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EU confirms it will take action against Poland over court reforms


SigSauer 2 | 439    
13 Mar 2018  #331
@Atch

I read the article."that Poland appears no longer to accept that there are common European values which must be respected". Hahaha, that is so rich coming from anyone in government in western Europe.

A better strategy to solve this (not applicable to this specific case), is for Ireland not to agree to any extradition requests from other countries. In the U.S. we do not extradite our citizens, even to stand trial in the U.K.
OP Atch 15 | 2,440    
13 Mar 2018  #332
That can't be done because Ireland is bound by the European arrest warrant system to which all EU countries have signed up. Each case is examined and a decision not to extradite can be made if there is good reason but simply refusing to extradite anybody to anywhere in the EU is not an option. Besides, there is no reason why we should adopt such an extreme policy. You say you don't extradite your citizens from the USA but what about foreign nationals? You have extradition treaties with over 100 countries. In any case, the guy in question is not an Irish citizen, he's a Polish citizen who was living in Ireland and he's therefore an EU citizen and extraditable under the European arrest warrant.

that is so rich coming from anyone in government in western Europe.

The Irish judiciary is not in government :)) The statement comes from a High Court judge, not a politician.
mafketis 16 | 5,897    
13 Mar 2018  #333
ach case is examined and a decision not to extradite can be made if there is good reason

What BS reason did Belgium give for not extradicting the criminal Puigdemont who organized a referendum clearly in violation of the constitution (approved by a majority of all eligible voters)?

Like so many appealing ideas about European unity it crumbles the first time it doesn't suit...
OP Atch 15 | 2,440    
13 Mar 2018  #334
I can't speak for Belgium. The thing is that although all EU countries are bound by certain rules, directives etc we are all independent of each other too, with our own legal systems and ways of doing things. What reason did they give as a matter of interest??

Ok I just checked. Belgium state prosecutors initially backed the request for extradition but Spain dropped the case.
Dirk diggler 7 | 3,404    
13 Mar 2018  #335
Common european values means accepting blind multiculturalism and having your citizens blown up by terrorists. Something poles overwhelmingly reject and will not allow. We camt give am inch. Nezt theyll try to change our constitution to destroy marraige and soon people will marry pillows and 300 yr old ghosts amd God only knows what else like other countries

Let the eu bring it we have plenty of populist support from other countries. Eu knows article 7 is doomed to fail. Plus once italy is in v4 and berloscuni cleans up all the african migramts and no longer demand poland take em

Oh bc high court judges all over uk have never been politically biased. Nope never. Please the court and cops even work with bbc to sell those retarded licenses
OP Atch 15 | 2,440    
13 Mar 2018  #336
high court judges all over uk have never been politically biased.

Why the reference to the UK?? Ireland is not part of the UK. The judge in question is an Irish High Court judge.
cms neuf - | 382    
13 Mar 2018  #337
Not sure what retarded licenses you mean but if you are referring to a TV licence, then yes you need one. You will go to court if you do not have one. The money is used to fund public broadcasting. Poland has exactly the same system - With the difference being that the BBC at least pretends to be impartial and doesn't fire all of its journalist whenever there is an election.
Ziemowit 10 | 2,956    
13 Mar 2018  #338
Spain dropped the case

Good for Spain. Imagine how much publicity such a case would get and imagine how sympathetic people would feel for Puigdemont. He would have been seen as a hero fighting for freeing Catalonia from years of Spanish oppression and Belgium would have been blamed for giving the hero out to the hands of his oppressors.

Back to the Polish-Irish case of extradition, the Irish court alleges that Minister of Justice and Prosecutor General have become one and same person in Poland, but this has always been the case in Poland except for a 5-year period. Such a scheme is also popular in many EU countries.

An interesting political analysis of this case is in today's RZECZPOSPOLITA:
rp.pl/Sedziowie-i-sady/303139944-Irlandzki-sad-uderza-w-reputacje-polskich-sedziow---komentuje-Tomasz-Pietryga.html
Dirk diggler 7 | 3,404    
13 Mar 2018  #339
@Atch

Same thing both use a very similar high court system. Regardless its a political decision as a constitutional court amd criminal court are two way differemt things in just about every nation amd hence have two entirely different case loads. And as a judge no one would better than her. That's like saying well poland wont extradite a murderer rapist whatever to the us because they dont like trumps supreme court.

And f*** the bbcs tv license that sh1t is straight extortion. And no you dont need one unless your dumb enough to not shut the door in one of the tv licensing goons face. Youll only lose a court case if they cam prove you watch live tv. Amd no in poland ive never paid for any ridiculous license not will i ever
OP Atch 15 | 2,440    
13 Mar 2018  #340
the Irish court alleges that Minister of Justice and Prosecutor General have become one and same person in Poland,

But that's not the full extent of her argument though.

