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EU confirms it will take action against Poland over court reforms


WielkiPolak 58 | 1,052    
17 Nov 2017  #121
Well I would say we now know who our friends and enemies are, but given that Poland voted for the resolution against itself [thanks to opposition party MEPs] it's hard to make that judgment.

Where can I see the full stats of how European countries voted? Also Hungary aren't slavic so how did they vote?
OP Atch 16 | 2,647    
17 Nov 2017  #122
They voted against it of course by about a two thirds majority. After all we know that the Hungarians are very firmly on Poland's side - at present. That may well change. Orban is a slippery customer and in the end he will act in Hungary's interests, not Poland's. I'm afraid I can't remember where I found that information, I was just tootling around the internet while I was having a cup of tea. I'll see if I can locate it again later when I have time.
OP Atch 16 | 2,647    
17 Nov 2017  #124
I found it! It's a website called votewatcheurope.eu

There's also a very interesting article on there about the most influential MEPs in the Parliament. This is the kind of thing that EU citizens should be reading.
Dirk diggler 7 | 3,925    
17 Nov 2017  #125
They can make all the threats they want. They have no teeth to enforce it. This only furthers the divide between east and west. In the end this is about the courts and rule of law anyway, the eu have up on forcing Poland to take migrants and that's good enough for me.

Poland and Hungary have a friendship going back centuries. Poles and Hungarians are closer than even Czechs and possibly even more so than lithuanians.

The poles who voted for it's own suspension ought to be tried for treason. Back in the day such traitors would be hanged

Total scum... And p.o. wonders why they have half the local support of pis...
Ironside 47 | 9,261    
17 Nov 2017  #126
but given that Poland voted for the resolution against itself

EU parliament is hardly a national representation by countries. It just bunch of mix of MEPs representing mostly lefties. Beside the point is a fact that Polish/MEP from Poland going against Poland are just traitors.

What a scum.
mafketis 16 | 6,322    
17 Nov 2017  #127
Polish/MEP from Poland going against Poland are just traitors.

You sound just like communist newscasters calling solidarity activists traitors for making Poland look bad...
Dirk diggler 7 | 3,925    
17 Nov 2017  #128
@mafketis

Maybe they knew something we didn't with Walesa lol...

The solidarnosc people were mostly patriots. These leftist traitors have put their loyalty into a supranational political union over their own motherland. That is shameful. Even if I disagreed with pis and I certainly often do, I would never have voted to suspends Poland's voting rights as is weakens the entire country and affects all citizens amd residents indirectly
mafketis 16 | 6,322    
17 Nov 2017  #129
I would never have voted to suspends Poland's voting rights

You don't want Poland in the EU or EP at all, why be upset about something that might hasten that process.

weakens the entire country

Then blame those who exposed Poland to that danger... PiS!
Ironside 47 | 9,261    
17 Nov 2017  #130
Those are not activists they are MEPs paid by the Polish taxpayer. Poland has a democratically elected gov, is not under occupation, if they don't like something they have the right to organize a party and to convince Poles to vote for them, if they are successful they can induce their own vison in Poland. The trick is that have no enough support to do it and in a fact that the current gov has a mandate to rule for another two years.

Also is not even about voicing their opinions.
This resolution and atmosphere around it makes it harder for the Polish diplomacy to get results that are good for the Polish national interest.
Not to mention that if EU parliament will bring this farce to its full conclusion it would mean that all the Polish citizens are going to be penalized financially by the EU.

I understand politicking, ideological progressivism of the European establishment |(that resonate in the Democratic party), understand interest France and Germany playing to reduce EU funding to Poland due to Brexist and their costly 'migrant' policy, they looking for a pretext, and other considerations.

I don't understand and I don't want to understand people from Poland who are MEPs, some of them use to be politicians in Poland, that they see no problem in hurting the country and its citizens. They are scum in more ways than one. A higher position they held, more richer they are, more educated they are that makes them even more of a scum.

Germany and France sees Poland as they colony. They should learn the difference and their mistake should cost them direly!
By the way they are commies, siding with crazy leftie progressives.
Going against Poland was a treasonous offence and those people are full blown traitors.
That just a fact!
Sad but true.
mafketis 16 | 6,322    
17 Nov 2017  #131
This resolution and atmosphere around it makes it harder for the Polish diplomacy to get results that are good for the Polish national interest.

