How will BREXIT affect the immigrants in UK and Poland.

Well, the British finally pulled the trigger today handing their divorce papers over to Tusk.



So I'm surprised this topic wasn't resumed at all today. I suppose the carpetbaggers have been too occupied refilling their empty pints with their tears. LOL!

So, when will you lot be deported? Will the UK still be in one piece when you go back? LOL!

Anyway, as you all reflect on your time in Poland and realize it has resulted in nothing apart from tens of thousands of worthless posts on PF perhaps this is golden opportunity to move on to sunnier climes like The Philippines. And what's not for you to like over there?

The name of the country also begins with the letter P.

It is also a predominately Catholic country (however, there are no guarantees that the local population there will tolerate your hostile views towards the RCC).

English is one of its official languages so you can get away again with not bothering to learn a foreign language.

It's dirt cheap to live there too so your benefit money will go even further than it did in Poland.

Since you are all big diversity advocates you can still retain your minority status while secretly imagining you are racially and mentally superior to the local population.

But you ask? What can we do apart from teach English?

Great question. Here's the answer: drug dealing. Yes, drug dealing. It's a perfect line of work for you lot.

First off, your lefty views make you natural supporters of widespread drug consumption regardless of the legality.

Secondly, drug dealing would allow you to earn money while continuing to express your forte in undermining the values and wellbeing of your host country and this time taking it to "the next level."

And finally, if you follow the news you'll know that The Philippines has suddenly had an acute shortage of drug dealers across their entire archipelago. The job vacancies are huge and growing by the day. Go for it lads!

December 2017 is the target for the basic bones of the Withdrawal Treaty which will include treatment of British citizens living in the EU and conversely EU citizens living in Britain. October 2018 should see the final draft of the treaty for approval by all concerned. Talks regarding a trade deal may not even begin until after the two year exit procedure and the whole process of exiting may take up to five years.

Brexit was a great psychological blow for the mondialistic oligarchy in Brussels.

In retrospect maybe full membership for the UK was maybe never the best option (and the country always seemed to have one foot out the door).

Most tellingly, the pro-Stayers couldn't really come up with any emotional arguments for staying that reached many people, it was all rational economic stuff that has proven itself time and time again to be incapable of swaying voters.

If 40 or so years of membership wasn't enough to convince enough to convince a large majority that continued membership is a good idea... then maybe it was never a good idea to begin with (like dragging southern economies like Portugal and Greece into a currency tailored for large northern economies).

Bad policy based on wishful thinking (like the Euro) will usually end in tears, it's just a question of whose.

I think the problem we will see with the EU now is the reduced budget countries will have on projects. Poland been the largest benificier of EU hand-out will see the bloc having lots of in-fighting, I deem Poland would not want 1 million expats returning and would want to make some kind of deal.

For now its a cat and mouse game of who gets what, after that comes the fall out.

I honestly hope that Poles that are already in the UK will be able to stay there indefinitely. As we all know they're of lower class mostly and Poland doesn't need them back. There are Ukrainians here to do their jobs for less.

It's amazing what can be revealed about a person's intellect in only three sentences

Do you think that even if they are forced to leave then these hard working people, now skilled and experienced, with savings and ambitions and a second language are just going to go and sit outside the nearest Zabka with a few tins of Mocne and complain about life ?

No - don't worry about the impact of them returning - there are in any case 26 other countries where they can work but more likely they want to start building better lives for themselves in Poland. In that respect I can see why PiS probably don't want many of them to come back - easier to pull the wool over the eyes of the geriatric and the gullible than deal with people that want to improve the country.

Nope. Not getting it.

Even more amazing when it takes only one.


I know many Poles in the UK and believe me the wellbeing of Poland is the least of their priorities.

No to foreigners....you are the main reason poles should not come back and the laughing stock of our whole company in poland. No one has any dout that you are a poor right wing uneducated tool.

The first guidelines for the the withdrawal treaty have been issued.

"Among other elements in the eight-page document, which Mr Tusk will outline at a news conference later, is a priority to settle legal uncertainty for EU expatriates living on either side of the new EU-UK frontier.

It says rights acquired before a cut-off on the day Brexit takes effect should be retained."

The hope is that all the remaining EU states will agree to these guidelines by 29 April. The guidelines will form the basis of a mandate for chief EU negotiator Michel Barnier.

In other words all those entitled Brits that Bieganski refers to who didn't even bother to get Karte Pobytu (excuse my potential inaccurate declension) will have to go back.

Then Italexit and all the Italians who were too busy partying and wooing local women will be forced to out.

What a wonderful display of ignorance.