@ Dirk, never, never, never tell an Irish person that 'it's the same thing'. We are a separate and independent nation and not 'the same' as the UK. You simply cannot make a statement about political motivations in the UK courts and apply the same logic to Ireland.
rozumiemnic 8 | 3,586    
13 Mar 2018  #341
Same thing

no it's really not. In fact it is a different sovereign state.

" Youll only lose a court case if they cam prove you watch live tv "

and that is not true either.

you claim to know an awful lot about UK and Ireland for a septic...:):)
Dirk diggler 7 | 3,404    
13 Mar 2018  #342
UK and Ireland are basically the same thing... they might as well be one state again as their economies, political systems, etc. basically live off each other with UK being the dominant one.

And yes for the BBC licensing to enforce anything they must prove you watch live TV - meaning that the TV in your home is used for things other than Netflix, youtube, etc. You don't let them into your house and you don't talk to them there's nothing they can do. And yes I have family in London...

says right here when you do or don't need a license

tvlicensing.co.uk/about/foi-legal-framework-AB16
tvlicensing.co.uk/faqs/FAQ104

pathetic... charging people to watch the bbc or sports... smh uk...
mafketis 16 | 5,897    
13 Mar 2018  #343
no it's really not. In fact it is a different sovereign state.

So.... name 5 things that are completely different between the two countries.
rozumiemnic 8 | 3,586    
13 Mar 2018  #344
gosh thanks , a septic who visited the UK once or twice has advised me how to deal with the BBC! what an honour!

NO dirk, UK and Ireland are NOT 'basically the same thing', you are just showing your ignorance now.

5 things that are different..
well let's see..

the language
the religion
the culture
the education system
the land mass

Happy now?
Dirk diggler 7 | 3,404    
13 Mar 2018  #345
They're both cucked so they might as well be one and the same.

Besides, the fact that a judge would refuse to extradite a criminal case because she doesn't agree with an entirely different courts' decision shows how politicized and EU ass kissing the Irish court system has become. They've already managed to destroy the institution of marriage - they just need Sharia courts, a Muslim mayor for Dublin, a woman to marry a 300 year old pirate ghost, a bunch of more incidents of 'cultural enrichment' and their transformation will be complete
rozumiemnic 8 | 3,586    
13 Mar 2018  #346
They're both cucked so they might as well be one and the same.

you are really not making yourself sound any more intelligent you know...:)
OP Atch 15 | 2,440    
13 Mar 2018  #347
name 5 things that are completely different between the two countries.

Well you wouldn't see this in England:

youtube.com/watch?v=OvrVxB0Dp-0
Dirk diggler 7 | 3,404    
13 Mar 2018  #348
Let's see what some online communities think:

reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/736tv9/hello_from_ireland_how_cucked_this_country_is_in
twitter.com/irelandiscucked?lang=en
supforums.com/thread/98784117/politics/is-ireland-cucked-or-redpilled-does-ireland-have.html
boards.4chan.org/pol
4chan about the unprecedented levels of cucks in once conservative Christian Ireland
mafketis 16 | 5,897    
13 Mar 2018  #349
the language

English is the overwhelmingly dominant language in both and that is unlikely to change (especially in Ireland)

the religion

Maybe, how religious are the Irish now? AFAICT the UK is mostly formerly Christian post religiou except for maybe a small practicing christian minority and a muslim minority and a few smaller groups

What percentage of Irish go to church regularly, abstain from meat on fridays, go to confession, are against state sanctioned divorce?

What do you mean by culture and howare they different? In comparative value surveys I think they're pretty similar except that the Irish show lower individualism (more or a preference for larger families)

landmass, they're both part of the british isles...
rozumiemnic 8 | 3,586    
13 Mar 2018  #350
What do you mean by culture

if you are not sure, google it..:)]

and Maf, you are already guilty of a lazy stereotype...

