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cms neuf 1 | 1,852
29 Aug 2020 #3,031
Whatever but we will take some convincing here in Poland that the US is doing better even than our weird government

Your numbers are still wrong - you are including the UK in the EU figures - it left in January.

The EU figure is 140k
mafketis 24 | 9,387
29 Aug 2020 #3,032
chances are high that the number of deaths in the USA might be significantly higher than reported

Actually the opposite - healthcare institutions are incentivized to list covid as cause of death (because the government pays compensation for the trouble) and all sorts of cases of people being listed as covid deaths who clearly weren't.

Number of confirmed cases is kind of a useless metric since most people have mild or no symptoms and since the tests themselves are so.... unreliable with lots of false positives and false negatives....

Hospitalization is probably the best single metric - though liable to be undercounted in places like the US where even a short hospital stay is liable to lead to financial ruin for working class people (not to mention things like illegal aliens not going to the hospital because they fear deporation).
johnny reb 28 | 5,329
29 Aug 2020 #3,033
the USA might be significantly higher than reported.

Actually much lower as they count anyone that dies for any reason including heart attacks and traffic deaths on the virus if the person tests positive.

truly appalling record considering the EU not only consists of rich countries like France and Belgium, but also very poor ones like Rumania and Greece.

So the United States consists of very poor States like Mississippi and Louisiana so not as appalling as the E.U. even if you do leave the U.K. out of the statistics.

you are including the UK in the EU figures

Yes I am as the U.K. is still part of Europe making the figure 181,000.
The U.S.A. has had 6 million confirmed cases with 184,000 deaths.
Europe has had 2 million confirmed cases with 181,000 deaths which is much more appalling to say the least.
So back to our original debate which was that proportionally Europe has had more deaths from people who have tested positive then what the United States has.

Would that be safe to say or do you want to continue to knit pick ?
mafketis 24 | 9,387
29 Aug 2020 #3,034
Today's numbers for Poland

Fatalities (daily total) 14, age range 49-93, average age 66

Hospitalizations (running total) +16 = 2237

Ventilators in use, -2 = 87

Cured (daily total) 751 which is 98% the number of discovered cases...

Ratio of cured to fatalities (daily) there were 53 times more cured cases than fatalities.
ShawnH 8 | 1,508
29 Aug 2020 #3,035
"Facts are stubborn things, but statistics are pliable."
Say what you will, but something is going on...
Source: cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/excess_deaths.htm


  • Excess Deaths in US
Lenka 3 | 2,577
29 Aug 2020 #3,036
which is much more appalling to say the least.

Not as appaling as having significantly smaller population and yet more or equal amount of deaths.. (depending your attitude towards UK)

Thanks Maf. I find your summaries quite usefull
cms neuf 1 | 1,852
29 Aug 2020 #3,037
The UK is not part of the EU. It has no representation there, nobody in the parliament and doesn't attend meetings. It makes as much sense as adding Mexico to the US figures.

I'm not nitpicking - your argument is nonsense
AntV 2 | 167
29 Aug 2020 #3,038
Hospitalization is probably the best single metric

But if the whole purpose of these metrics is to gain an understanding of the potency and fatalness of this disease, then the hospitalization metric alone would seriously compromise gaining a true understanding of this disease in terms of its effect on the public as a whole.

BTW, I appreciate your objective approach in the midst of the national pissing contest going on in this thread. :)
mafketis 24 | 9,387
29 Aug 2020 #3,039
the hospitalization metric alone would seriously compromise gaining a true understanding of this disease

Well 66 thousand active cases and just over 2200 hospitalizations.....and a consistent total of about 15 fatalities a day...(with an average age over 70) it's hard to paint that as hugely serious.... and some are still running around screaming doomsday.....
johnny reb 28 | 5,329
29 Aug 2020 #3,040
Not as appaling as having significantly smaller population and yet more or equal amount of deaths..

That was explained already on the previous page so I feel no need to explain it again, in fact I feel no need to respond to any belittling remarks over and over.

Do you ever smile Lenka.

The UK is not part of the EU.

That was established on the last page too so why are you making an issue AGAIN unless you don't want to admit I am right that proportionally Europe has had more deaths from people who have tested positive then what the United States have.

