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Belarus - grateful ally of Poland...?


Ziglich 1 | -
18 Feb 2010 #1
Grateful ally of Poland...
Only yesterday I returned from vacation (I was in Turkey) to learn that Poles should avoid visiting Belarus because Belarusian police have already arrested many decent Poles there www . rferl . org / content / EUs_Ashton_Condemns_Crackdown_On_Polish_Activists_In_Belarus/1960 173 . html. ****! My younger brother lives there!!

You know, it all looks quite peculiar! Yet as far back as a week ago nothing of the king was going to happen: My native country Poland became a strong advocate of Belarus in relations with the EU after we had invited Alexander Lukashenko in the Eastern Partnership a year ago. But what do we have now? hm...

Well, well, well...I think Mr. Lukashenko (president of Belarus) has a correct nickname – the last dictator of Europe. Only a dictator could THIS WAY thank his allies, when he thought he didn't need us any more!

So I think our government is rightly threatening to isolate Belarus so that to teach Lukashenko a lesson www . ft . com / cms / s/0/1449d860-1a55-11df-a2e3-00144feab49a . html. Or you can see any other options?
vetala - | 382
18 Feb 2010 #2
There are two organizations of Polish activists in Belarus. One is legal and the other is not yet it was openly working for years and was openly supported by the Polish government all this time. It's not surprising that its memebrs were arrested. The only thing that surprises me is that Belarussians let us spit in their faces for such a long time before finally reacting.
jwojcie 2 | 763
18 Feb 2010 #3
Vetala, the problem is, that Belarus gov. didn't recognized legally elected leader of Polish organization in 2005, and after that Belarus gov. helped in dividing this organization.
jeden - | 226
18 Feb 2010 #4
i think that EU should ban entry for Belarus political worthies. This kind of sanction doesnt`t strike on society
vetala - | 382
18 Feb 2010 #5
jwojcie

Yes, that it certainly a problem. However, it could be resolved in a better, more diplomatic way of dealing than by openly ignoring and disobeying the authorities and getting Poland involved. The Belarussian government is simply trying to keep face, to show that they are the ones who have the last word in their own country, not Poland.
jwojcie 2 | 763
18 Feb 2010 #6
No, they not only trying to keep face. From the begining main goal of Belarusan gov. is to seize independent organization by force. Ok, let say that we don't care about values, what Poland would gain if we keep a blind eye on this and support dictatorship? Almost nothing, Belarus has no meaningful resources and is not important trade partner either. Beside we would lose face in democratic countries club. So, from pragmatic point of view Poland has two choices:

1. lose face and gain almost nothing
2. or support illegaly overthrown leadership of friendly polonia organization and safe face internally and externally

I think point 2 is obvious. Belarus is not China, there is no need to have second thoughts about what Lukaszenka can or can't. He is just to small player.
joepilsudski 26 | 1,389
19 Feb 2010 #7
Poland should have good relations with Belarus because they are Slavic cousins.

Polish activists arrested?...Maybe 'Polish agitators' or 'Polish activists paid by Khazar agitators'.

No interference in internal affairs of another country.

See, same problem in Ukraine, Khazar agitation, 'coloured revolutions'.
bullfrog 6 | 603
19 Feb 2010 #8
Poland should have good relations with Belarus because they are Slavic cousins.

That's ridiculous. You don't have good relations with someone just because they happen to be your cousins.. As the saying goes, you chose your friends not your family..
Seanus 15 | 19,706
19 Feb 2010 #9
Especially when you have misgivings about them and feel superior to them. Besides, Russia has robbed Belarus of much of its identity. I had a second Belarussian student recently and he confirmed what the first told me early last year. He couldn't even give me some lines from his own language as he was forced to learn Russian.
jwojcie 2 | 763
20 Feb 2010 #10
Polish activists arrested?...Maybe 'Polish agitators' or 'Polish activists paid by Khazar agitators'.

No, not polish agitators. Polish minority living there for hundreds of years. They had a dozen or so "Polish houses" partially financed by Poland few years ago. Nothing fancy, that much we owe them. Anyway it was seized by Belarusian authorities by seizing Polish organization first. It has nothing to do with words like imperialism, revisionism, etc. It is simple issue of minority rights which are abused by dictatorship authorities. Belarusan opposition as far as I know defends Polish minority.
southern 75 | 7,096
10 Jun 2011 #11
Merged: What is your opinion about Belarus?

A slavic heaven or another dictatorship?
Havok 10 | 912
10 Jun 2011 #12
Don't give a crap about Belarus.
wildrover 98 | 4,451
10 Jun 2011 #13
I don,t know about the politics , but the people are warm and friendly enough , the roads terrible and some of the towns a bit depressing....

I have been there twice , drove there from UK.... its a poor country , most of their money goes on sorting out the mess that Chernobyl caused....

I have friends there , and would love to go back again some day....
Marek11111 9 | 816
10 Jun 2011 #14
I take it is like everywhere you have good people and corrupt government. Throughout history the people were abuse so they might have some hate toward neighboring countries and the evil Germans.
wildrover 98 | 4,451
11 Jun 2011 #15
Yeah..its a bit sad really..

Belarus suffered a lot under the Germans , and was not treated very well by the Russians either....

Rather a shame that after finally freeing themselves from Soviet domination they end up with a leader that wants to keep running things the way the Soviets did....
Crow 146 | 9,153
25 Feb 2016 #16
Merged: EU formally lifts Belarus sanctions - Shame that Poland didn`t do it already

rt.com/news/line/

The EU on Thursday formally lifted nearly all of its sanctions against Belarus, including President Aleksandr Lukashenko, AFP reported.

Why Poland even needed to follow these sanctions? and, if followed why then at least Poland wasn`t first to cancel sanctions against Belarus?


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