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How would Poland change for the better (or worse) under a PiS government?


Dougpol1 30 | 2,936
23 Oct 2015  #1
I suggest for many it would get much worse, with archaic catholic nonsense to the fore, and business being taxed and curtailed at every turn.

I myself have put up the barriers against the possible new regime. They will have to get a court order to raid my premises.

I have barred gates at front and back, and entry only by electronic means.
My home has double front door with steel plating, so good luck with that Mr policeman. We all know how you love to get that ramrod out of your van and attempt illegal forced entry you scum.

My prediction is that it is going to get rough folks.
Crow 137 | 7,589
23 Oct 2015  #2
Its maybe right time that representative of PiS visit general Radislav Krstic. What i heard he is in one prison in Poland and he is willing, i am sure.

My prediction is that it is going to get rough folks.

i think that i can dare to say that we have chance to survive this game. There is small window of opportunity.

Doug, in my opinion, next year is critical. Expect braking news
Grzegorz_ 51 | 6,163
23 Oct 2015  #3
I suggest for many it would get much worse

Yawn... One might wonder that some crap is just afraid of psycho test for English "teachers"....
Polonius3 1,000 | 12,448
23 Nov 2015  #4
Merged: Min. Morawiecki to boost Polish entrepreneurship

Mateusz Morawiecki, 47, as Dep. PM and Development Min., intends to actively promote Polish entrepreneurship, something Balcerowicz should have done rather than selling off Polish indusrtial assets to foreign capital for a song. His dad is the legendary anti-communist underground fighter Kornel Morawiecki, now Senior Marshal of the Sejm. Mateusz has followed in his father's footsteps and was involved in the anti-communist student movement and produced samizdat literature. This year he gave up a top post in the Satander-owned WBK bank (earning some 3 mln zł a year) to serve Poland which he regards as an honour. Not too many people like that about! He intends to support small, medium and large Polish firms to move up into more advanced technology (away from unprocessed or semi-processed goods). That will require training more skilled employees, boost exports and lead to flourishing companies which can afford to pay higher taxes. Morawiecki looks forward to a GDP of 4%.

rp.pl/Rzad-PiS/311229908-Morawiecki-Ekonomia-ma-sluzyc-obywatelom.html
delphiandomine 83 | 17,626
9 Dec 2015  #5
Merged: Unemployment rises in Poland

Tut tut. PiS have only been in power for one month and already we see a rise in unemployment in Poland.

In other news, exchange rates are now dropping like a brick.

1EUR = 4.35PLN
1CHF = 4.01PLN

Markets clearly aren't happy with PiS.
Levi 12 | 450
10 Dec 2015  #6
I suggest for many it would get much worse, with archaic catholic nonsense to the fore, and business being taxed and curtailed at every turn.

So you prefer your Muslim Sharia Law to be implemented in Poland, since you on other threads openly defend it?

Interesting...
jon357 63 | 14,122
10 Dec 2015  #7
In other news, exchange rates are now dropping like a brick.

As ever, it's good for some of us but not others. And no, the markets definitely do not trust the Kaczynskists.
Polonius3 1,000 | 12,448
10 Dec 2015  #8
1EUR = 4.35PLN
1CHF = 4.01PLN

That's just paper play money. You forgot the world's only true, valuable adn credible currency: In God We Tru$t!

for many it would get much worse

Indeed, for scammers, bribe-takers and lustration liars it may get worse.
For foreign bankers and retailers finally forced to pay their fair share of taxes ditto. But at long last Poland now has a truly Polish party at the helm, not paid goons in the service of foreign big-money interersts. Poland is not for the "markets" as the crypto-criminal fringe of speculators and exploiters are often referred to but for the average, hard-working and usually cash-strapped Pole. It is for families with children (500 zł) and poor families whose kids cannot be sent to an orphanage simply because of poverty. It is protection of Polish farmland which will not as easily as before falll into foreign hands via strawmen. It is about promoting history, culture and Polish heritage as at least a partial antidote to the cheap, tacky popculture junk flooding the country. It is about saving jobs rather than increasing unemployment because behind each job is a home, schoolchildren and a family trying to make ends meet. And it is about cleaning up the mess left by PO and leading to a Poland guided by the traditonal values encapsulated in the time-honoured motto: Bóg, Honor, Ojczyzna!
Ziemowit 12 | 3,470
10 Dec 2015  #9
PiS have only been in power for one month and already we see a rise in unemployment in Poland.

