How will BREXIT affect the immigrants in UK and Poland.

No, they really didn't. There is a lot of evidence (anecdotal, of course) that a great many people who voted for Brexit believed that the Remain camp would win, and that they voted as a protest in the hope of reform while being broadly in favour of the EU in principle. Add in lazy young people who didn't bother switching off Big Brother to go and vote, and I believe the will of the people was not represented in the vote. I'm not complaining. I don't live there and I accept the outcome, but I think it's an unmitigated disaster that could have been avoided.

Well I am not old nor uneducated and neither is my wife. We both voted leave, leave meaning hard brexit, not semi in but leave. It it was no protest vote either.

How's that working out for you ? What a tremendous decision eh ?

@cms
It's no different the before the vote, not that ude know anything anyway.

I know how to spell.

@cms
That's good. Now your opinion on my reply., the part where I say its no different than before and you knowing nothing about.

If you read the Daily Mail. Try changing some GBP.

I know something about Brexit.

Primarily that it is a stupid idea , that none of the politicians who supported it are willing or able to implement it, that it is already having severe detrimental effects on the UK economy, that it has made it impossible to pass any laws in the UK due to another chaotic election and a coalition without a clear majority; and I know that the money that it was supposed to save will now not materialise.

I know that these half baked ideas appealed mostly to senile people, bigots and the uneducated.

@Roger5
Like you say, you don't live here. Another who knows nothing.

I don't live in Elizabethan London, either, but I can give a fair lecture on the metaphysical poets. Now you are just getting nasty.

Tell us what you know then - let me guess, it will include the words mainstream media, unelected bureaucrats, migrants, Brussels tyrants, straight bananas et cetera

@cms

What ! Put your brain in gear first before you talk more babble.

What severe effect is that, show me.
What laws haven't been passed, show me.
The money, again show me.

A huge drop in the value of the pound since the referendum was announced; as a result the highest inflation for five years; an immediate increase of 20 billion in the government borrowing requirements in October 2016 and I suggest you wait for the budget later in November when this figure will be increased considerably - that's money that UK taxpayers your children and your grandchildren will have to pay in the future; economic growth that has slowed from being one of the best performers in Europe to just about the worst.

As for laws that have been passed - I cannot think of any major good laws implemented by the government since June 2016 - maybe the thing about tax credits? The rest of the time has been wasted in political infighting, a senseless election and bribing the voters of Northern Ireland. On her first day in office May made a speech about how she was going to address all of the burning injustices in British life - none of those promises has been addressed at all.

In 2008 the uk economy crashed, the labour government bailed out banks to the cost of billions, the uk gold reserves were sold off at a cheap rate. Being in the EU protects you from nothing. European countries have huge unemployment, German leaders acted alone in inviting million into Europe.

As long as you wave the right flag and play the right anthem, all is good.

The first sentence is corrrect but how does leaving the EU resolve that ? How will exiting the largest single market in the world, making things far more difficult for your exporters and devastating your main industry stop that happening again?

The Germans did not invite the migrants to Europe - they came up with a poor solution to an existing problem. An important reason for the migrants is The chaos caused by the wars in the middle east, in which the UK was an enthusiastic participant

@cms

Oh yes they did. Merkel clearly said shed take anyone who made it to Germany.

Everyone in UK knew there'd be immediate economic downtown with brexit. They will nonetheless recover and no longer by subject to all of EU's diktats. As long as they end up actually leaving and not pussyfoot around for years.

A problem the creating themselves by not defending EU borders and including countries like Greece and Italy by direct and indirect means to stop them from to kicking all illegals out and to keep them out. To do such an obvious thing as arresting all human smugglers on the spot.

letting illegals in on a huge scale was a beginning of the problem because for each illegal already in Europe there is 100 back where he came from packing his backpack and downloading maps on his iPhone.

@Roger, Cameron was soundly defeated by his opposition, Farage along with Boris Johnson leading the trumpet section, and indeed the Brits, at least a majority of the ENGLISH, did to be sure vote for Brexit!!

The Brexit campaign did not mention any economic downturn - in fact they said Brits would be better off. This and all the other lies were taken down from their website the day after the vote.

Can you find some quote from Merkel inviting a million refugees ? Even though you are single issue migrant obsessives, I doubt you can find that.

Farage is I believe now presenting a radio show. Boris Johnson is putting in a terrible performance as foreign minister as the UKs influence in the world is plummeting. May has an impossible job ahead of her cleaning up the mess made by these clowns and the gullible voters.

Not exactly en masse, though, was it? As for that sleaze Johnson, he was a europhile all his life up to that vote. According to a Labour peer he recently admitted that he went to the Brexit side to thwart his old rival Cameron. He has no principles other that what will benefit himself. Anyway, it's beer o'clock and showtime, so I'm out of here.

And the remain campaign was almost entirely about money which alienated many people.


