How will BREXIT affect the immigrants in UK and Poland.

Within the EU it's a great thing. But extending it to half the globe is a recipe for a rolling disaster....

It hasn't been extended to "half the globe" yet.

One day hopefully...

How much do you hate Europe?

How many hundreds of millions of people do you want living in the UK?

The unfortunate fact is that more people want to live in Europe than Europe can support.

More people want to live in the UK than the UK can support (unless you pave over the whole thing and turn into one giant metropolitan area.

Read the post carefully. Especially the phrase


And yes, one day we will have a world without borders, something we have to work towards.


Too much marginal land for that, however the conurbations are becomeing nicely densely populated.

Rushing it won't help anyone. It's like saying someday we'll have star trek style teleporters. It doesn't help anything in the current situation.

Rushing anything is usually a mistake - much better for it to happen naturally, however we'll need to redistribute some wealth first.

And how will you do that?

I just sit back and watch with a smile...

Don't want to fess up to your plan?

World domination, of course...

First the EU, next the world.

Seriously, whether Brexit went ahead or whether it doesn't, free movement of people within Europe will be non-negotiable. This has been made clear by the Union. Either the four freedoms apply or none of them do.

The issue is the free movement into Europe by non-Europeans with very different values (and no realistic chance of supporting themselves legally).

What "free movement:? Do you mean the humanitarian crisis? That same crisis that several member states including Poland are barely involved with? Or the flood of refugees from the fighting in Ukraine?

What humanitarian crisis is going on in Sub Saharan Africa that 300,000 Africans need to be admitted to the EU?

breitbart.com/london/2016/06/29/frontex-chief-300000-migrants-headed-africa-europe

money quote:

The director of Frontex offered a grim overall evaluation of Europe's migrant crisis, summing up EU immigration policy as a "failure."
"The EU asylum policy has failed for a long time," he said. "The EU countries are not even able to distribute the 160,000 refugees proposed in 2015 by the Commission."

"But the problem is: The migrants do not want to be distributed in EU countries. They have precise target countries such as Germany, where they want to go. This complicates a fair distribution of people in Europe," he said.

In other words, you can have the free movement of people within Europe (with strong external borders or porous external borders with stronger internal borders)

It takes someone as stupid as an EU technocrat to think you can have loose external and no internal borders....


But is it a flood? most Ukrainians come to Poland to work. I now here more Russian and Ukrainian on the street than I used to but it's still pretty small.

Qaddafi is laughing his ass from grave.he could have stop em.well done idiots..and those european leaders are wondering,why brexit,why right wing and populists are winning everywhere.

Are you in Warsaw? There are a lot more than you think here.


Remember there's less of a language barrier and an established community already.


Oh dear...


All three are stoppable.

don't be a p|ssant, he said it whether you like the source or not


Much further west. but again these are mostly not refugees who need a lot of coddling. They're ready and willing to work and can fit in linguistically and culturally pretty rapidly.


The only way to stop it is with better ideas, not trying to shut down people by calling them names.

No pendulum swings one way forever, the globalist pendulum has swung about as far as the european public is comfortable with.

The Austrian election re-run will be important signpost.

Well, refugees do tend to need help. If they didn't, they wouldn't be refugees now, would they...


Or further than Mrs Grundy would like.

Anyway, there's a thread for you to discuss the humanitarian crisis in. Here, all that's important is that free movement of citizens is a non-negotiable part of modern Europe.

Correct, they would be called "economic migrants" or "opportunists" which most of what Europe has been getting are.

What would a world without opportunists be like? PiSlandia probably, in which nothing ever happens.

The biggest mistake and shame for Europe is that we did not help people who really needed it. Vulnerable Syrians who lost everything were lost, stomped in crowd of arrogant oportunists men from Pakistan, Somalia....

Ha, ha-Jon you live in some communistic utopia world - no border, re-distribution of wealth....- It would be great idea lazy leeches living on people who work hard.

" opportunists be like? PiSlandia probably"

I thought we were beyond using names to incite and cause trouble, especially when on a topic thread.

Yes. And it would have been easy enough to sort out the Syrians from the rest. Set up processing stations in camps in Turkey and Jordan and Lebanon so the non-Syrians could be turned away there. But for some reason, Merkel decided that Germany needs a bunch of Moroccans and Bangladeshis pretending to be Syrians because......? Providing shelter to unemployable young men who won't integrate into any European country is the highest distillation of European values?

Especially Christians and atheists in Syria who would be grateful and work rather then blame white man and demand that Europeans submit to their cultural enrichment.


He's a loon, only reason there is an insurgent right is because of people like him, surprised he does not know that.

Polish man suffers heart attack after racial abuse.

bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leeds-36683924

Where will this end, murder ?

I just had a reason to approach a street cleaner and ask him a question! The poor guy looked really nervous! I guess he was Polish.

You said that about Brexit


A true believer


Agreed. Some people will never learn.


Jon get yourself out to the not so nice parts of the UK and see how its working. Its boiling over.


And money will grow on trees.


You seem to think the EU holds the trump card. It doesn't. It's doomed in exactly the same way as the Russian Communist empire fell. After all it is modelled on it and has many communists at the helm. Its sounds very much like you want thought control. Reminds me of a book I once read ...

The UK will have its freedom, Nichola will quieten down once she realises the futility of abandoning the union and the Scot's will find someone to represent them as an important member of the union. People will have hope once again and most importantly we will have our borders. Destiny is ours and from this will emerge a great leader like Margaret Thatcher.

Another remain city

bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36616673

Funny how the British are demonstrating against democracy, the same thing has been happening in Poland, Just goes to show there are many who would prefer dictatorship to guide their destiny.

No it isn't. Far from it. Voting idiotically for 'Brexit' however isn't the same as bringing in socialism.


Well actually...

I don't think they are demonstrating against democracy Dolno, I think more than anything people are demonstrating because the leave campaign was based on lies pure and simple. Within hours of Brexit, Farage was reneging on claims that the NHS would get 350 million, and MEP Daniel Hannan was saying that free movement of people would continue in order for the UK to trade with Europe.

Immigration was the key issue the leave campaign were using in their arsenal, and I think many leavers are now as angry as those who voted to remain, because they have been duped. If I had voted leave, I would be fuming.

If the leave campaign had been completely honest and said upfront that leaving the EU would most likely lead to little to no change in immigration, and that the money UK would be saving from EU fees would not be going into the NHS, do you really believe that the leave campaign would have won? I for one, don't.

They also glossed over the fact that the majority of EU immigrants to the UK come from outside the EU. Funny how they didn't really want to mention that little fact.

I was reading news coverage of today's London demonstrations, and saw many placards being held with slogans such as " No goodbyes based on lies ". This is why people are demonstrating.

Then of course, you have loudmouth Boris doing a runner like a rat deserting the sinking ship, and a frankly very scary bunch of muppets lined up to become the new PM.