What sort of rise is it?
Polonius3 1,000 | 12,448
10 Dec 2015  #10
rise in unemployment

Maybe they're cutting back on fatcat bureaucrats at long last. Send them all into public works programmes to perform concrete tasks rather than getting overpaid for shuffling papers, texting and playing computer games.
NocyMrok
10 Dec 2015  #11
Priority is Polska keeps it's own currency otherwise our progress will get severly limited and additionally going Eurozone would mean even more gain for Germany that has more than 3 trillion Euro in "savings in debts" due to being basically only country that is able to lend (on interest) huge amounts of money to other countries and still refuses to change it's import/export policy which works on abusing less advanced members of the EU. Mostly Southern Europe (their policy literally destroyed Greece and allowed Germany to decide for them). Luckilly we are of big importance now and the Union can't even force the Euro currency on us. I believe we were supposed to introduce Euro in 2009 first, then 2012, then 2015 and now not earlier than 2020. EU can't do anything about it. Poor 4th Reich.
Harry
10 Dec 2015  #12
That's just paper play money.

What a despicable thing to say. The vast majority of people who had to buy their property in Warsaw on the open market and thus pay the going rate for that property during the last couple of decades have mortgages in foreign currencies (usually CHF but some still in USD) and to them that is not just "paper play money". The drop in the value of the zloty since the 18%-regime took power has left some people wondering if they are going to pay the mortgage or buy their kids a winter coat this year, but you just sneer at them and their problems.
milky 13 | 1,657
10 Dec 2015  #13
Without proper church-state separation nothing good can happen. Unless you want to be a European Iran.
delphiandomine 83 | 17,626
10 Dec 2015  #14
The vast majority of people who had to buy their property in Warsaw on the open market and thus pay the going rate for that property during the last couple of decades have mortgages in foreign currencies (usually CHF but some still in USD) and to them that is not just "paper play money".

I imagine most people weren't so fortunate as to have access to large properties at knock-down prices.

I know someone who has a very modest flat (just under 60sqm) with a CHF mortgage and he's wondering exactly what he's going to do if the PLN drops even further against the CHF. It's a flat in a 1970's commie block in a normal part of the city, so not exactly someone wealthy.

I'm fortunate that my mortgage is in PLN, but many others aren't in the same boat. Polonius sneering at them shows that he's every bit of the elite that he claims to hate so much.

Merged: PiS to cancel road building contracts

As we all said, PiS will gain power, then destroy the country piece by piece. PO were embarking on a second wave of road construction that would give us a modern road network by 2020, but now, they plan to cancel the contracts signed by PO to save cash to pay for their unrealistic election promises. What a surprise.

wyborcza.biz/biznes/1,100896,19326348,adamczyk-wciaz-analizujemy-program-budowy-drog.html?biznes=local#BoxBizLink

Obviously, the aim is to leave the country stuck in the 1980's - make it more difficult to travel, easier to control the people.
Grzegorz_ 51 | 6,163
11 Dec 2015  #15
the aim is to leave the country stuck in the 1980's

Wrong. It's back to 966. They will move the capital back to Gniezno.

make it more difficult to travel, easier to control the people.

Wait till they ban the cars. It's the best time to invest in horses.
OP Dougpol1 30 | 2,936
11 Dec 2015  #16
the aim is to leave the country stuck in the 1980's

Yes, if I understand it correctly they would be looking to cancel the proposed S6 East to West Pomeranian highway from Gdansk east to Berlin.

That road through Slupsk and Koszalin is an absolute death trap and a blight on poor people's living standards, those who live adjacent to what is now a main country east-west route..