Can you find a quote where she said she admitted she had a poor solution to an existing problem? How did they end up in Germany? Magic?


first, then why are they in Germany rather than the UK?,

second, cry me a river. afghan, syrian and iraqi 'refugees' who are young men of fighting age need to join what they think is the least bad side and try to improve their countries (crapholes the lot of them) rather than expect Europe to feed them, if there are no bad sides then they should abjure their rotten cultures and do their best to assimilate in every way possible to their new environment.

If the English had their attitude at Dunkirk you'd be writing here in German.

@cms

They will be better off in the long term. Naturally such a referendum scares investors and the markets. They will recover and be subject to less rules, at home competition, being more picky on who to let in, etc. London is going to remain one of the two capitals of the financial world they'll be fine lol belive me

Its because its the SINGLE MOST IMPORTANT ISSUE which will have lasting impacts for decades to come. We are at a major crossroads here. The migrants (along with their kids) are the ones causing all the rapes, terror attacks, driving vans into crowds, living off welfare, causing a 2 year state of emergency in France, groping hundreds if not thousands of women in Germany, causing the Sweden rape stats to skyrocket by thousands of percent within a span of a few short years,


What a person says and what they do are often two different things.... we can see clearly that Merkel welcomed economic migrants, not just refugees, from all over the Middle East and Africa - not just places like Eritrea, Syria, Afghanistan, etc.

Merkel speech: Refugees must be helped whether we want to or not... 'Whoever wants to come here for economic reasons, (you can, but) you cannot stay long term

youtube.com/watch?v=6VdzvY4vlAw

It was first supposed to be refugees - but then as we all know the words refugee and migrant became totally interchangeable. A real refugee doesn't care what country he or she goes to - as long as its safe. Hence, why Poles walked ON FOOT from Siberia to Iran. Those are real refugees. The Royingha fleeing Myanmar to go to Bangladesh are refugees. The young men froming from all over Africa and middle east, most of whom are coming from countries where there is no war, but plenty of poverty, are not refugees but economic migrants. They chose Germany specifically because of the welfare system. It is more money than they'd ever make back home. When Denmark cut welfare benefits to migrants thousands of them immediately left. A real refugee would not have - they would be happy to be in a safe civilized country and not care what the welfare is.

Other cool vids:
Pegida On Rise As Germany Divided Over Refugees - from 2015 (oh how much the far right has grown, those people in this 2015 video could've never predicted AfD's fantastic success)

youtube.com/watch?v=pXD0PGHFTVA

'Get Out!' Merkel booed at protest while attending German Unity Day ceremony
youtube.com/watch?v=2kpnv8Y1Yxg

Does Islam belong in Germany? 61% say NO! Merkel warns nationalism returning to Germany
youtube.com/watch?v=8NhG5KDdzVI

Austria has woken up too. There's a rid pill for everyone.

Almost every word you write is incorrect - Brexit will screw London hard as the banks lose their passport if right and the free movement of capital with the EU is curtailed. It is already costing thousands of jobs in London that are going to Dublin and Frankfurt. That is why the govt is begging for an extension to the negotiating period - they know it is an economic disaster.

As for "less rules" then in order to keep exporting to the EU currently 45% of exports, then they will need to follow the EU rules anyway, except now that they will not have any say in the formulation of those rules.

Investors and the markets are scared because Brexit is a moronic idea that nobody is able to implement in a sensible way.

migration being the biggest issue ever is clearly your belief but for most people here it is way down the list - after employment, living standards, the health service, the constitution etc. The danger from migrants is far less than the danger from Trump and Putin.

Tell that to the good people of Rotherham....

@cms
I agree with you in all points except migrants. uncontrolled-undocumented migration is dangerous. If you can't identify them you can't punish them.....scary.

Mafketis@

Rotheram is not good example- lots of these rapists were born in UK- but political correctness and a bit British 'culture' that if you brush problem under the carpet it does not exist caused it.

They are criminals but Police,local authorities did nothing to resolve it which I find disgusting!.

So... it's the native British population's fault?

My point was that if something doesn't directly affect EU elites (or their supporters like cms) they assume it doesn't affect anyone or that it's the fault of those affected and not bad policy decision by elites.

Employment living standards housing are migrant problems. The migrant areas have 30% unemployment. The blocks are crumbling. Housing is expensive.

London is old money. They will b fine lol believe me. This is a brief temporary shock maybe up to 5 years after and they'll start growing again. The economy goes in peaks and vallies. They'll still be far wealthier than most other EU countries. They get to take back their market yet still export British goods of which there are many. Either way Brits voted to leave so it.makes lil difference just hopefully they can stop the bs and just sign a few trade deals w whoever wants to with them (of which there will be many countries including even Poland us saudi Kuwaiti etc money) London is like a NYC and UK like a mini us with a euro flavor. They'll be fine

Right - rip up a perfect trade agreement with the 27 democracies next door and start to negotiate new ones with dictatorships on the other side of the globe (who only have one thing to sell). The logic of Brexit ! Might be a long 5 years......

You keep making economic arguments to people whose motives were not primarily economic. The leave vote was an expression of existential dread and increasing alienation (from the national government and EU institutions) and more money doesn't cure those.

Had the UK government done a better job of addressing those issues leave wouldn't have had a chance.