Italy was hit both by the virus and a panic spiral which just made things worse. Hospitals had been struggling (undestaffed and underfunded) for years, panicked foreign workers in care homes left which made many elderly residents sick so they were taken to hospitals where they became infected and then came the lockdowns which also decreased the number of available medical staff as many with kids had to stay home iwth them.... a clusterfykk of bad reactions turning a potentially manageable situation into a disaster. Of course that's in hindsight, back in late Feb early March it seemed much more dangerous not least because of paranoid secrecy and obvious lies from the CCP (commies always lie, a rule you can depend on).

Now we know better, it's real, can be very dangerous for a small part of the population (esp older patients with certain comorbidities) but for most people less of a deal than the flu...

So now there's no excuse for panic (except that some people enjoy panicking...).
pawian 176 | 14,299
3 Sep 2020 #3,080
(except that some people enjoy panicking...).

Because it provides catharsis to the panicker, like watching a horror film. Half the population love watching them.
kondzior 12 | 1,200
3 Sep 2020 #3,081
This is all about the vaccine that follows.

How many of you know just how badly the Swine Flu "vaccine" screwed people up? It was a lethal death sentence for many people.

You were warned, remember that.
mafketis 24 | 9,361
3 Sep 2020 #3,082
like watching a horror film. Half the population love watching them

I lurrrve horror movies (especially in the past in times of high stress) but I never mistake them for real life....

(side note: why are there so few (none?) good Polish horror movies? Is it because reality has been bad enough? maybe someone should start a thread recommending/exploring Polish horror?)
pawian 176 | 14,299
3 Sep 2020 #3,083
how badly the Swine Flu "vaccine" screwed people up?

Yes, I saw how it works.



johnny reb 28 | 5,290
4 Sep 2020 #3,084
How many of you know just how badly the Swine Flu "vaccine" screwed people up? It was a lethal death sentence for many people.

People have wised up to the lies our government tell us while using us as guinea pigs for vaccination testing.
Has Poland heard the latest of what the World Health Organization has done in Africa ?
A week after World Health Organization (WHO) declared that its decade long vaccination campaign in Africa was successful, its own oral vaccine itself has sparked a new Polio outbreak in the continent.

The outbreak has been caused by mutation of strain in vaccine.
This VERY WELL could happen with the corona virus vaccine that was developed at warp speed.
The odds of dying from the virus is less then what the odds are of being injected with god knows what that could potentially kill you.

When I see Bill Gates and his family get booted up with the vaccine I may consider it a year later after I can see their after effects.
mafketis 24 | 9,361
4 Sep 2020 #3,085
Today's numbers for Poland (again early cause I might be busy later...)

Fatalities (daily total) 8, age range 58-95, average age 81

Hospitalizations (running total) +9 = 2179

Ventilators in use, - 6 = 75

Cured (daily total) 1227 which is 177 % the number of discovered cases...

Ratio of cured to fatalities (daily) there were 153 times more cured cases than fatalities.

third day in a row with more cured than new cases.... this might have something to do with the new shorter quarantine periods but I'm not sure about the dates and how that would kick in, but still....
kondzior 12 | 1,200
4 Sep 2020 #3,086
Yes, I saw how it works.

Your biggest hurdles in understanding this world are ...

1. Your vanity, which you are constantly reinforcing
2. Your suggestibility to the government agitprop on the televitz
3. Your desire to virtue signal or intelligence signal to establish yourself above another tier of working class people

... this truth is that this time it is not just your credibility which is going to be hurt. This one is going to cost you your life.

I mean it very seriously when I say, I am warning you not to get that vaccine no matter what kind of pressure is put on you to submit to it. It is going to be something much worse than anything previously attempted by Cabal.
Spike31 2 | 2,099
4 Sep 2020 #3,087
The whole plandemic was [still is] a large scale social experiment. The results are positive so far: most people would act based on emotions triggered by mass media and will follow the herd. Many will also voluntary become their own - and their neighbours - guardians.

And since they've emotionally invested in it any questioning the pandemic measures by the others they would treat as a personal attack on themselves and their deeply held beliefs.

If a virus with mortality rates comparable to common flu could cause all of this imagine what would happen in the face of a real disaster.
pawian 176 | 14,299
4 Sep 2020 #3,088
Your biggest hurdles in understanding this world are your vanity, suggestibility, desire .......

Oh, come on, I only posted a scene from a nice film. Why such emotions???
mafketis 24 | 9,361
4 Sep 2020 #3,089
a large scale social experiment

No. It's being used (at least in the US) to usher in a new economic system based on remote work, remote (or no) schooling and the transfer of as much of the economy to the digital realm as possible (while dismantling the travel industries and independent small businesses of all kinds). Some form of UBI will probably be introduced in the next few years...

Usually these types of massive social changes are brought about by catastrophic wars (like WWI) so in comparison this is crazy but far less destructive.
Spike31 2 | 2,099
4 Sep 2020 #3,090
@mafketis you have to take a wider look.

Social changes goes hand in hard with economic ones. At first people need to be separated from what they know and what they got used to in order to implement deeper structural changes. The so called "new normality".

It may work for some societies but it will fail for the others. But if even Germans are protesting against it, this surely has sent a major trigger warning to the elites.


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