And the fact that it exists at all is due to the actions of PiS which makes Poland look, internationally, like a country that cannot be counted on to keep its word. Polish politicians voting against the PiS r4pe of the justice system increases Polish credibility rather than making look like a crummy commie country that does anything the leader of the party wants.
OP Atch 16 | 2,647    
17 Nov 2017  #132
Before the vote Guy Verhofstadt said:

"If the Polish government continues to breach the rule of law & European values, financial sanctions will have to follow. However, we must find a way not to punish citizens for the wrongdoings of their government".

and after the vote:

"We will never accept any sanctions against Polish citizens themselves. It is better to divert EU money from the Polish government directly to the Polish civil society, to Polish cities, to Polish people who must never be the victims of Kaczynski´s reactionary agenda".

So that sounds fair enough. I suppose the EU will simply deal directly with various community and possibly private institutions to try to fund things at grass roots level. Could work out very well for Polish people.
Ironside 47 | 9,261    
17 Nov 2017  #133
PiS r4pe of the justic

Do you really think that it has anything to do with some laws, rules and such?
Rights and wrongs? lol!
You're very naïve.
If PiS would introduce, gay marriage, all those insane progressive ideas, banned all patriotic organization, took a million of so so called refugees and did nothing about international crooks draining Poland from money, they could do anything - hang all the judges, bring tanks on the streets and mow down with the machine guns people who are demonstrating against them - the EU wouldn't say a word, maybe some odd slogan but not any action.

Guy Verhofstadt is a loon , a crazed commie, probably some degenerate given he is from Belgium, they should check his cellar for some children kept as sex toys.
Dirk diggler 7 | 3,925    
17 Nov 2017  #134
@mafketis

Actually I do want pl to be in the eu... But but not be forced to accept migrants and handle it's own internal affairs. Most poles feel the same way

They fail to realize over 40% of poles support pos and Kaczynski and thinking such actions won't affect poles is ridiculous. Sounds like a play to simply give more money to Soros ngos

Either way, pis has won the fight with the eu as far as migrants so Atleast poles can rest assured our record of ZERO Islamic terror attacks will remain intact.. For now
Dirk diggler 7 | 3,925    
17 Nov 2017  #135
If pis introduced gay marraige (which p.o. didn't even dare to do and instead settled on unions), accepted a bunch of migrants, legalized drugs, allowed transistor bathrooms, dissolved the relationship between the Catholic church and government, and allowed German and eu interests to totally take over Poland esp in the financial arena thered be riots in the streets. One of the main reasons why p.o. lost is bc of their kowtowing to eu and agreeing to take in migrants. It was game over for them. Poles will never forget that
Dirk diggler 7 | 3,925    
17 Nov 2017  #136
Waszczykowski also told Polish Radio 1 on Friday that "the situation in the EU is changing" and that "a growing number of member states and politicians see that the European Commission is overstepping its prerogatives."

The commission, the EU's executive arm, is "becoming a political body instead of a technical one that should monitor the observance of European treaties and the four freedoms described in them," according to Waszczykowski.
mafketis 16 | 6,322    
17 Nov 2017  #137
And if you believe that, there's a large building for sale close to Warszawa Centralna, they call it the Palace of Culture.... they're desperate to sell and I have exclusive rights to mediate between the city and a buyer, whaddya say???? for not much money you could own a Palace! of Culture!
G (undercover)    
17 Nov 2017  #138
Guy Verhofstadt said

This from a... guy coming from a shyt country known for pedophilia and islamism.

I suppose the EU will simply deal directly with various community and possibly private institutions to try to fund things at grass roots level. Could work out very well for Polish people.

Apparently the psychos are becoming more desperate and are dreaming to take over the country building a sort of alternative administration.
WielkiPolak 58 | 1,052    
17 Nov 2017  #139
I found it! It's a website called votewatcheurope.eu

Thanks Atch, but it confuses me. It looks like there were about 20 separate votes all relating to 'the rule of law and democracy in Poland' with different outcomes. Do you know what one of those was the final vote?

Beside the point is a fact that Polish/MEP from Poland going against Poland are just traitors.

I agree.
NoToForeigners 6 | 986    
18 Nov 2017  #140
Beside the point is a fact that Polish/MEP from Poland going against Poland are just traitors.

