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British senior politician compares Poland to South Africa during apartheid


Harry
11 Jun 2012 #91
I've personally been in in the stand at a First division match and listened to UK fans make monkey sounds at Black players for most of the match.

Must have been a while ago if you're calling it the First Division.

you continue to slander Poland again by using lies and manipulation("Poland is denying racism existence")

Poles who know about racism in football disagree with you and agree with me. Denial of the problem is a serious limiting factor when it comes to dealing with the problem.
OP gregy741 5 | 1,232
11 Jun 2012 #92
i know your kind Harry too well to know what it is behind your pro tolerance campaign
you are just too happy to see something bad about Poland and now jumping to join this slander and defamation in order to satisfy your racist anti-polish nature

you people make me sick
Harry
11 Jun 2012 #93
you are just too happy to see something bad about Poland and now jumping to join this slander and defamation in order to satisfy your racist anti-polish nature

If I really hated Poles, I wouldn't be calling for something to be done about the problem Poland has with racism: I'd just sit back and let the racist idiots make Poland look bad.

Oh, and I wouldn't have spent years working for the good of Poland, wouldn't choose to live in Poland, wouldn't chose to pay my taxes in Poland, wouldn't chose spend almost all my time with Poles and wouldn't have a Polish partner. You haven't really thought through your accusation that I am anti-Polish, have you?
monia 3 | 212
11 Jun 2012 #94
As for the hoolies, we don't need the BBC to know we have a problem. But the problem isn't racial violence, it is simply violence. Considering the August London events, the UK unfortunately doesn't have any know-how we could use.

Exactly ! Good post , thank you .

Krakow, June 6, 2012.

As an American-born Jew living happily and safely in Poland and working
diligently to build Jewish life in that country, I am furious at the way the BBC
has exploited me as a source. The organization used me and others to
manipulate the serious subject of anti-Semitism for its own sensationalist
agenda; in doing so, the BBC has insulted all Polish people and done a
disservice to the growing, thriving Jewish community of Poland.

I have reason to believe the BBC similarly misrepresented the black African
football players it used as sources in the same programme.

Moreover, the BBC knowingly cheated its own audience - the British people
- by concocting a false horror story about Poland. In doing so, the BBC has
spread fear, ignorance, prejudice and hatred.

He describes BBC as manipulators and cheaters !!!!!!!!
jon357 74 | 21,770
11 Jun 2012 #95
As for the hoolies, we don't need the BBC to know we have a problem.

Erm, as I recall, Panorama isn't actually shown in Poland

Given the August London events, the UK unfortunately doesn't have any know-how we could use

Given the great success that the English Football Association has had in sorting out hooliganism, I would suggest there's a lot of know how. Know how that Poland and Ukraine evidently lack.
peterweg 37 | 2,311
11 Jun 2012 #96
Must have been a while ago if you're calling it the First Division.

Don't know what it was called. It was about 5 years ago and the last match I went to. I've only been to three Uk football matches in my life, so I'm not an expert
4 eigner 2 | 831
11 Jun 2012 #97
racism

Generally saying, racism became a very cheap word nowadays.

A girl who wouldn't sleep with a black guy is a racist. Whoever is against Obama and hates rap and hip hop is a racist.

C'mon guys, what about personal preferences???
What if one is simply not sexually attracted to another races?
What if one doesn't like Obama simply because he sucks as a president?
What if one hates rap and hip hop, simply because it's a terrible "music"?. All they do is talking instead to sing and most of what they say, doesn't make any sense or is insulting and vulgar.

De gustibus non est disputandum !!!
Harry
11 Jun 2012 #98
What if one is simply not sexually attracted to another races?

I wouldn't say that is in itself racist (although it is somewhat unlikely that one is only attracted to one's own race for reasons other than racist reasons).

What if one doesn't like Obama simply because he sucks as a president?

As long as that is the reason and the fact that he's black doesn't factor in at all, of course one isn't racist!

What if one hates rap and hip hop, simply because it's a terrible "music"?.