Please tell me this isn't so.
delphiandomine 83 | 17,626
11 Dec 2015  #17
Of course it's so. The S6 runs through PO country and PiS will punish them for being that way. The S19 from Rzeszów to Lublin on the other hand...
Crow 137 | 7,589
11 Dec 2015  #18
PO were embarking on a second wave of road construction that would give us a modern road network by 2020

There is cheaper and more expensive road building technology. What technology PO suggested? The construction of a single kilometer of highway in traditional technology costs EUR 7 million on average, while using fly ash cost between EUR 1.4 and 1.8 million per kilometer. Quality is about same or even better in fly ash tech.
Polonius3 1,000 | 12,448
11 Dec 2015  #19
PiS will punish them

That sounds like someone saying: PO's annual picnic was rained out. The TV weatherman was in cahoots with PiS.
Harry
11 Dec 2015  #20
That road through Slupsk and Koszalin is an absolute death trap

It is (I've driven it myself far too often). But the good people of Slupsk elected (and continue to support) an openly gay man as their mayor: what did they think PIS would do?
Polonius3 1,000 | 12,448
11 Dec 2015  #21
PiS to cancel road building contracts

If they're anything like what the Platformers have done to date, that may be the best option.
Did they again plan to run failed tenders, hire cheapie Chinamen and others who pulled out in mid-project so the roadwork was not finished in time for Euro 2012. Who has friends like the Platfomers needs no enemies!
delphiandomine 83 | 17,626
11 Dec 2015  #22
If they're anything like what the Platformers have done to date, that may be the best option.

The best option is not to build roads? That's a new one for me!
Polonius3 1,000 | 12,448
11 Dec 2015  #23
The best option

No, to cancel any contracts PO had in their grimy hands because it's a foregone conclusion they must be flawed, defective, ill-considered, illegal, uneconomical or otherwise unadvisable.
jon357 63 | 14,122
11 Dec 2015  #24
a foregone conclusion they must b

That or a vital infrastructure development in a region that rejects PiS
Ironside 48 | 9,705
11 Dec 2015  #25
I suggest for many it would get much worse

Hopefully they had this coming.

anyway it is too early to say anything. We will see.
delphiandomine 83 | 17,626
11 Dec 2015  #26
No, to cancel any contracts PO had in their grimy hands because it's a foregone conclusion they must be flawed, defective, ill-considered, illegal, uneconomical or otherwise unadvisable.

Or simply that PiS is diverting money from infrastructure to pay for their subsidies to the rich - cutting the retirement age (ensuring that pensions go down by 30%), increasing the tax free amount (helping the richest in Poland) and giving 500zł to rich families with more than 1 child.

You don't need to dress it up in any other way Polonius - we know that PiS are attempting to bribe the electorate at the expense of everything else.
Legal Eagle
12 Dec 2015  #27
Maybe they're cutting back on fatcat bureaucrats at long last.

Another communist era legacy that allowed politicians a place to reward their cronies. The bureaucracy is legion, and everyone hates it. To many paper-pushers requiring too many stamps to do anything worth doing.
Polonius3 1,000 | 12,448
12 Dec 2015  #28
communist era legac

PO came to power pledging to slash red-tape and create "jedno okienko" where businesses could take care of all their issues. It turns out that the army of bureaucrats has bloated significantly leaving PiS a real mess to deal with.
pweeg
12 Dec 2015  #29
Another communist era legacy that allowed politicians a place to reward their cronies.

A legacy that PiS happily expliotted by sacking the cronies and putting PiS cronies in their place.
I still trying to understand how heads security could be political appointments.
Borsukrates 5 | 131
12 Dec 2015  #30
Kornel Morawiecki

While Kornel Morawiecki was in Solidarność Walcząca, he planned to blow up a police station (komenda milicji). His plans failed. So he decided to burn the SB (Służba Bezpieczeństwa, secret police) chief's holiday villa. They burnt down somebody else's villa by mistake.

Kornal Morawiecki says: "Good of nation is more important than law." This is close to Carl Schmitt, who orchestrated Hitler's coming to power.

Polonius, Crown & company: please provide more POSITIVE examples. Saying "not this, not that, PO this, PO that" is living in the past. It seems that what PiS declares and what it actually does is very different.





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