It makes as much sense as adding Mexico to the US figures.

Except that the U.K. IS a part of Europe but Mexico is NOT a part of the United States.
I have to agree with AntV, enough of this Polish nick picking this into a national pointless pissing contest.
cms neuf 1 | 1,852
29 Aug 2020 #3,041
But you talked about the EU in your original post.

So do you mean the EU or Europe ?

So then you must add all the countries of Europe - Crow and his Serbs too ! Switzerland, Russia, Belarus, Ukraine - and the result would be to make the US look even more of a basket case.

Yes, the US has a lower death rate among people who tested positive. But it is worse by every other measure.

And most importantly this story is far from over in any country but it's much more under control in Europe
mafketis 24 | 9,387
29 Aug 2020 #3,042
But you talked about the EU in your original post.

he's saying and writing anything to provoke a response and an avalanche of attention - why feed an attention troll?
johnny reb 28 | 5,329
29 Aug 2020 #3,044
So do you mean the EU or Europe ?

That was already explained on the previous page too so quit acting dumb.
And adding Russia to Europe's stats with a 100,000 cases and 17,000 deaths and those other spin offs of Russia would put the death toll well over 200,000 making the proportionally even worse than it already is.

Yes, the US has a lower death rate among people who tested positive.

Damn, that was like pulling the second claw from a cat.
AntV 2 | 167
29 Aug 2020 #3,045
Well 66 thousand active cases and just over 2200 hospitalizations..

Oh, I misunderstood what you were saying. I thought you were saying we should only consider those hospitalized as the total infected metric.

and some are still running around screaming doomsday.

It does all seem to be overdone.

this story is far from over in any country but it's much more under control in Europe

We have no idea how under control it is. We have no idea how many have actually been infected and how many have actually died from covid. I think the only thing we can be certain about is the number of people who are listed in COVID fatality column is inflated. If someone with terminal cancer is infected with COVID, did that person die from cancer or COVID?

To me, and this may end up being incorrect, it seems like this disease is easily transmittable but not the fatal plague we're led to believe it is. It's not something to be dismissive about, but nothing to be hysterical about either, IMO.
AntV 2 | 167
29 Aug 2020 #3,046
In other words, it might be a little more potent than the flu, but not that much more potent.
mafketis 24 | 9,387
29 Aug 2020 #3,047
For people in certain categories (older and/or with certain pre-existing conditions*) it's extremely dangerous, far worse than flu, for almost everybody else.... it's kind of no big deal....

*not nearly enough information on this aspect has been released....
AntV 2 | 167
29 Aug 2020 #3,048
I agree. So, it may be dangerous, but not necessarily extremely dangerous for the elderly or those with pre-existing conditions. I just got a gut feeling that once the hysteria fades, we'll be dealing with this disease like we do the flu. We'll learn to live with it.

I just hope BB pops his helmet out of his underground bunker every now and again.
AntV 2 | 167
30 Aug 2020 #3,049
Germany coronavirus: Anger after attempt to storm parliament

bbc.com/news/world-europe-53964147

This type of thing may become more frequent around the globe. Corona fatigue may be hitting a tilting point.
cms neuf 1 | 1,852
30 Aug 2020 #3,050
Yes - I think Id they try another lockdown that might happen in Poland. I know a lot of Hungarians are very unhappy about the borders being closed again
Joker 2 | 1,787
30 Aug 2020 #3,051
I think Id they try another lockdown that might happen in Poland

The libtard Dems in America want to lockdown the country only for political reasons, what's Polands excuse?

Most be a power and control issue for sure.
kondzior 12 | 1,200
30 Aug 2020 #3,052
we'll be dealing with this disease like we do the flu

Flu season is a thing because it usually occurs during the colder months when there is less sun and spreads indoors where people are spending more time, it makes sense to set up a flu vaccination program that targets the most dangerous and likely strain that may spread that year. COVID is a cold and gives zero foocks about the weather, warm or cold it doesn't give a sh!t, you aspirate and spread it. A vaccination program would likely require several booster shots a year for the multiple strains that start pissing about.