If one has listened to Polish rap and hip hop, one knows that the worst of the genre is usually made by white men (although if one has listened to Welsh rap and hip hop, one also knows that the very best of the genre is made by Welshmen), either way it doesn't make one racist.
jon357 74 | 21,770
11 Jun 2012 #99
None of those examples you give are actually racism. However much you think or pretend it has become a 'cheap word' doesn't for one minute impact on the fact that it is one of the worst behaviours of Homo Sapiens.
Grzegorz_ 51 | 6,149
11 Jun 2012 #100
it has become a cheap word largely because your kind tend to constantly abuse it using it as an offensive weapon against people/nations you don't like for some reason, for example for not being lefty nutters.
4 eigner 2 | 831
11 Jun 2012 #101
I wouldn't say that is in itself racist (although it is somewhat unlikely that one is only attracted to one's own race for reasons other than racist reasons).

You're a smart guy, Harry but you need to delete your statement (above) before anyone will actually read it (LOL)

As long as that is the reason and the fact that he's black doesn't factor in at all, of course one isn't racist!

Yeah but the thing is, that people are being judged before they even get a chance to explain it and in most cases, even after they explain it, no one really believes it and still calls them racists.

None of those examples you give are actually racism. However much you think or pretend it has become a 'cheap word' doesn't for one minute impact on the fact that it is one of the worst behaviours of Homo Sapiens.

Thank you for agreeing with me, Jon but don't forget that this "behavior" is as old as humanity and so, as long as it's just words and not actions, why worry about it? Most of us just say things but will never really do any of it. Let people talk, words are cheap, who cares.
WielkiPolak 56 | 1,008
11 Jun 2012 #102
What if a black person votes a guy in for president because they are black? Is that racism?
Harry
11 Jun 2012 #103
You're a smart guy, Harry but you need to delete your statement (above) before anyone will actually read it (LOL)

When I say "racist reasons" I mean 'thinking that people of another racist are inferior to one's own race'.
4 eigner 2 | 831
11 Jun 2012 #104
What if a black person votes a guy in for president because they are black? Is that racism?

Well, according to Harry's statement above (#98), it is racism, very likely, Right, Harry ;-)

When I say "racist reasons" I mean 'thinking that people of another racist are inferior to one's own race'

what about sex appeal, Harry?
WielkiPolak 56 | 1,008
11 Jun 2012 #105
I dunno. It seems not voting for Obama for being black is terribly wrong but voting for him because he is black, well who cares, it was a once in a lifetime opportunity, nothing wrong with it.
jon357 74 | 21,770
11 Jun 2012 #106
your kind

lefty nutters

As soon as trolls start using phrases like that, we know they have nothing really to say. But in fact we knew that anyway.

Thank you for agreeing with me, Jon but don't forget that this "behavior" is as old as humanity and so, as long as it's just words and not actions, why worry about it? Most of us just say things but will never really do any of it. Let people talk, words are cheap, who cares.

I don't agree with you, as well you know. Not only is your statement inaccurate; it is also disingenuous.mwords are not 'cheap' and words and actions reinforce each other. There is only one race, and racist behaviour must be stopped, decisively and right away.
Grzegorz_ 51 | 6,149
11 Jun 2012 #107
As soon as trolls start using phrases like that, we know they have nothing really to say.

How else should I call someone, who get overjoyed because of an air crash killing 96 only because among them was a politician, who was not lefty... You think it's normal ? I don't.
jon357 74 | 21,770
11 Jun 2012 #108
Again, you're avoiding the issue. Though I do feel, and so do quite a few Poles I know, that the world is better off without Lech Kaczynski. His passing is not to be mourned.

To get back to the issue, how do you think Poland should tackle the horrendous problems it has with racism in football?
Harry
11 Jun 2012 #109
how do you think Poland should tackle the horrendous problems it has with racism in football?

