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Attack on Poland's judicial independence


Braveheart16 17 | 122
30 Jan 2016 #31
Gumishu....Poland is not a country like that yet and there has to be some overseeing of the work of prosecutors

This is a fair point and yes a slightly different approach is probably necessary for Poland. I think that one question I would ask is who are the prosecutors accountable to? In the UK there is clear line management which oversees and regulates the work of prosecutors and requires all prosecutors to account for their decisions based on the code for crown prosecutors. In short, prosecutors need to be able to justify their decisions to line management and to be prepared to answer questions. Regular feedback from line managers on prosecutors personal performance also helps to maintain discipline and a balanced approach to legal decisions.
gumishu 11 | 5,017
30 Jan 2016 #32
I think that one question I would ask is who are the prosecutors accountable to?

I am not an expert on the subject - but as far as I know there used to be a hierarchical model of prosecution in place in Poland before the PO-PSL goverment made them 'independent' (well ask yourself who is drafting budgets for prosecution to find out if they are really independent while not elected) - so there was a hierarchy of prosecutors going up to the Prosecutor General who happened to be the minister of Justice at the same time - Poland had problems with free media before (as recently as the last year Polish TVs together with the court authorities coordinated efforts not to show the testimony of the previous president Bronisław Komorowski before court in case of a journalist Wojciech Sumliński) but it has eventually changed considerably thanks to the internet
pawian 161 | 9,971
27 Jun 2019 #33
Fortunately, the EU is intent on defending the independence of Polish judicial system. They just announced that PiS government broke the law. Good. PiS won`t be able to turn courts into their PiSlamist playgrounds where sentences are issued not by the judge but a party apparatchik from behind the scenes, like in communist times. .

An adviser to Europe's top court said on Thursday that a supreme court reform in Poland could undermine the independence of its judiciary, adding pressure on the Warsaw government to row back on changes that EU authorities say threaten the rule of law. (tvn24.pl)

tvn24.pl/tvn24-news-in-english,157,m/polish-judicial-independence-doubtful-says-ecj-advocate-general,948167.html
Miloslaw 6 | 2,558
27 Jun 2019 #34
the EU is intent on defending the independence of Polish judicial system

No it's not, it is intent on controlling it you old fool!!

The EU only does what benefits the "Golden Plan" of a United States of Europe.
It's only interest is in Poland being a controlled state within that USE.
Ask the peoole of Alsace in France what they think of becoming part of "Le Grand Est" and you will understand more about what is actualy happening.
pawian 161 | 9,971
27 Jun 2019 #35
Milo, relax, there is no need to be so aggressive. Remember, hundreds of users read you and see.
Miloslaw 6 | 2,558
27 Jun 2019 #36
Milo, relax, there is no need to be so aggressive

I think you need to relax.
There was nothing aggressive in my post at all.
If you saw that post as aggressive then you need to seriously chill out.
I don't know what your poison is, probably gardening........others may choose sex, an alcoholic drink or a spliff.
The choice is yours.
But you seem to be,as we Brits say, a tight arsed old git.Up his own arse.
You seem to have a very large lack of comprehension of British humour too...... you take posts from people from The British Isles too seriously.
pawian 161 | 9,971
27 Jun 2019 #37
There was nothing aggressive in my post at all.

Oh, do you want to say it was a cry of despair?

No it's not, it is intent on controlling it you old fool!!

Rich Mazur 4 | 3,711
28 Jun 2019 #38
No it's not, it is intent on controlling it you old fool!!

Bingo. And, if Poland is not careful, Poland will get the kind of judicial perversion we have here in "America". I mean our kind of federal judges and the Supreme morons who think they run the country.
Ironside 48 | 9,888
28 Jun 2019 #39
he EU is intent on defending the independence of Polish judicial system.

Sure it does. Soviets like you should be put in a loony house or at least banned from voting, for life.
pawian 161 | 9,971
28 Jun 2019 #40
The opinion of such paid Kremlin trolls like you is useless, of course. It is obvious that you have to say so because your and your bosses` aim is to take Poland out of the EU and independent judiciary certainly is an obstacle.
dolnoslask 5 | 2,560
28 Jun 2019 #41
There are too many old commies in influential positions here in Poland , time to clear the swamp.
Tacitus 2 | 889
28 Jun 2019 #42
Don't worry Polish people, the EU has your back.

Europe learned from its mistakes in Hungary. It's protecting the law in Poland

theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/jun/28/europe-mistakes-hungary-law-poland-ruling-retirement-polish-judges
Rich Mazur 4 | 3,711
28 Jun 2019 #43
@Tacitus
That is what the wolf said to Grandma.
Tacitus 2 | 889
29 Jun 2019 #44
In this case it would be the lumberjack saying it before cutting her out of the wolfs belly.
Crow 137 | 7,754
29 Jun 2019 #45
How? Western Europe isn`t strongest force in the world. Not even united force to begin with.

And I think its good. Because that belly you speak of from where Poland needs to be cut out is the belly of the western Europe.

Don`t worry Poles. Surgical operation under way.
Ironside 48 | 9,888
29 Jun 2019 #46
Don't worry Polish people, the EU has your back.

That sound like a threat. lol. Seriously thought, what Polish people only some low life Soviets in Poland are cheering the EU. all the rest or at the very least an overwhelming majority of them whish that the EU would just butt off from the internal Polish affairs. Not to mention there is no tolerance for the LGBT revolution promoted and founded by the EU.

Europe learned from

On the contrary,They haven't learned anything at all. I say it is a good thing. They are the authors of their own undoing.
pawian 161 | 9,971
29 Jun 2019 #47
very least an overwhelming majority of them whish that the EU would just butt off from the internal Polish affairs.

Until the moment the funds are halted. I can see how farmers deprived of their subsidies are happy and hail PiS government: Glory to PiS. We have no subsidies but at least we showed those EU bastards a finger.

Are you crazy?

On the contrary,They haven't learned anything at all. I

Of course they did, namely they once ignored Orban`s tricks which changed Hungary into an authoritiarian country. Now they aren`t going to let it happen in Poland. Thank you , EU. God bless you. :):)
Ironside 48 | 9,888
29 Jun 2019 #48
farmers

Farmers are not that kin on those subsidies anyway, they would rather produce what they want and sell it on a free market, yet that would force French and German farmers to compete with them oh no, we cannot have it. Stop shifting the goalposts, they just pay some monies to keep a competitors at bay. They Just sell it like it is a good thing, even beneficial. What a BS.

Are you stupid?
pawian 161 | 9,971
29 Jun 2019 #49
Farmers are not that kin on those subsidies anyway,

Oh, I see, that`s what you were told by local farmers in that Norwegian village where you reside. Let me remind you I was talking about Polish farmers.
Ironside 48 | 9,888
29 Jun 2019 #50
Are you stupid?

you were told by local farmers in that Norwegian village

Thanks for confirmation, not that I need it. some people might. lol


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