Targowica v 2.0

guy coming from a shyt country known for pedophilia and islamism.

He even looks like uncle Adolph
jgrabner 1 | 57    
19 Nov 2017  #141
Where can I see the full stats of how European countries voted?

the resolution has the #B8-0595 "The situation of the rule of law and democracy in Poland".
the summary results: europarl.europa.eu/sides/getDoc.do?pubRef=-%2f%2fEP%2f%2fNONSGML%2bPV%2b20171115%2bRES-VOT%2bDOC%2bPDF%2bV0%2f%2fEN&language=EN starts from the bottom of page 12

the roll call tally: europarl.europa.eu/sides/getDoc.do?pubRef=-%2f%2fEP%2f%2fNONSGML%2bPV%2b20171115%2bRES-RCV%2bDOC%2bPDF%2bV0%2f%2fEN&language=EN the votes on the final text are on pp84/85

there have been various amendments proposed and every single of them is voted on, hence the huge number of voting rounds.

kudos from my side go to the MEPs
Ryszard Legutko, Anna Fotyga, Tomasz Poręba, Ryszard Czarnecki, Karol Karski, Edward Czesak, Beata Gosiewska, Czesław Hoc, Marek Jurek, Sławomir Kłosowski, Zdzisław Krasnodębski, Urszula Krupa, Zbigniew Kuźmiuk, Stanisław Ożóg, Bolesław Piecha, Jadwiga Wiśniewska, and Kosma Złotowski for proposing this resolution: europarl.europa.eu/sides/getDoc.do?pubRef=-//EP//TEXT+MOTION+B8-2017-0594+0+DOC+XML+V0//EN

"Points out, therefore, that new legislative proposals, such as the proposals for laws on the National Judicial Council and Supreme Court, should not be subject to interference from the EU institutions, as their objectives will be best achieved by the Polish authorities on the basis of the subsidiarity principle"
Dirk diggler 7 | 3,925    
19 Nov 2017  #142
@mafketis

Thanks but not enough land and privacy for me.

It's not just poles complaining the eu is pushing far left laws and regulations same w Brits hence brexit along w a bunch of countries in eastern Europe. The citizens appreciate thr economics and free movement but not the migrant dictates along w e a lot of other b.s.. like I said these countries including pl follow 99% of what eu tells them but certain things are a red line
OP Atch 16 | 2,647    
8 Dec 2017  #143
Today the Venice Commission will issue the two opinions we've been awaiting. It'll be interesting to see their conclusions. The government never responded to the draft opinions they sent them.
Ziemowit 12 | 3,109    
8 Dec 2017  #144
The government never responded to the draft opinions

They were just too busy with plans to reshuffle the cabinet. Finally, our dear "polna Beata" decided to put a stop to it and has stepped down from her post of prime minister.
Dirk diggler 7 | 3,925    
8 Dec 2017  #145
The battle has begun! Poland and Slavdom will perservere no matter what!
Ziemowit 12 | 3,109    
8 Dec 2017  #146
Poland and Slavdom will perservere

What is more to it: Sarmatia will persevere, too!
OP Atch 16 | 2,647    
8 Dec 2017  #147
Ok, so the word from the Commission is as follows:

"Poland's proposed court overhaul poses serious risks to all parts of the country's judiciary".
Crow 146 | 7,596    
8 Dec 2017  #148
I really wouldn`t worry for EU. If it sunk on Serbian penis, imagine only how it could nicely sit on Polish

What is more to it: Sarmatia will persevere, too!

Time of great sex is in front of us. Payday! To liberate ourselves from tyrants once and for all! Only now we beginning to comprehend what kind of misery western Europeans delivered on us
Ironside 47 | 9,261    
8 Dec 2017  #149
Poland's proposed court overhaul poses serious risks to all parts of the country's judiciary".

I think Mr Guillotine thirst after blood of upstarts who believe themselves uncatchable.
Dirk diggler 7 | 3,925    
10 Dec 2017  #150
@Ziemowit

Bc they made her. Kaczynski is the man in charge also morawiecki was picked so he can talk some sense into the eu and remind them of the values they lost with multiculturalism and the migrant invasion

Even tusk said the relocation scheme and migrant quota system is a bust



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