The first problem you have is that any Brit who did have a Karta Pobytu (I had a few myself) will not now have a valid one, as they expired after two years and haven't been issued to Brits, or any other EU citizens, since 2004. Instead, the choice is between an amusing piece of paper that confuses everybody who sees it and a 'right of permanent residence' card which EU citizens can apply for after five years in Poland. The slight catch there is that it's a right of permanent residence of an EU citizen and nobody thought what might happen if the holder stops being an EU citizen. However, given that if all Brits were to be expelled from Poland and all Poles from the UK Poland would 'gain' thousands of hardened criminals and lose thousands of taxpayers, some of whom pay a bit more than the average amount of tax, I'd say it's in Poland's interest to reach a deal on that topic.

The second thing you're overlooking is that Brexit hasn't happened yet, so any Brit who wants to has two years to apply for whatever paperwork in Poland.

@ Tobias, No, that's not how it works. As an EU citizen you cannot be expelled from an EU country because you don't have a residence card. Your personal rights override administrative requirements. You can be subject to sanctions, for example a fine but you can't be deported. Therefore under the proposed guidelines any Brits living in any EU country before 29 March 2019 would be allowed to remain in that country after Britain exits. I should add, that the only condition you need to satisfy is that you have sufficient resources to maintain yourself. And that's it. No official paperwork or permits are legally required of you. If you are unable to maintain yourself financially however, then yes, you can, in theory be hoofed out.

That's not entirely true: an EU citizen can also be removed on the grounds that one poses a serious and demonstrable threat to public safety, public order and/or public health. But once they have been residing in an EU member state for at least ten years they can only be removed on the grounds that they pose a serious and demonstrable major threat to public security.

Not overlooking it, I simply doubt that any Brit who hasn't gone through the bureaucracy already by personal choice will be unlikely to go through it over the next 2 years.

As for the Karta Pobytu comment, you'll have to excuse me on that. You seem to be more informed than the Poles who talk as if KP still exists and ergo misinformed me as a result. I thought my "piece of paper" was a KP.

Atch, thank you for the reasoned response in spite of my aggressive tone.

In two years time British citizens living in Poland will no longer be afforded the protection and freedoms that comes with being a European citizen British bullies and criminals can be deported from Poland even if they hold a permanent residency document.

Withdrawal of a permanent residence permit

A permanent residence permit may also be withdrawn, i.e. cancelled.

This takes place in the following cases:

A. if the foreigner has been convicted in Poland of a wilful offence and sentenced to at least 3 years of imprisonment,

B. it is required due to the interests of the Republic of Poland,

Item B is a especially useful catch all tool for the removal of undesirables residing in Poland.

nope.no need to be serious
Britain has been removing poles for reason such as rough sleeping.legally.i know person who was denied entry cus he spit on policeman in the past.he paid 2k fine but later was refused entry.

basically..A pole has only right to reside in the UK for first 6 months. after that , to satisfy right to reside he need to acquire so called "qualified person" status.

to be qualified person -one need to be either working,studding or be " self sufficient"( need to have private insurance,ect.)
there is no 10 years period. EU citizen to gain permanent residency must have 5 years unbreakable period of employment.or legal residence.brake between employments must not exceed one month.

I believe this is worth a warning. Mods?

More a proviso, than an out-and-out warning, NoToForeigners.

Marsupial ought to watch what he wishes for; he might get it:-)

A word to the wise!

Poles with capital P you ignorant "educated" foreigner.

One can speak about "telephone poles" and be referring to the actual objects, not to a Pole employed by the phone company.

@Lyzko
Can't say the same about "poland"(sic).

Only "Poland" is NEVER written with a lower-case "P"!

On my last trip to Poland I observed a Pole with deportation papers being escorted onto our plane, Some of the mothers were not happy when they realised they would be sharing air space with him !

It could be someone with criminal records after whom criminal warrant was issued.

bbc.co.uk/mediacentre/proginfo/2017/11/fugitives

Quite a lot of them will now, because it's the only way they'll have of making sure that they retain the possibility of staying here. But the reality is that no-one knows, and my own gut feeling is that the UK is going to announce one day that only those with permanent residency are allowed to stay, while those temporarily resident will have to leave.

Anyone with a family has very little to worry about - Schengen law provides the right of residence for family members.

they wont touch people who are employed i think..it would be disastrous for construction,manufacturing ect.
in London something like 80% construction workers are EE people.cant imagine them being kik out. whos gonna replace them ..junkies drug addicts from job centres?

Well Labour won't get back in for a VERY long time and not because of Corbyn but because it is so pro EU.

It seems to care more about EU citizens in the UK than it does those affected by the mass immigration from eastern Europe.

If the government doesn't do as the voters require then they will simply be replaced by a government that will.

I have no care for anyone from Europe, you have your own government to care for you like i do mine. If you're a British citizen because you had the chance through time spent here, then good for you, you will have rights like me andf won't be going anywhere.

The UK government will do as the people want or else.