A new disease that scientists dont know its fully impact on bodies and potential long term effects AND a new vaccine, possibly multiple vaccinations a year, also untested on its potential long term effects (more than likely negligible but I do remember a potential vaccine for SARS leading to a rather fatal reaction in the lab animals (ferrets maybe?) when the real virus the vaccine was created to protect from was introduced)

Sh!ts quite foocked, but hopefully its the death knell for globohomo poz, seeing as Sweden had decided that just a flu bro eventually everyone is going to have to learn to live with this ****.
cms neuf 1 | 1,852
30 Aug 2020 #3,053
I think Poland's excuse would be that they can't think of any better way to tackle this but calling a lockdown makes it look like they are in control.

Iftqhere is another lockdown I will just go about my business as much as possible. If I'm in a shop I will wear a mask but not if there is nobody around.
johnny reb 28 | 5,329
30 Aug 2020 #3,054
it makes sense to set up a flu vaccination program that targets the most dangerous and likely strain that may spread that year.

They already do that and last year it was only 12% effective.
And meanwhile you have been booted up with a worthless foreign agent in your body that is for a strain that is not even active that year, for life, that does more harm then good.

And people that get flu shots for a certain strain STILL often get that strain of flu and get hoodwinked again by being told they didn't get the flu as 'severe' as they would have without the vaccination.. (maybe and maybe not because you have no proof of such balderdash)

We will be used as guinea pigs with the corona virus vaccinations in the same manner.
They have no tried and true vaccination until they "test" it on the public.
You can bet you won't see George Soros or Bill Gates or any of the Bilderburg's being the first one in line to get poked.

eventually everyone is going to have to learn to live with this ****.

I posted way back at the beginning of this thread that everyone in the world will eventually get this virus..
This virus was designed to lower the worlds population by targeting old people who are in ill health and are a burden to the healthcare system as well as healthcare insurance companies.

Like kondzior said, "eventually everyone is going to have to learn to live with this ****."
It's the end times my friends and this has all been prophesized to happen.
mafketis 24 | 9,387
30 Aug 2020 #3,055
A good time for....

Today's numbers for Poland

Fatalities (daily total) 1, age range 69, average age 69

Hospitalizations (running total) + 5 = 2242

Ventilators in use, - 2 = 85

Cured (daily total) 626 which is 99% the number of discovered cases...

Ratio of cured to fatalities (daily) there were 626 times more cured cases than fatalities.

Weekend slump (partly for sure) or is this wave (or wavelet) flattening out?

From the states comes the news that only something like 6 % of covid fatalities can be attributed to covid alone.... the average number of comorbidities listed as cause of death is just over 2.5... granted this also includes things like pneumonia which could be covid related but if you aren't yet thinking that this has been overhyped (accidentally or on purpose) you just might be a giant sucker....
kondzior 12 | 1,200
31 Aug 2020 #3,056
There is also a question of what kind of medical issues a bad case of covid can cause in an originally healthy person afterwards. There were talks of people coofing and not having their sense of smell and taste long after they were declared covid free. Chronic fatigue syndrome is also a frequent long term symptom of the China virus. I'm guessing these all become pre-existing conditions in the view of insurance companies.
AntV 2 | 167
31 Aug 2020 #3,057
what kind of medical issues a bad case of covid can cause in an originally healthy person afterwards.

Yeah, that's what concerns me the most.

I'm guessing these all become pre-existing conditions in the view of insurance companies.

I would think so. I America, as I understand the law as written, any medical condition one has at the time of acquiring an insurance policy that condition is covered--it doesn't matter what the condition is.
mafketis 24 | 9,387
31 Aug 2020 #3,058
Today's numbers for Poland

Fatalities (daily total) 6, age range 72-92, average age 80

Hospitalizations (running total) + 7 = 2249

Ventilators in use, - 2 = 83

Cured (daily total) 446 which is 88% the number of discovered cases...

Ratio of cured to fatalities (daily) there were 74 times more cured cases than fatalities.
johnny reb 28 | 5,329
31 Aug 2020 #3,059
Let's discuss the latest report that 94% of COVID-19 patients who died had underlying conditions in America.
Wouldn't that change the statistics a tad bit.
Lenka 3 | 2,577
31 Aug 2020 #3,060
Why would it? We knew it attackas mostly people that are older and/or with underlying conditions. Nothing new at all. And USA is not Poland and that is the topic.


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