Hmm, what might Greg do:
a) deny there is any problem;
b) blame the reporting of the supposedly non-existent problem on the British/Jews;
c) claim that while Poland has no problem with racism, the British/Jews do;
d) bang on about the supposed events at Yalta and/or how Jews have always hated Poles;
e) all of the above.
Ironside 53 | 12,364
11 Jun 2012 #110
Taking horrendous pish ?

What if a black person votes a guy in for president because they are black? Is that racism?

You must be redneck. Sure he/she is not racist. An average racist is a white male and some females, i.e. a black male or female cannot be racist, also in case of a white Jewish male whether he is or not a racist depends on circumstances.
jon357 74 | 21,770
11 Jun 2012 #111
So how exactly does that impact on Polish football racism?
Varsovian 91 | 634
11 Jun 2012 #112
Though I do feel, and so do quite a few Poles I know, that the world is better off without Lech Kaczynski. His passing is not to be mourned.

What a funny little man you are! You could happily say the same thing about Lenin, Stalin, Hitler and Mao - but this is ridiculous and in exceptionally poor taste.

Given the great success that the English Football Association has had in sorting out hooliganism, I would suggest there's a lot of know how. Know how that Poland and Ukraine evidently lack.

I chatted with people at the Leicester University centre on football hooliganism - clever people, and they have to deal with a substantially greater problem. Don't forget though that England only really got moving after 150 people died. Poland has yet to catch up in terms of fatalities caused in part through crowd management issues, part through football culture issues.

Redneck - I would include the management at secondary schools in England that strangely didn't want to know about my Polish wife's teaching abilities. That's racism.
jon357 74 | 21,770
11 Jun 2012 #113
I don't recall any of the dictators you mention living in Warsaw and affecting my life, but there we go, troll away if you wish. Significant though that the more avowedly conservative someone is on here, the more likely they are to be abusive and insulting - its called Internet deindividuation, and you'd never dare insult me to my face.

Interesting that you contacted Leicester University, who are indeed knowledgeable about the way England solved its football racism problems. It took a lot, but was effective. Here we have yet to see one iota of success in this matter.

Anyway, that is getting away from the issue - a critical issue when European politicians are calling for boycotts and there are already sanctions on the country's main team. How do you propose the issue be solved?
kondzior 11 | 1,046
11 Jun 2012 #114
Given the great success that the English Football Association has had in sorting out hooliganism, I would suggest there's a lot of know how. Know how that Poland and Ukraine evidently lack.

And London riots evidently shown how trustworthy that knowledge is, and how it successfully was put to use.
jon357 74 | 21,770
11 Jun 2012 #115
London riots

I'm not sure how your mind connects that to football - presumably one of various failed attempts to hijack the thread away from the real issue - the racism in Polish football and how it should be stopped.
kondzior 11 | 1,046
11 Jun 2012 #116
There is no such a thing as racism in polish football. It is just a wild claim, concocted by BBC. What we have are just football hooligans, not even comparable to the british ones (London riots anyone?)
teflcat 5 | 1,032
11 Jun 2012 #117
There is no such a thing as racism in polish football. It is just a wild claim, concocted by BBC.

Why would the BBC concoct racism in Polish football? To show off their skills at faking TV footage?

(London riots anyone?)

What have the riots got to do with football?
kondzior 11 | 1,046
11 Jun 2012 #118
kondzior:
There is no such a thing as racism in polish football. It is just a wild claim, concocted by BBC.

Why would the BBC concoct racism in Polish football? To show off their skills at faking TV footage?

Do I have to re-write all the stuff that is not on this page?
British senior politician compares Poland to South Africa during apartheid

kondzior:
(London riots anyone?)

What have the riots got to do with football?

It has everything to do with hooligans.
teflcat 5 | 1,032
11 Jun 2012 #119
Do I have to re-write all the stuff that is not on this fage?

No, no, that's not necessary. I'd just like to be sure that you really believe what you say, i.e. There is no such thing as racism in Polish football. I've heard all kinds of things from people in denial, but it is hard for me to believe that any intelligent person who lives in Poland could actually say and believe this.
kondzior 11 | 1,046
11 Jun 2012 #120
Why dont you just call me a fool?


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