In the Republic of Ireland, under the Constitution of Ireland, both languages have official status, with Irish being the national and first official language
Dirk diggler 7 | 3,404    
13 Mar 2018  #351
Yes yes we all know the flag and people are a little different. However, the economies (in terms of per capita GDP/PPP), the political systems (mainly because UK pwns Ireland ever since IRA gave up the good fight and now there's hardly any real resistance to British dominance), the societies, etc are all very very similar. To top it off, like UK, France, Germany, Sweden, etc. they've also taken in parasitic migrants who only came for the benefits and free housing - much to the millions of citizens' dismay. Just like the case with that little village - if 93% said they don't want migrants why are they even still discussing this? The people clearly said they don't want em in their town yet now the lefty eurocrats will try to negotiate to squeeze in just a few and just by doing that they can later put more in, those 10 will turn into 30 within 5 10 years as they breed like rabbits, and you'll soon have terror, rapes, murders, etc in a tiny town that use to be crime free.... happens all over Germany wherever the genius Merkel forced small towns to grow their population by double digit percentages - all with migrants who don't want to work, assimilate, etc. I fear that Ireland is in the process of going through this stage which I call 'being cucked'
rozumiemnic 8 | 3,586    
13 Mar 2018  #352
and how would you know that exactly dirk?
Have you ever lived in either country?
Dirk diggler 7 | 3,404    
13 Mar 2018  #353
I've been in UK quite a few times for work, travel, and to visit family. First time I was there was around 2004 and while it wasn't the prettiest city or one of my top European destinations, but nonetheless certain parts were enjoyable and I found British people very friendly, kind, and good humored. But in the past 5 years there's less and less jolly Brits and more and more neckbeards and ninjas - even the mayor! I've only been to Ireland once and it's far far far more beautiful thank UK. Even the grass and soil has this sort of shade of green that's a bit different than rest of Europe.
rozumiemnic 8 | 3,586    
13 Mar 2018  #354
so that will be a no, then..:)

the mayor is a Londoner...from Tooting I think.
mafketis 16 | 5,897    
13 Mar 2018  #355
you are already guilty of a lazy stereotype...

boo hooo

I'll assume you mean 'culture' in the socio-anthropological sense and compare the two as they scored in the international values survey pioneered by Geert Hofstede

Anyway, in turns of comparative values, according to Hofstede's framework Ireland and the UK are overall pretty similar with significant differences in just 2 of the 6 dimensions measured

individualism - Ireland is about two standard deviations below the UK (meaning they're traditionally have bigger families and group loyalties are a little more important)

long term orientation - Ireland is about two standard deviations below the UK (meaning that the Irish value (religious) Truth over secular Virtue and are more interested in the past and present rather than in making longterm plans for the future.

where I would expect Ireland to differ (Uncertainty avoidance) due to Ireland's catholic past.... they have the same scores.

So... a little different, hardly completely different.
Dirk diggler 7 | 3,404    
13 Mar 2018  #356
the mayor is a Londoner

Yeah cuz Sadiq Khan is such a British name...

If there wasn't an invasion of ninjas and neckbeards such a candidate would never have a chance. However, due to the now potent UK leftist agenda, which then snowballs into taking in migrants and beefing up its numbers to where they are able to field candidates known to have ties with radical Islam and not only that but win... well that's a society that is in trouble and who's people have no will to fight. Even the supposed hardcore British 'firms' in Marseilles promptly got their asses handed to them by proper Slavic warriors. If UK made Nigel Farange dictator and king for life, than maybe just maybe the islands would have a chance. Till then, Brits will marry 300 year old pirates, force people to get licenses to watch sports, vote in radical Muslims to lead their capital, allow sharia courts to be set up, and Brits will gradually lose their sense of identity, culture, and eventually will to perpetuate their great society that their ancestors fought bled and died for.
rozumiemnic 8 | 3,586    
13 Mar 2018  #357
Dirk honestly the more you say, the thicker you sound.
I suppose you know a bit about the British empire..i suppose...
.
Dirk diggler 7 | 3,404    
13 Mar 2018  #358
I actually do, very sad that they lost all those possessions and have been reduced to a tiny island. They managed to defeat Nazi Germany but couldn't prevent a couple tribes with 1 foot still in the stone age from revolting... Well, when you have generals that wear skirts I guess its expected

You can call it whatever you like. I call it reality and the truth. I don't write things that can't be easily verified and proven.
rozumiemnic 8 | 3,586    
13 Mar 2018  #359
..just think if it wasn't for Britain, you wouldn't even be "speaking" English...lol
OP Atch 15 | 2,440    
13 Mar 2018  #360
I think we're wandering a bit too far off topic here.

@Maf I'm surprised you genuinely don't know the differences. Ireland is nothing like England, really.@Dirk diggler

if 93% said they don't want migrants why are they even still discussing this? The people clearly said they don't want em in their town

You're distorting the facts. The people of Lisdoonvarna are kind and decent people and said no such thing. In fact they've been very upset by the appearance of far right groups from Dublin, some of whom are not even Irish and who have turned up in the village plastering it with leaflets and offending the locals. The people are quite prepared to take thirty, they don't want the possible max of 115 who could possibly end up there, not because they're 'foreign' but because the village is too small. There may be no more than 70 actually, and there will be no single males, only families and mothers with children. The government has given that undertaking. They will also not remain permanently in the village but will be dispersed as their applications are dealt with.




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